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Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/29/2009 10:40:43 PM   
BoyDoggy


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Status: offline 		What if a Mistress has a slave who has slaves?
Should the slave care more for his slaves or for his Mistress because he has a obligation to both?
Should he keep this from his Mistress and what are the repracushens for the slave?
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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/29/2009 10:49:51 PM   
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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/29/2009 11:16:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoyDoggy

What if a Mistress has a slave who has slaves?
Should the slave care more for his slaves or for his Mistress because he has a obligation to both?
Should he keep this from his Mistress and what are the repracushens for the slave?


i don't understand the premise of your question, since the concept of slavery is a different kind of commitment and a definite level of transparency. in theory a slave would never hide the fact that they switch and currently or possess a desire to own. it is up to the mistress to determine if she's comfortable with this arrangement. but yes, this exists and often fulfills the needs of some who lean heavily in both directions and feel incomplete when being forced to choose. i can't fathom how the current or future m/s relationship with the slave and mistress would continue if she was intentionally deceived. if these desires are in existence it is far better to be upfront about them at the onset.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 12:58:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		A relationship like this is, in some ways, a poly-household. Communication is key.

Keep everyone informed and in the loop.
Establish a power structure.
Establish a priority list. It may be a deal breaker, but it's important. You're right that the middle party has two seemingly conflicting interests. It's a tough place to be. It might be easier to fill these time constraints if all three play together.

In short, any relationship in which all included adults consent is perfectly reasonable.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 1:19:04 AM   
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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 6:14:17 AM   
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What if a Mistress has a slave who has slaves?

  Then she does.

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Should the slave care more for his slaves or for his Mistress because he has a obligation to both?



He has an obligation to make things work, and work well.  This is a poly issue, and although I have limited experience in poly, apportioning time/care/etc. to all involved is a big issue.  One good step is to not begin the second relationship until the first one is secure.
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Should he keep this from his Mistress and what are the repracushens for the slave?


This question befuddles me.  Why on earth would you want to have a Mistress in the first place if you're wanting to hide major parts of your life from her?  The idea is to give yourself over to someone else completely.

The way that you're tossing around the terms "slave" and "Mistress" make me wonder if these are play-only or online kinds of things.  Are they?

The question about repercussions makes me think you've already done this and are asking how much trouble you're in.  The short answer is that you risk being outed as a player to the community.  The long answer is that you have to ask yourself what the hell you're trying to become if you're going to try to fill multiple roles on the sly.

And do your slaves know that you submit to another, or is that hidden as well?


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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 6:19:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my house it would be, the mistress would then have multiple slaves. Whatever belongs to the slave becomes the mistress's. The slave's first priority is ALWAYS to mistress. Everything else is as she allows.

That's just how I see it.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 11:16:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read a similar situation elsewhere.   Someone was going around gathering slaves, but he was owned.  When his Mistress found out she demanded he turn all his slaves over to her.  Some of his slaves were not happy with this as they were not interested in being owned by a Mistress.  You need to be honest, open and up front with everyone you play with.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 11:35:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		whether the mistress would accept ownership and responsibility for the slave's property is a serious ymmv. when i contemplated doing this in the past the one i would own would have been mine alone.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 12:51:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like doggyboy is the switch in the middle who doesn't want to get switched.

Pass the popcorn and keep us informed. 





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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 3:45:13 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		Let's get the first part straight.  In no way would I tolerate other dynamics that I wasn't aware of.  That's a one way ticket out of My life.

Now, if a person can be upfront about wanting slaves of his own, I have no issue with that.  However, in this hierarchy, I'm on top.  That means that My authority is higher.  The other situation is secondary.  If My s type owns an s type of his own, by extension, I own that person as well.  Other people might see it differently, but that's My view.


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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/30/2009 10:51:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsStarlett

Sounds like doggyboy is the switch in the middle who doesn't want to get switched.

Pass the popcorn and keep us informed. 


That's kinda what I'm thinkin' too.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
If My s type owns an s type of his own, by extension, I own that person as well. 


And I'm also thinkin' this.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/31/2009 7:22:31 AM   
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What if a Mistress has a slave who has slaves?

Then the Mistress has more than one slave. Whatever the slave owns, so does his Mistress.
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Should the slave care more for his slaves or for his Mistress because he has a obligation to both?

