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Cloudz -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/25/2006 5:54:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face.. “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!” I love you Bear

MHOO314 -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/25/2006 5:55:56 PM)
I know in My heart, the boy would never leave My side--no matter how hard--

kyraofMists -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/25/2006 6:14:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie i often hear sentiment expressed from a submissive or slave who has become ill... Not with the flu, but a medical condition - cancer, diabetes, MS, etc. The sentiment i hear is that she feels she should ask for release because she does not want to burden her Master. i was speaking with a friend about this today and told her i think we as slaves want to give the very best of ourselves to our Masters, and when we feel incapacitated somehow, or if the way we are able to serve changes and becomes "limited," we feel we can not deliver and therefore can not please them. So, in our limited view (i say limited because often it is Master who sees the bigger picture while i see more narrowly), we think that removing ourselves from them is somehow better. If you judge your value by what you do and your usefulness, then it is very easy to fall into this line of thinking. If you judge your value by who you are, then you are less likely to have these types of thoughts because your value to your dominant wont change just because you are no longer capable of doing the things that you once did. Knight's kyra

phoenix1 -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/25/2006 6:22:50 PM)
A true Master would not want to lose his slave simply because she became ill. This one knew a slave who was very ill... and wow... watching how she served her Master... impressed this one so much... actually, it blew my mind... 3 slaves all put together could not have served as well as my chain sister... this slave is grateful that she was able to observe and learn from her, on how to be an exceptional slave, with or without an illness... this one can only hope that she can be as good a slave to her Master.

IronBear -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/25/2006 9:20:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cloudz quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face.. “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!” I love you Bear Pity we can't post pics but perhaps not.. I'm blushing in a big way.... “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!”

Rayne58 -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/25/2006 10:17:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: ORIGINAL: Rayne58 The other side of the coin, when it is the Dom who is ill - Master has said several times that He would not blame me if I decided to leave. I knew of His health problems before we got together. It didn't faze me then and it doesn't faze me now, even though things have gotten worse during the two years we have been together. ownedgirlie: quote: At the same token, i always hear the Masters' side is, "Why would I want to release you simply because you are ill?" I say, "Why would I want to leave you simply because you are ill?" We've talked before Rayne and I know your Master if a lucky man to have you, and I'm thinking you are lucky to have him too lass.. Rayne lass, you rock! Thank you Sir for your compliment. We take each day as it comes, some days are better than others, but still there is much happiness and love in our home [:)] Whenever He mentions anything about me leaving I say "Too late, you are stuck with your bratty sub!"[;)][:D]

dincubus -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 1:13:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie i often hear sentiment expressed from a submissive or slave who has become ill... Not with the flu, but a medical condition - cancer, diabetes, MS, etc. The sentiment i hear is that she feels she should ask for release because she does not want to burden her Master. i was speaking with a friend about this today and told her i think we as slaves want to give the very best of ourselves to our Masters, and when we feel incapacitated somehow, or if the way we are able to serve changes and becomes "limited," we feel we can not deliver and therefore can not please them. So, in our limited view (i say limited because often it is Master who sees the bigger picture while i see more narrowly), we think that removing ourselves from them is somehow better. At the same token, i always hear the Masters' side is, "Why would I want to release you simply because you are ill?" i think as submissives and slaves, we forget that what often brings a Master real pleasure is our mindset; our submissive heart. Thoughts? personally i would want to take care of my submissive or slave as best i could if they were ill, because in the sense that i would own my slave or submissive, i would feel it is my responsibility to make sure they are as healthy as can be

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 2:00:32 AM)
i saw a post to the effecct of what slavejali said. its not the first time i have seen that happen i have heard of alot of stories of that happening so what i wonder i hear of this in the nilla world to men that cheat on women when they are pregos it takes a strong person to stand by someone when they are sick do you have what it takes or all of you just type and talk i guess thats mirror you will have to face when you come to that bridge lifes best answer is when its going on infront of you yep yep tis true

IronBear -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 2:39:18 AM)
Speaking for my self only, I have a track record both in combat and in civilian life which proves my statement to be true..... I also have the scars to go with it.. However LATEXBABY, let's see your views on what you would do. I see you post a lot of sniping remarks but I've yet to see you post something positive..... In other words to put it in true Aussie bluntness, put your money where your mouth is.! “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!”

imtempting -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 3:29:50 AM)
Personnaly if my mistress wants to release me because I suddenly became sick then id think that person is an idiot.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 4:37:00 AM)
quote: I know a submissive who got hit by a car and went into a coma, while she was in hospital her Master split with her...that just smells of "why was she ever with him in the first place?" (This was a long term relationship btw) First, not only would both of us be there for her, but (a) We would be fighting for her wishes in such a situation (living will and all) and (b) We'd be hunting down the son of a bitch that did it to her in the first place. And we both have confidence that she would do the same for us. When we say "lifetime committment" that's exactly what we mean. I have made sure that my family knows about wiitwd and the importance we place on a collar. In our home a collar is more important then our wedding vows. quote: However LATEXBABY, let's see your views on what you would do. I see you post a lot of sniping remarks but I've yet to see you post something positive..... In other words to put it in true Aussie bluntness, put your money where your mouth is.! I concur.... Lets see it? Yes, I've lived it... I've looked in that mirror, I'm pretty sure everyone in our "family" here has too... how 'bout you? Jewel

Cloudz -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 4:51:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: ORIGINAL: Cloudz quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face.. “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!” I love you Bear Pity we can't post pics but perhaps not.. I'm blushing in a big way.... “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!” Bear, My admiration for you could not grow deeper. With the ability to see live responses...well, who knows...I may go completely over the edge and petition to join your house,,,and THEN you would have a Domme, non Gor educated, nightmare on your hands <chuckling>. So, for now you have my love, admiration, and deep respect for your views and beliefs,,,but if I ever decided to switch <wicked grin> it would have to be for you dear, Bear.

