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Book Research - 8/30/2009 6:10:54 AM   
ExpresMyDelirium


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I am currently researching a book I am writing (yes! That old chestnut) that will be a collection of approximately 30 short stories, focused mainly on D/s relationships and the emotions contained within. If you wish for confirmation that I am genuine, or wish to read what I've written so far, you can find the collection (small as it is at the moment) located at http://expressmydelirium.blogspot.com/ if you read those I hope you will realise I am not here to collect wank fodder, but I have a very genuine interest in understanding the emotional dynamics of how assorted relationships work in a very real and personal way.

Basically I am here to have some conversations with people and find some divergent views on what D/s means to people, and from that glean some stories that I can interpret into something that can hopefully end up being published sometime next year.

I am hoping to find people I can have a conversation with, who can assist with ideas and storylines that explore the limits of D/s relationship - not greatly aimed at the physical S&M side of things, I want to very largely understate the physical occurances, so while there will often be aspects of S&M I don't wish that to be the main focus.

So any hints / tips / thoughts / suggestions will be massively welcomed.

Kind regards

Michael
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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 6:24:53 AM   
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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 6:31:03 AM   
ExpresMyDelirium


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Great story!


I sense a breath of sarcasm in that! - I'm guessing you're not talking about the story in the link! (which I've been told is quite a good story, wouldn't go as far as to say great)

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 6:47:51 AM   
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I read it and I liked it.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 6:49:06 AM   
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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 6:54:12 AM   
ExpresMyDelirium


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Someone tells you great story and then assume it wasnt read? Mighty big confidence in others you have?


Then my apologies! I am a little sensitive to the thought that my approach here might be seen in a negative light! I am quite aware that without the support of the community here I am unlikely to make this book have the breadth and depth that I am hoping it will eventually contain.

With regards to your original comment then, I am greatful for your words, and flattered that you enjoyed what I wrote. With a little luck it will assist in getting other's to read what I have done and maybe giving a few thoughts on.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 7:02:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		It probably would be seen in a better light if you posted from your regular profile so that people would know that you are a lifestyle Dominant. What they object to is people coming here just to write and gleen info without actually being part of the lifestyle. What we dont like is being put under a microscope by outsiders. We do love a well written story by someone whos lived it!

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 7:14:04 AM   
ExpresMyDelirium


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

It probably would be seen in a better light if you posted from your regular profile so that people would know that you are a lifestyle Dominant. What they object to is people coming here just to write and gleen info without actually being part of the lifestyle. What we dont like is being put under a microscope by outsiders. We do love a well written story by someone whos lived it!


Actually that does make a huge amount of sense, Though even as my regular profile I've never been a big scene player, I enjoy the periphery of these things, the stories I have written so far have simply come from conversations I have had with girls I have had some good conversations with. It simply struck me a couple of days ago that writing something that took the focus away from the physicallity and instead focused on the connections of, that it might bring a few of those outsiders into the fold. If it can be shown how diverse and encompassing these things can be, if there are a broad enough spectrum of stories then some people might realise that the latent desires they have held inside them for so long are actually shared elsewhere.

and I know that has been a very powerful realisation for a lot of people first finding these things.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 7:22:48 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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Status: offline 		At the top, search button, there are thousands of threads here talking in depth about what their orientation means to them, about their ups and downs and relationship styles, that is the best way to find it.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 7:37:16 AM   
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a book I am writing


Unfortunately, maestro, you can't use anything you read here for publication, read the rulez (that is actually the case on most boards - both for reasons of privacy, and because it is unethical to make money on other people's writings. Part of it is copyright - what anybody writes is their intellectual property, copyrighted by default, and you cannot use it unless you pay for it and receive a publication release. If the writer places it in the public domain (which by default cannot be done here) you cannot use it to make money with.

Secondly, nice that you have a blog, but in order for me to believe you are writing a book I'd have to have the publisher's name, publication target, and all that. bottom line, though, what you find here, solicited or otherwise, you cannot use.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 7:54:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

At the top, search button, there are thousands of threads here talking in depth about what their orientation means to them, about their ups and downs and relationship styles, that is the best way to find it.


I do plan on using past posts etc to explore these things, but I am also hoping to have some conversations with people, because it is through conversations that we can share the emotions that don't always come across in a forum post.

Ultimately I suppose my offer is that in exchange for an (hopefully intelligent, articulate (from my side)) conversation about an idea I can offer a very well written, personal expression of a desire or interest of that person.

Is that a particularly bad exchange? we all have fantasies, and we all enjoy reading something close to our fantasies when it is well written and presented. So maybe consider this a fantasy portrait service. With an intimate and personal twist.



