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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 9:42:04 AM   
SweetDommes


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Status: offline 		We had a situation about the time that we were moving. I know it seems trivial, but rob had gall stones. He had to have them removed, and they missed one that was stuck in the bile duct. When they went in to take out the one that was stuck, they couldn't get it - and somehow, they nicked a blood vessel and didn't get the bleeding stopped. He almost bled to death that evening - he lost about 1/2 of his blood volume. This happened during July - he's just now getting back to a normal level of activity, and still sometimes has to stop and rest when he didn't used to have to. We have never once talked about letting him go, releasing him, or anything ... he just fussed that he wasn't very helpful/useful while we were trying to get moved into the new house.

In the reverse situation, Holly and I both have medical conditions that are fairly serious, similar to what Rayne and her Master have to deal with (btw, hi Rayne ... haven't seen you in forever *hugs* hope you and He are doing ok). We made sure that our boys knew this before becoming involved with us, although Holly has recently been diagnosed with a new condition. Never has there been any question of what was going to happen - we take care of the boys, they take care of us.

Two of the four of us are likely to develop diabetes ... should that happen, the other two will take care of us (as I'm one of them likely to develop it). Rob has high blood pressure - we have adjusted our diets and are trying to adjust our activity levels to keep him healthier. Holly may end up crippled to the point of having to be in a wheelchair if she's going to have to do much walking - we'll deal with that if it happens. The corporal has already been injured by an inmate, and it could have been much worse (broken ribs ... could have been a broken back) - should he become crippled, we'll make the changes needed.

Like with Bear, who said it beautifully, our boys are our property, and we won't take any attacks on them laying down. We will fight for our boys, we will take care of our boys. If the botched surgery had killed rob, we would have both been there, holding his hands, and making sure that he knew that we loved him totally and completely.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 10:13:26 AM   
ScorpGirl444


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Status: offline 		This is long and I apologize.

The first thing I thought when I started reading this thread was: If you've made the commitment to protect and nurture your submissive, why would you just up and leave or dismiss the submissive when a challenge arose? And, who isn't a challenge every once in awhile? If you don't leave or dismiss the submissive when the challenge is not health related, why would you when it is?

Then, I thought of my own situation. I thought about how my illness affects not only my D/s relationship but also my "duty" as a wife.

I've mentioned my illness in a different thread but for those that don't know, I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, PCOS. Although this isn't an illness that I'm going to die from, nor is it something that is as serious as other illnesses, it is still something that we have to deal with on a daily basis. It's something that affects me not only physically but also mentally as well. It's something that may cause endometrial hyperplasia or cancer.

I'm 26 years old. My husband/Dom is also 26 years old (well, he will be in 6 days ).
At this stage in my life I should be thinking about how I can blend serving with having kids. Besides having had pressure on both sides of the family as to when we were going to start trying, it's something that should be a natural thing to do at this point in my life.
Unfortunately, with all the medicines I was taking, with all of the bloodwork that has been done on me and with my reproductive endocrinologist's help, there is no way I'm going to be able to conceive.
When I finally came to terms with that, it hit me pretty hard. All I've ever wanted in life was to have kids. I wanted 4 boys but I would deal with girls if I had them too.
I even started picking out names for them.
All at once I had to stop thinking about having kids and what their names would be and how happy I was going to be. It wasn't going to happen for me, not naturally.

This doesn't sound like it would affect my ability to serve. I didn't want it to, I wasn't going to let it. It did, however, affect my marriage. I went to my husband one day, crying, and told him that I would understand if he wanted to leave me. He didn't understand what I was talking about which forced me to have to say the words. I said, I can't give you children. I can't do what a wife is supposed to do.
(I know what you're thinking...wives don't HAVE to have kids. We wanted them so in my situation it was what I'm supposed to be able to do)
It came as a shock to me that he thought I was crazy. He wanted to know why I thought he would want to leave.
All I could keep saying through my tears was that I wasn't able to have kids...

