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Jadiken -> Testing Task... (8/31/2009 9:35:30 PM)

I apologize if this kind of question is elsewhere and I havent found it, but this is a question for all Dom/mes or even subs/slaves if they know of this happening...
 
Tops, have you ever given your bottom a task that you know could NOT be completed, not to see them fail, but to see how hard they would try to please you and complete the task. To see how long it takes them to give into you and beg for forgivenes for not being able to comeplete said task? I know there are many ways to see how much a sub/slave will submit to you, but have you ever wanted to see how hard they will try to do exactly as you say?
 
Thanks,
Jade



Wantstocontrolu -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 10:01:19 PM)

No



tazzygirl -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 10:08:41 PM)

i have never had that done to me, but, i think it would quickly ruin the relationship. setting up someone for failure just so they can crawl to you and beg forgiveness for failing at something that was known could never be accomplished is just plain cruel imo.



Aylee -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 10:15:33 PM)

Are we talking, "Buy me the lottery ticket with the winning numbers?"

Or are we talking, "Read War and Peace in the original Russian and give me a book report, you have  hours."?

Because it really makes a difference. 



NihilusZero -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 10:27:15 PM)

I would expect my sub/slave to attempt to please me with as much effort and desire as they are able to exert from the get-go. I see no reason, then, to require them to do something which isn't going to get me anything just to re-prove to myself the presence of something which should already be there.



WyldHrt -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 10:49:01 PM)

quote:

i have never had that done to me, but, i think it would quickly ruin the relationship. setting up someone for failure just so they can crawl to you and beg forgiveness for failing at something that was known could never be accomplished is just plain cruel imo.


Well said, tazzygirl! [sm=goodpost.gif]



Aylee -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 11:27:48 PM)

Test:

A proton approaches a long line of positive charge so that with it's initial trajectory it would intersect the line.  The line has a uniform charge density of 5 nanoC/m.  If the proton starts off with velocity 300 km/s a distance 1 km from the line charge, what is the distance of closest approach?
Mass of proton = 1.67E-27 kg
K = 8.99E9 Nmm/CC










Hint:  Find the field and potential that affect the proton.



Aileen1968 -> RE: Testing Task... (8/31/2009 11:28:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

i have never had that done to me, but, i think it would quickly ruin the relationship. setting up someone for failure just so they can crawl to you and beg forgiveness for failing at something that was known could never be accomplished is just plain cruel imo.


It's funny because I see the whole concept as a chance to have fun. If he did that to me I'd most likely call him names and such as I was attempting what he requested. We'd also most likely end up laughing our asses off. It would not ruin the relationship.



Focus50 -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 4:43:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jadiken

I apologize if this kind of question is elsewhere and I havent found it, but this is a question for all Dom/mes or even subs/slaves if they know of this happening...
 
Tops, have you ever given your bottom a task that you know could NOT be completed, not to see them fail, but to see how hard they would try to please you and complete the task. To see how long it takes them to give into you and beg for forgivenes for not being able to comeplete said task? I know there are many ways to see how much a sub/slave will submit to you, but have you ever wanted to see how hard they will try to do exactly as you say?
 
Thanks,
Jade

Yep, I've set impossible tasks - not so much as a "test" but as a teaching or training aid.

With newbie subs especially, I've found they can get hung up on the fear of failure so one of the first things I'll teach her is what it is that defines failure in *my* eyes.

Having her "escape" from a strict hogtie with much cajoling from me at her futile efforts generally gets the point across.... And after a suitable effort on her part, I'll usually leave her there awhile to consider another important lesson - the one about who makes the choices in this relationship and who takes direction.

Can't say as I've ever had any complaints and that "failing" is acceptable if she's given it her best shot - because it's also a philosophy I hold myself to....

Focus.