ScooterTrash -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 5:02:27 AM)
Not just jumping on the Ironbear wagon here, but he did say it so eloquently; the true meaning of that locked collar. I can't add too much to that! We aren't talking about something you can dismiss as a broken unit here, we are talking about a person we have made a commitment to. As ShiftedJewel said, "When we say lifetime commitment that's exactly what we mean". I guess "for better or worse" applies to more than just wedding vows...ya think. For anyone questioning if this sentiment is just rhetoric to make everyone sound good...I guess they just don't understand, I sincerely have to believe this feeling is universal among dedicated Dominants, at least I would hope so. Any Dominant who would just kick their sub/slave to the curb if they became ill, is much less than a human being in my book.

LadiesBladewing -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 5:48:34 AM)
I've -been- the servant struggling with this. In my first year with the House, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis after an exacerbation that left me unable to see, walk or talk. Even when most of those things healed and I went into remission, there were enough residual issues that I wasn't as strong as when I started out. I -definitely- wasn't sure I was "enough servant" for my Owners... They, however, were extraordinary in both dealing with my challenges -and- setting tasks for me that allowed me to keep my dignity through the process, and I will never forget that of them, no matter what else may happen, because it was the most precious healing gift they could have given me. These days, we often work with those who wish to serve but who are challenged by emotional, spiritual, or physical challenges. I believe that these are integral to the person, and that service, when offered willingly and with grace, can -always- be adapted to suit the capacity of the servant. There are so many ways to serve that anyone who truly wishes to do so, no matter the state of the body he or she is in, can serve. As a matriarch, I would never discard the challenge of guiding service to nurture the well-being of a servant who might be struggling with some physical, mental or spiritual incapacity. Oh -- and miracles -do- happen... so I refuse to discount the possibility of one for a servant of ours, and will do what is necessary to keep that servant in a mindframe to accept whatever miracle is prepared for hir. smiles If the miracle is passage from this manifestation of life, there will be no question that he or she will pass from the shelter of our arms, not from a cold pallet somewhere. Lady Zephyr

LadiesBladewing -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 5:54:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face.. If I may return an earlier compliment that you gave me, IronBear, I see so much of our House's beliefs in the things you speak of and the way you speak them that we must be complementary spirits, balancing across the planet. smiles It is such a joy to have you here, and know that you have a medium to share your wisdoms! Thank you, Lady Zephyr

IronBear -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 7:36:04 AM)
The feeling is mutual M'Lady, I have felt this for some time now and it is such a feeling of peace..

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 8:23:59 AM)
I don't think release is necessarily merited, unless it works for those in the relationship. Perhaps release will allow the slave/master to form a new dynamic under the restrictions based on health. I would definitely find it acceptable and good for the master to find a new slave however. If done well, it can ease everyones burdens, give more support, and allow the initial mater/slave to enjoy what they can together.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 8:27:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK My thoughts are of sadness and a bit of pity for ANYONE who thinks so little of themselves that they feel their worth is lowered if they are unlucky enough to be stricken with a serious illness. IronBear, RavenMuse and Mistress Hathor have it right and I admire them for it. cello I think it's a natural reaction. As people, who are ARE is in great deal tied to what we can DO. If you are a concert pianist and suddenly lose the ability to use your hands- it would only be natural to feel very depressed, very lacking in worth, very lacking in love for much of anything. This huge part of who you are has suddenly been stripped away. I know I would feel like I had lost a part of myself, like I was suddenly not as much of myself if I were suddenly unable to do something I took a lot of worth and pride in for myself. That doesn't mean you run away, or reinforce that idea by ending the relationship. Or that you become released because you can no longer act in a slave capacity that your master had initially intended.

Veryleggyredhead -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 9:12:24 AM)
You are so right about this, and ty for asking such a thought provoking query quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: ORIGINAL: Rayne58 The other side of the coin, when it is the Dom who is ill - Master has said several times that He would not blame me if I decided to leave. I knew of His health problems before we got together. It didn't faze me then and it doesn't faze me now, even though things have gotten worse during the two years we have been together. ownedgirlie: quote: At the same token, i always hear the Masters' side is, "Why would I want to release you simply because you are ill?" I say, "Why would I want to leave you simply because you are ill?" We've talked before Rayne and I know your Master if a lucky man to have you, and I'm thinking you are lucky to have him too lass.. Rayne lass, you rock!

Sunshine119 -> RE: when a slave becomes ill (2/26/2006 9:13:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face.. “You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!” Iron Bear, I wanted to cry when I read this! This is the hope and dream of all of us who choose to serve. As we get older, we realize that we do not do it as well as when we were young, but our hearts are bound more tightly to the one we serve. There are those of us who wonder what will happen to us when we are drawing those dying breaths. My dominant and I have often joked about needing to go at the same time because we couldn't bear the thought of being here without the other. Reading this topic has given me a lot of joy knowing there are many dominants that think the same way, many dominants who love their submissives as much as their submissives love them. Once again, we return to the same topic of Dominants loving submissives. For that IS what it is all about!

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