I now know that he's not going to leave me because of this but we do still have to deal with this illness everyday.
If I'm making lunch or dinner or anything, I always make sure he gets his food first. I make sure he's set up with food and drink and whatever else he could need, then I take care of myself.
There are times when I can't do that. If we've been out for awhile or it's just been awhile since we last ate there is a chance that my blood sugar will drop. It's not a nice drop, it drops so suddenly I feel it everywhere and sometimes it makes me not able to lift my arms. I'm not diabetic but it does screw with my insulin.
Usually I make sure I'm ok and every few hours I'll make sure I've had at least a little something so that doesn't happen. There are times, however, when that's not possible. It's those times that he has to take care of me. I'm stubborn. I can't stand when he has to help me. I'm always like..no, that's my job. He has to almost sit me down on the couch and tell me not to move and that he will take care of things.
I also still have days when all I want to do is cry. I want to be able to adopt but the process is so expensive that I don't know if that's going to be a feasible option for us. I am reminded every month (girly reasons) that this is the hand I was dealt. Every month I get pains inside as an egg tries so desperately to leave my ovaries but gets caught and just sticks to it. I can't tell you the sharp pains that I've dealt with when that happens.
Every month I'm reminded that I can't give him something that is so simple to others, something that crack addicts and teens seem to be able to do so well.
It makes me feel so completely unworthy of being female.

He's never going to leave my side because of it and I have at least that to comfort me.

~Scorp~

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 10:21:57 AM   
sultryvoice


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Status: offline 		IronBear, you moved me again..To the others, you have done well..

I am not a well submissive. Someone who takes me in will get someone who is bipolar, has had cancer twice and lived, fibromyalgia and watching a tumor on the left lung to see what it does. I am not complaining as I am stuck with these things but I hope my service will be appreciated and wanted. I might have to find alternative ways of doing things but it will not cloud my service to the person I will eventually find to serve..Heck, at my age, there is bound to be a few difficulties! I am a happy person and glad to be here..

Respectfully,
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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 11:07:27 AM   
KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
i often hear sentiment expressed from a submissive or slave who has become ill... Not with the flu, but a medical condition - cancer, diabetes, MS, etc. The sentiment i hear is that she feels she should ask for release because she does not want to burden her Master. i was speaking with a friend about this today and told her i think we as slaves want to give the very best of ourselves to our Masters, and when we feel incapacitated somehow, or if the way we are able to serve changes and becomes "limited," we feel we can not deliver and therefore can not please them. So, in our limited view (i say limited because often it is Master who sees the bigger picture while i see more narrowly), we think that removing ourselves from them is somehow better.

At the same token, i always hear the Masters' side is, "Why would I want to release you simply because you are ill?"

i think as submissives and slaves, we forget that what often brings a Master real pleasure is our mindset; our submissive heart.

Thoughts?


One of my foremost goals in my relationships is to embed into my girls thoughts and feelings that they are not valued and desired for their usefulness. That my pleasure of having them in my life is not do to what they do for me, directly or indirectly. Usefulness will at the end of ones life be a diminishing value. None of us can or will be as useful in our old age as we were in our youth. I am of the opinion that we are just setting ourself up for failure when our identify comes from our usefulness.

My girls value comes not from there usefulness, but from their inherent value as a feeling and thinking human being who is motivated to become vulnerable to me! The sharing of who they are in all aspects provides me with that which gives me pleasure. As been said before, no behavior is inherently submissive or dominant! However, the intrinsic motivations of oneself can be inherently submissive or dominant. My girls instrinsic submissive motivations are constantly demonstrated by their behaviors that open and share themself with me. This is what I value, their "Instrinsic submissive motivations"!

Sickness and illness can limit ones ability to action on the motivations that are within. But, only in the rarest situations does it actually change the nature of the person! My girls will be with me until their drive to submit is gone! Which I see as being when they take their last breath!

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 11:10:11 AM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I don't think release is necessarily merited, unless it works for those in the relationship. Perhaps release will allow the slave/master to form a new dynamic under the restrictions based on health.