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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 7:59:46 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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Status: offline 		Hmm yeah not so sure on that, i kinda figure if you are writing a book they have to be your ideas, I believe you can get inspiration from people sure but if you are using others experiences verbatim then why dont they write the book.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:11:15 AM   
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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:14:00 AM   
ExpresMyDelirium


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ORIGINAL: antipode

Unfortunately, maestro, you can't use anything you read here for publication, read the rulez (that is actually the case on most boards - both for reasons of privacy, and because it is unethical to make money on other people's writings. Part of it is copyright - what anybody writes is their intellectual property, copyrighted by default, and you cannot use it unless you pay for it and receive a publication release. If the writer places it in the public domain (which by default cannot be done here) you cannot use it to make money with.


This is the exact reason I am asking for conversations with people, I have no intention of blindly searching the forums for information I can verbatum copy into something I am writing, I want to engage with people on a personal level, so there can be a dialogue started where we both end up with something interesting at the end of.

I'm sure you wouldn't suggest that a conversation that starts from somebody reading this board, and then private messaging me, then continuing to MSN would be in any breach of anybody's intellectual property. This is why I am being forthright and upfront about my motivations, that way anybody who decides to have a conversation with me understands my motivations behind that.

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ORIGINAL: antipode
Secondly, nice that you have a blog, but in order for me to believe you are writing a book I'd have to have the publisher's name, publication target, and all that. bottom line, though, what you find here, solicited or otherwise, you cannot use.


I can't give you that, because it doesn't exist, there is no publisher, there is no all that, this is currently a two day old idea, I have a few friends in the publishing industry who have previously commented on my writing style. though this is my first foray into any sort of BDSM writing. I know I am a good quality writer, and I know I have had had conversations previously concerning publishing things I have written. Maybe it will never actually get into print, maybe it will remain eternally as a blog, but I am hoping that a few people will wish to see their own storylines written up and presented as a well written story.

My primary interests here are two fold, firstly, to explore and expand my own knowledge of D/s by understanding the dynamics of relationships that I would be unlikely to engage in personally, because by understanding those I can better understand the things that I do enjoy engaging in.

Secondly, because I do genuinely believe that I have something to offer the community at large, and the world outside, by writing from an angle that is hopefully accessible to the more mainstream audience.

Do you see anything in any of those statements that goes against any TOC? or breaches anybody's intellectual property rights?

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:21:14 AM   
porcelaine


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Status: offline 		i'd have personally approached this differently. it would have made better sense if you stated that you're contemplating a book idea and include the details of what you're proposing. your blog could have been shared to provide examples of your writing. to legitimize your claim i would have developed a questionnaire with the requisite privacy assurances and invited interested parties to contact you via cm or whatever medium you preferred. creating a new profile does little to validate your story and gives the impression that you're hiding for other purposes.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:21:26 AM   
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How can someone prove . . if someone were to get a spark of an idea from a thread is a breach of copyright. That would be like someone like saying I have sex in the missionary position in the forums and then someone writing an erotic fantasy around the concept of having sex missionary style breaches copyright !

We all do things and we all get ideas from others, How it then sparks our own imagination is a personal thing and doesn't breach copyright.


(Dares someone to go ahead and block this post!)





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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:23:50 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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ORIGINAL: suffolkskip

We all do things and we all get ideas from others, How it then sparks our own imagination is a personal thing and doesn't breach copyright.


Precisely, however using someones words via personal messaging is more tricky with concepts of libel etc

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:32:03 AM   
ExpresMyDelirium


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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

Hmm yeah not so sure on that, i kinda figure if you are writing a book they have to be your ideas, I believe you can get inspiration from people sure but if you are using others experiences verbatim then why dont they write the book.


The story that the link lands on (Golden Rules) was inspired by a paragraph about spanking that I read in somebody's profile on IC, I sent the person a memo say how much I enjoyed the paragraph and that it had inspired me to write a piece about spanking. From the ensuing conversation we've had she has very much enjoy the piece that she inspired. from perhaps a hundred words that she had shared I wrote a pretty damn good story of. I've no idea if she would have the interest or ability to write such a thing, but the end result was a piece of writing inspired by something I read in a profile.
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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

I'd strongly suggest yu get some qualified legal advice about potential copyright issues. (IANAL)



I am 100% confident that inspiration is not something that have be protected from via copyright.



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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:35:25 AM   
lally2


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Status: offline 		well, ive stepped up and offered.  i dont see what the big deal is frankly.  ill only give out the information i want to give out and if it helps him to write a book about the deeper emotional aspects of submission to help those on the fringes to recognise their feelings and needs, then isnt that a good thing.

we're all so suspicious on here.  i truely dont see the harm in sharing thoughts and ideas with someone -

i did once allow someone to write a chapter on me and a horse of mine.  she abused my trust and twisted things around badly during a deeply emotional and miserable time for both my horse and i.  it can happen.  but since this is research for fiction i really dont see the biggee, or am i missing somethng here.

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RE: Book Research - 8/30/2009 8:36:25 AM   
LillyoftheVally


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Any resembelence to persons living or dead is purely coincidental

wonder why they put that in?

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