For his Mistress. It is the duty of the Mistress to care for all of her slaves. Including the ones that one slave THINKS he owns.
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Should he keep this from his Mistress and what are the repracushens for the slave?

Nothing should EVER be kept from his Mistress.
Repercussions? Out you would go. Period. There would be no chance for you to explain. There would be nothing that you could explain that would excuse such a secret and a lie from your Mistress.


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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 8/31/2009 7:57:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Umm, your second post makes it seem like you have multiple personalities or something! Anyway, some slaves also have slaves. Whether or not power extends through the "chain" is something to negotiate, but sneaking around is clearly unacceptable and unethical, and you'll get dumped if your Domme finds out. I have a new female submissive playpartner, and she's open to my Master co-topping with me, but we were primarily looking for someone for me. Anyway, negotiating boundaries, including play or power exchange with other people, is very important.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 9/2/2009 1:37:03 PM   
shadowowl


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Status: offline 		I suppose it's just point of view but from my point of view slaves can not own slaves... however a sub can own slaves and serve a D since subs retain more rights. 
But that's just my point of view slave is a slave and property(along with all they own) of the Mistress/Master.   sub is submissive but not compeltly owned so may posses their own subs or slaves provided their is communication to their D  and their subs/slaves in all directions.
Of course a slave could train other slaves on behaf of their Mistress or Master.. 
But as I said just my point of view on the definitions of the words used :)



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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 9/2/2009 5:23:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoyDoggy

What if a Mistress has a slave who has slaves?
Should the slave care more for his slaves or for his Mistress because he has a obligation to both?
Should he keep this from his Mistress and what are the repracushens for the slave?


I think the word you're looking for is "repercussions", and they would (or should) be quite fatal for holding something like that back. I can only speak for myself, naturally, but I find switching to be pretty confusing.

The simple truth is you're probably not going to be a very good master or slave if you're trying to stay in both worlds with equal footing. I know people claim they can and do live this duality out joyfully, but I tend to question the depth of both "roles" being played out simultaneously. I admire someone who can split their personality (and life) up like that without shattering the test tubes.




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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 9/5/2009 6:25:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds like a slave who wants slaves of his own.

Which makes the OP/slave a switch, if he's keeping it from his Domme, eh? 

The repercussions to My slave would be the end to our relationship.

I can imagine a Domme would be very upset to find her sub/slave going online flattering other femsubs, especially if She knows some questionable history of the sub in question and suspects he might be wandering about gathering femsubs to play with.

Say, for example, he shows up with a suitcase full of floggers and other items and wants to keep them with him when he travels all the time.  She might suspect something and be very uneasy about it. 

TM

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 9/5/2009 6:39:14 AM   
MissCake


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Status: offline 		Yeah sure, slaves can have slaves, Mistresses can have Masters.  Mistresses' slave can be master to her master, and they can all each own the same play-pony.  Any possible combination of subs and doms and tops and bottoms and in-betweens and off-to-the-sides you can imagine has been done.  I don't own my slave's car.  I don't own his watch.  I don't own his slaves, because I don't own him and he doesn't own them, because this is all fricken' fantasy world we have brought to life, a game with only those rules we agree on in each arrangement, and we can play it however the heck we want.  This slave does not have to portion out his care so that one gets cared for more than another.  Care is not a limited commodity.  He can care for each of them infinitely.  But if he cares for any of them, he should be honest with all of them.  Of course you knew that though, otherwise you wouldn't have been asking.  (You would have probably been over in one of the "tribute" threads whining about some shit like that instead.)

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 9/5/2009 8:45:56 AM   
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sounds like a slave who wants slaves of his own. Which makes the OP/slave a switch, if he's keeping it from his Domme, eh? 

I agree that he's a switch, but his dishonesty and secretiveness aren't what make him one! There are plenty of us switchy types who are very up-front about our needs and desires.

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RE: Can a slave also have slaves? - 9/9/2009 9:16:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I actually have met this guy he is trying to decide wether to be a Dom or Sub from what I understand he went to both subs and doms and they started replying immediately not giving him the chance to pick his side of the paddle he's probably using this to find a solution to his problem.

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