I would definitely find it acceptable and good for the master to find a new slave however. If done well, it can ease everyones burdens, give more support, and allow the initial mater/slave to enjoy what they can together.


LA, I read this a few times and turned it every which way but lose and then turned it inside out. Yep I can live with this view. Y'see both Neets and I have disabilities which can affect our daily life and were either one of us to deteriate, having a live in slave would help with looking after the other one. This just makes sence.


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK
My thoughts are of sadness and a bit of pity for ANYONE who thinks so little of themselves that they feel their worth is lowered if they are unlucky enough to be stricken with a serious illness.

IronBear, RavenMuse and Mistress Hathor have it right and I admire them for it.

cello

I think it's a natural reaction. As people, who are ARE is in great deal tied to what we can DO.

If you are a concert pianist and suddenly lose the ability to use your hands- it would only be natural to feel very depressed, very lacking in worth, very lacking in love for much of anything. This huge part of who you are has suddenly been stripped away. I know *I* would feel like I had lost a part of myself, like I was suddenly not as much of myself if I were suddenly unable to do something I took a lot of worth and pride in for myself.

That doesn't mean you run away, or reinforce that idea by ending the relationship. Or that you become released because you can no longer act in a slave capacity that your master had initially intended.



I agree again LA.. Bloody hell we're setting some sort of record here..... Just a quick analagy. Both in martial arts and in the SCA, as I got older and slowed down for various reasons, I didn't try to beat the youngsters at their own game or even fight better. I learned to fight smarter. I've applied this to many things now so I can do things within my limitations.. Humans are a versitile species.

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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119


Iron Bear,

I wanted to cry when I read this! This is the hope and dream of all of us who choose to serve. As we get older, we realize that we do not do it as well as when we were young, but our hearts are bound more tightly to the one we serve. There are those of us who wonder what will happen to us when we are drawing those dying breaths. My dominant and I have often joked about needing to go at the same time because we couldn't bear the thought of being here without the other. Reading this topic has given me a lot of joy knowing there are many dominants that think the same way, many dominants who love their submissives as much as their submissives love them. Once again, we return to the same topic of Dominants loving submissives. For that IS what it is all about!




Perhaps it is even People loving the People they are involved with emotionally????



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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 11:13:10 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		ScorpGirl what a post...

i think what we as submissives fail to see sometimes is what our Doms/Masters see - the willingness, the longing in our hearts to serve them. Tasks are tasks,but ultimately it is our devotion that tells a much bigger story. Master has always said he doesn't care how WELL i might do something, as long as it was my best effort - as long as i don't ever stop trying.

your post expresses just that - your effort and desire to give him your best.

As for not being able to bear your own children, i watched my sister lose 5 pregnancies and learn she could not conceive again. Because of going through that with her, i understand how a woman can feel as you did/do. my heart goes out to you (i had names picked for my children too, and then my ex husband would not let me conceive). If it is any consolation at all to know this, after 9 years of her painful journey, my sister has incorporated two delightful baby boys into her family and is now experiencing with her husband all the joys (and heartaches...and headaches!) of motherhood.

i do wish you the best.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 11:14:20 AM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists



One of my foremost goals in my relationships is to embed into my girls thoughts and feelings that they are not valued and desired for their usefulness. That my pleasure of having them in my life is not do to what they do for me, directly or indirectly. Usefulness will at the end of ones life be a diminishing value. None of us can or will be as useful in our old age as we were in our youth. I am of the opinion that we are just setting ourself up for failure when our identify comes from our usefulness.

My girls value comes not from there usefulness, but from their inherent value as a feeling and thinking human being who is motivated to become vulnerable to me! The sharing of who they are in all aspects provides me with that which gives me pleasure. As been said before, no behavior is inherently submissive or dominant! However, the intrinsic motivations of oneself can be inherently submissive or dominant. My girls instrinsic submissive motivations are constantly demonstrated by their behaviors that open and share themself with me. This is what I value, their "Instrinsic submissive motivations"!