RavenMuse -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 5:04:48 AM)

I don't set a girl up to fail. I do and have set tasks which will take every bit of the girls effort to achieve but always within what I believe the girl capable of. If she doesn't achieve the set objective but I can see that she did give her best efforts, tried 100% then she has succeeded in pleasing Me. Conversly she may have done what I required but in a half-assed fashion.... there she hasn't succeeded and We would be having a discussion about effort and attitude!

If there is something she won't be able to do then I make it clear that she won't be able to do it and that something else about the situation is what is important. Like resistance play.... "you know you can't stop Me but you are going to try your best..... and We will both enjoy it"... given I'm a 6'2" judo trained ex-bouncer she isn't going to be able to stop Me.... she so does enjoy trying to when I permit her to do so though.



CaringandReal -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 5:21:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jadiken
I know there are many ways to see how much a sub/slave will submit to you, but have you ever wanted to see how hard they will try to do exactly as you say?
 
Thanks,
Jade


In my experience, there are better tests for this last point. What you do (once you know them well enough, that is) is enter an area in which they have some ego involved, something they do that is ego-gratifying or that they know a lot about and that they have their own methods for doing. Nothing serious like their career, you need to choose something that's more recreational and that will not have any genuinely adverse affect on their life (at least, initially), but also something that they love. And then you butt in. :D If they say, "I'm going to do this and that and this in my project/hobby/pastime/game" you tell them to do it a completely different way. Maybe even micromanage it for a while! Cooking, gardening, raising dogs, collecting, message posting, whatever it is, suddenly you're right there telling them in detail exactly how to spend their time doing it, and it's not in the way they've just planned out. People like to talk about what they enjoy doing and do well, so there are lots of opportunities to do this. Besides learning about obedience, you'll probably learn something about a submissive's capacity for patience as well as their fuse length. Triple learning! :D

(Now commences the moment where submissives get to volunteer to shoot me for suggesting such an idea.)



tazzygirl -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 5:39:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

i have never had that done to me, but, i think it would quickly ruin the relationship. setting up someone for failure just so they can crawl to you and beg forgiveness for failing at something that was known could never be accomplished is just plain cruel imo.


It's funny because I see the whole concept as a chance to have fun. If he did that to me I'd most likely call him names and such as I was attempting what he requested. We'd also most likely end up laughing our asses off. It would not ruin the relationship.


to me, that speaks of a relationship that is comfortable, without the need to "prove" anything on either side. its fun for you, its fun for him.

if the need is for me to "prove" my devotion, then i dont see it as the two having come to those cross roads and having chosen that path already.



spookyfe -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 5:49:17 AM)

he would never sut me up to fail and has already told me.  he may give me very difficult tasks but not one he knows is impossible.  he doesnt like to see me fail though he will push and stretch me but not fail on purpose



onlyfreelycaged -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 6:02:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jadiken
I know there are many ways to see how much a sub/slave will submit to you, but have you ever wanted to see how hard they will try to do exactly as you say?
 
Thanks,
Jade


In my experience, there are better tests for this last point. What you do (once you know them well enough, that is) is enter an area in which they have some ego involved, something they do that is ego-gratifying or that they know a lot about and that they have their own methods for doing. Nothing serious like their career, you need to choose something that's more recreational and that will not have any genuinely adverse affect on their life (at least, initially), but also something that they love. And then you butt in. :D If they say, "I'm going to do this and that and this in my project/hobby/pastime/game" you tell them to do it a completely different way. Maybe even micromanage it for a while! Cooking, gardening, raising dogs, collecting, message posting, whatever it is, suddenly you're right there telling them in detail exactly how to spend their time doing it, and it's not in the way they've just planned out. People like to talk about what they enjoy doing and do well, so there are lots of opportunities to do this. Besides learning about obedience, you'll probably learn something about a submissive's capacity for patience as well as their fuse length. Triple learning! :D

(Now commences the moment where submissives get to volunteer to shoot me for suggesting such an idea.)


while I agree that setting someone up to fail isn't a good way to test someone, neither is trying to micro-mannage something like cooking. I know that if someone even came close to me with that, there would be a huge problem, unless they were teaching me something.