Sickness and illness can limit ones ability to action on the motivations that are within. But, only in the rarest situations does it actually change the nature of the person! My girls will be with me until their drive to submit is gone! Which I see as being when they take their last breath!


This was so well said!!!!

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 12:04:03 PM   
dave1212


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face..



I must admit IronBear that your sub/slave would be very proud to be owned by you after such a heartfelt statement !!

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/26/2006 7:41:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

I lock a collar about your neck and I accept responsibility for you untill you are released. You come down with an illness, then that illness is attacking my property. I do not sit by and allow anything to attack what is mine, nor to I surrender my property or run away from my responsibilities or duties (You'll notice I'm deliberately not refering to the love I will have for you if you are in my collar? That just adds fuel to the fire of caring for you). Worst case senario and you are terminal.. You breath your last breath knowing that you are loved and feeling my tears on your face..

“You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!”



Dear IronBear, I can say nothing better than what you have said --for it is My commitment as well. To release one because of that says I am not a Domme, I am a coward and it was all a sham---I collar, I love, I love to the death, I move mountains, I walk through the fires of hell--but I never let go.


You two have said far better than I could have.. how I feel tword my subs.

It has taken nearly a year now, but my sub is starting to realize this himself. Yet, as one who has their own list of undesirable "diseases", I totally understand a subs insecurity in getting a disease, as you never know who your real friends are until the hard times hit. Especially if you've had people leave you for less before.

When you're used to being the one serving, you sure can feel worthless if you can no longer do it.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:18:41 AM   
DragonNphoenix


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The other side of the coin, when it is the Dom who is ill - Master has said several times that He would not blame me if I decided to leave. I knew of His health problems before we got together. It didn't faze me then and it doesn't faze me now, even though things have gotten worse during the two years we have been together.

ownedgirlie:
quote:

At the same token, i always hear the Masters' side is, "Why would I want to release you simply because you are ill?"


I say, "Why would I want to leave you simply because you are ill?"



I am soooo right there with you, rayne. My Dragon has serious health issues and we deal with them on a daily basis. I could not ever imagine leaving him because of these issues. I know that it does limit the things that we are able to do... but it is okay, I love him and would never leave him.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:32:07 AM   
michaelGA


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Status: offline 		this is probably why i am having diffuculty in finding a Mistress. my disability is depression, anxiety and extreme mood swings. in essense, i'm damaged goods and nobody would want that.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:39:24 AM   
thetammyjo


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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

this is probably why i am having diffuculty in finding a Mistress. my disability is depression, anxiety and extreme mood swings. in essense, i'm damaged goods and nobody would want that.


It will make it much, much, much more difficult.

You can deal with these emotional and psychological issues though via therapy and if necessary medication.

Because I tend to be attracted to and to attract "wounded puppies," two years ago I started a new rule about potentials submissives: not in therapy, not taking medicine regular = not in my service. And given a situation those two years ago I also require proof of said self-care not just someone's word.

I, myself, am not a stranger to emotional or psychological issues (try to be free from this and have the background I have) but I have to take responsibility to take care of myself and get my own help. In my opinion neither dominant or submissive, slave or owner, should act as therapist for an individual who needs help.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:41:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK
My thoughts are of sadness and a bit of pity for ANYONE who thinks so little of themselves that they feel their worth is lowered if they are unlucky enough to be stricken with a serious illness.

IronBear, RavenMuse and Mistress Hathor have it right and I admire them for it.

cello

I think it's a natural reaction. As people, who are ARE is in great deal tied to what we can DO.

If you are a concert pianist and suddenly lose the ability to use your hands- it would only be natural to feel very depressed, very lacking in worth, very lacking in love for much of anything. This huge part of who you are has suddenly been stripped away. I know *I* would feel like I had lost a part of myself, like I was suddenly not as much of myself if I were suddenly unable to do something I took a lot of worth and pride in for myself.

That doesn't mean you run away, or reinforce that idea by ending the relationship. Or that you become released because you can no longer act in a slave capacity that your master had initially intended.



LA, you have said what i could not have put into the proper phrasing. The last part is which i speak of "That doesn't mean you run away..."
If anything it takes a stronger person to stand there, through the hard times, to be there to help out in any way possible. One would have to swallow am immense amount of pride to be willing to assist in the healing of the person.
Personally i do not see how one would be able to turn their back on the one that they had decided to collar. A person whom is ill is not, as it was siad here before, "a broken unit" that can be discarded at will.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:41:57 AM   
Lashra


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Status: offline 		I have diabetes and my sub knew this from the very start. He accepts this and even helps me with it, so why would I ever turn on him for having an illness when its beyond his control? When you care about someone those things shouldnt matter all that should matter is caring for them. When you give/accept a collar its more then just something to go around the neck, its a symbol of meeting of the minds, bodies and souls of a pair of individuals. I know some say its just shows ownership but to me it goes beyond that to something deeper.

Lashra

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:47:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

this is probably why i am having diffuculty in finding a Mistress. my disability is depression, anxiety and extreme mood swings. in essense, i'm damaged goods and nobody would want that.



Find a Mistress might be more difficult, yes.... but once you do.. you will be beyond value to her. She will do everything in her ability to help with your illness and help you to be the healthiest person that you can be.

I know this from experience... 2 years ago I tried several times to take my own life. Today I am not the same person that I was then. I am whole and Healthy. I know a large part of this has to do with finding my Dragon. He helps me on a daily basis ~ makes sure I take my meds, that I eat good and that i get enough rest.

You will find Her... She is out there.


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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 9:57:42 AM   
michaelGA


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You can deal with these emotional and psychological issues though via therapy and if necessary medication.


i have been through so much therapy that i already know what i could quote it by heart. they've tried every pill on the market and they become placebos after 3 months.

there is no cure for it, treatment has been moot. it's something i MUST deal with on a daily basis.

this may sound odd, but the only thing that keeps me going is the PC. it's the best therapy i've ever found.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 10:02:10 AM   
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this may sound odd, but the only thing that keeps me going is the PC. it's the best therapy i've ever found.


This is soooo not odd. The computer has been a wonderful tool for me also. There is a freedom with it that is undiscribable.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 12:23:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
That doesn't mean you run away, or reinforce that idea by ending the relationship. Or that you become released because you can no longer act in a slave capacity that your master had initially intended.


My thoughts exactly. In fact, I see asking for release in this situation as a very selfish thing to do. Isn't it the Master/Mistress' place to decide whether or not s/he wishes to keep a slave who is ill? I think a lot of the 'I can no longer perform my slavely duties and must be released' attitude is more about the slave's ego than anything else. Yes, it is natural to feel a sense of loss, without a doubt, and there will be a period of readjustment. Ultimately, however, if one has given all other aspects of themselves to their Master/Mistress shouldn't they also give this aspect to him as well and let them decide what to do with it if anything? No, wait. Let me correct that. If s/he already owns you then they own this as well and it's not up to the slave to try and take this from their Master/Mistress. So many seem to want to serve with grace, yet are unable to gracefully accept kindness and compassion from someone who cares about them.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 12:26:49 PM   
amayos


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Status: offline 		One of my slaves is stricken with Lupus, a disorder where one's own immune system targets and attacks the healthy cells of the body. On the outside she looks perfectly normal, but is given to occasional and sudden flares which can often stop her in her tracks. The issue you brought into the limelight about the submissive/slave in question not feeling worthy of her position was something I could relate to, as I have often seen her lament in tears over how useless she feels as a slave.

"i think as submissives and slaves, we forget that what often brings a Master real pleasure is our mindset; our submissive heart."

Once again, your words are quite accurate. It is the heart and mind that matters most. An otherwise perfectly healthy, gorgeously attractive and gracefully efficient girl who is in her deeper heart subversive and irreversibly inauthentic is what I would in turn throw away.

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RE: when a slave becomes ill - 2/27/2006 12:31:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could have sworn that your profile says you will openly avoid those with chronic illnesses. Maybe this cold is affecting my reading comprehension.

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