I know how to do it, and I'm serving by doing so, and I'd rather just make it appear on the table all ready to eat. There's no need for the dominate party to get involved.

As far as just doing things that I enjoy doing, where's the point in taking the joy out of them? Once I know that the way I'm doing it isn't pleasing, then I just wouldn't be able to enjoy doing it any more.



lovingpet -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 6:19:16 AM)

No. I have enough unwanted limitations. He feels no need to exploit those. It is devestating to me that there are things I simply can't do for him no matter what my desires may be. Since we are talking about a test of devotion, he is more interested in setting some task that is extremely difficult for me. That way, failure can help us grow. Otherwise it is a test that I failed and that pain leaves me frozen for a long long time. He doesn't need tests though. I show my devotion every day and in every way I am able. Why wouldn't that be all he needs?

lovingpet



IronBear -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 6:30:32 AM)

Whilst it is not in my training regime for slaves, I do use this type of test in Lodge to ascertain the tenacity and ingenuity of a candidate as well as their stick-ability, adaptability and common-sense. The best result I had was a candidate, after trying to solve the problem coming to me and stating that at this time he was unable to complete the task but with further training he was sure he'd be able to do so. Such tests are often not to set someone up for failure but to test durability and ability to access the do-ability of things. In other words the result is not important where as the journey is very important. There is quite a difference.



leadership527 -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 7:54:09 AM)

No. "Testing", in my opinion, is just another form of playing-a-game and I have no use for it in my relationship. I also don't have any need for pretend tests to see how far Carol's submission runs. I don't really understand why you'd need such tests in a functioning D/s dynamic.

edited to add: NZ also made the same point I was trying to make. Why would I test something that was manifestly present?



IronBear -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 8:14:33 AM)

For those of us who require service oriented slaves, testing is a natural part of life as it is with any employment. I want to know the level of understanding/training some one has had in a variety of areas so I can assess what retraining together with new training I will have to schedule. I like to test a slave's limits as well which I imagine most Dominants in both M/s and D/s dynamics will do from time to time. Some things I don't test. Love, Loyalty and Honesty are three which come to mind. Time alone will test and prove them other that that I trust my intuition and gut. I do believe especially in this thread the term TEST needs to be qualified as to how it is being used. 



Missokyst -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 8:34:59 AM)

Math is a hard limit!!![sm=lalala.gif]
quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Test:

A proton approaches a long line of positive charge so that with it's initial trajectory it would intersect the line.  The line has a uniform charge density of 5 nanoC/m.  If the proton starts off with velocity 300 km/s a distance 1 km from the line charge, what is the distance of closest approach?
Mass of proton = 1.67E-27 kg
K = 8.99E9 Nmm/CC










Hint:  Find the field and potential that affect the proton.



Jadiken -> RE: Testing Task... (9/1/2009 8:51:13 AM)

Thank you every one for your imput. I cant say that the task is IMPOSSIBLE, but it is one of those extremely improbable, most likely not going to happen with the resources I have available to me, type of things.
 
Aylee... math... this early in the day... not going to happen, unless maybe its 2+2... but that kind of test wouldnt happen... (Master doesnt like math [:D])
Focus, I like your way of thinking, that makes sence to me... and it makes my situation make more sence... unfortunatly I dont known if that is what He is doing or not but it sounds like something He would do. And I am definitely the type of person to get hung up on fear and failure and let it tear me up from the inside out... Always have regardless of my relationships.
Raven, I like your type of thinking too. That kinda fits with what Focus said and the 2 can go kind of hand in hand, with just a slight adjustment on wording...
 
I know this is one of those things where every one is different and every one has their own opinion of how to learn about their new s type. Some will test them, some wont. Thank you for feeding my curiosity.
 
Jade
 



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