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stella41b -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/2/2009 9:19:36 AM)

Most of my ancestors could have been depicted in comic strips such as The Broons and Oor Wullie as they came from the tenement blocks of Glasgow.

Not much of the family history is documented but chunks have been passed on orally from generation to generation and perhaps the most remarkable feature is the intermarrying 'across the lines' between Catholics and Protestants and between rich and poor. This is despite the fact that Glasgow has been a divided city between Catholic and Protestant and a sharp contrast between the inner city districts of Maryhill and the Gorbals and the 'posh' areas such as Bearsden and Milngavie.

They all speak 'the patter' (Glaswegian) even that part of my family who emigrated to Canada in the 1960's. My grandfather on my father's side was a coalminer who moved south to work in collieries around Leeds and while south he met and married my grandmother who was an Irish gypsy from the border area between Donegal and Derry.

On my mother's side my grandparents worked their way up from the slums of Maryhill through the social classes of Glasgow. My grandmother was a housekeeper for the family of one of the directors for the Singer Sewing Machine Company and my grandfather started out as a tram driver for 'the Corporation', served in the army in North Africa reaching the rank of sergeant major by the liberation of Tobruk. After the war he discharged himself and joined the Post Office, becoming the Glasgow District Postmaster for parcels. They emigrated to South Africa in the 1980's for a few years after my grandfather died and my grandmother returned home to Glasgow alone. When she died in 2006 over 300 people attended her cremation service.




Rule -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/2/2009 9:43:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b
When she died in 2006 over 300 people attended her cremation service.

That is a huge number. When my older brother died, over 250 people attended his service.

My mum was a housewife, my father a labourer. My grandmother on one side was a housewife, I think, and her husband a fisherman; the earliest we can trace my surname - the oldest known name in my birth town - is that of a farmer in the area around 1500 or 1600, I believe. My grandmother on the other side had a small grocery and her husband had an oil cart and made the rounds in the city, selling cooking oil from his bicycle car. Me, I am not doing as well, being merely a supergenius, but I have reason to assume that I am descended from Frisians, Vikings, Romans, French Hugenots, and German Jews.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/2/2009 9:49:49 AM)

Dad left behind his research (pre-internet)...he went through graveyards and church records in New Jersey and Maryland and even got a copy of a report that one of his cousins had done by a professional genealogist.  unfortunately, since this slave's ancestors got here before it was the USA, and not necessarily of their own free will, there are gaps that just can't be filled because records don't exist.
 
when this slave was 10 (1976), the parents took us on a road trip back to the east coast to meet cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. for the first time.
 
for the last few years Master has indulged His slave by allowing her a membership to ancestry.com.  it has been a lot of fun researching and meeting cousins...but sadly, this slave is no closer to finding her "homeland".




Phoenixpower -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/2/2009 10:08:16 AM)

I did not do anything there really, but also have no intensions...I do remember my great grandmother from my mothers side as she died aged almost 97 when I was 13 and don't see any reason really to go any further behind. That side from my family is a very stable side (always lived in that area and my mum can fill her own bus with the amount of cousins she has, which was nice as we always met "the whole clan") each year at great grannys place on new year and great grannys birthday until she died.

However, my dads side is there somewhat different but also not really from my interest to have a deeper look into it. That part of the family was divided from the German Wall which I did not know until the wall came down (I was 11 at that time and a bit puzzled when I was told that we have "relatives" over there...). I am told that my Grandparents fled with their 4 children at that time but her sister stayed in east germany. Now...my grandmother and her sister don't have contact to each other...when I was 10 my dad decided to stop the contact to his mum and siblings as well (which led to the fact that I don't know 2 of my aunts at all, don't know my uncle and only remember my not very much liked godmother a little bit). I visited that grandmother when I was 18 and had my driving license and there was no interest from her side to stay in touch. I am also told from my brothers cousin, that when the wall came down that his brother was upset when the cousins from the east decided to meet us and according to them said "If you meet them then I won't stay in touch with you." As they did not agree to such stupid behaviour we met and get along fine..So it is just that in that line is a lot of bad attitude and drama going on with my grandmother and her sister and my dad and his siblings and his relationship to his mum...so I don't have really any interest to look any deeper into the mud from that side, as what I experienced going on between the ones who are still alive is enough drama for me and I appreciate the stable family I have had from my mothers side.

However in regards to that topic of research, when we visited to east germany 1990 my dad visited some graves from our family on really dodgy old graveyards...no idea whom he visited there, maybe his grandparents, I don't know.




pixidustpet -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/4/2009 9:17:39 AM)

about 20 years ago, a man walked into the city hall of the small town where my father's family lives.  he asked if anyone there knew the family "t" and could they help him get in touch with them?

granny was there, she was a "t" by birth.  he said "i'm your cousin."  then he pulled out about 20 sheets of paper and said "you need copies of this".

it was the family geneology for that name, and it was traced back to the american revolution.  it showed where the 3 "t" brothers where sent to america to "help quell the revolution".  one was hanged as a traitor (because he supported the british) one went back to england, one settled here.

and at all the family reunions, the papers are pinned up on the wall, to see if anyone has any new information and that's added as needed.

kinda cool.  [:)]

kitten




susie -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/4/2009 11:22:55 AM)

I have researched my family for a couple of years. On my Father's side I have been able to get back as far as 1500 though his paternal line but only 3 generations on his maternal side because that side of the family had a very common surname. On my Mothers side again only 3 generations because both her parents had very common surnames.

One of the best sites I have found for research has been familysearch.org which is run by the Mormon Church.




sappatoti -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/4/2009 12:57:07 PM)

Tracing our family's past has been a divided effort amongst many of us cousins. One set of cousins has spent their time working on our common grandparent lines (paternal in my case). They've been quite successful in detailing the roots. At some point in the future, they're going to present their findings in a sort of formalized way: books, charts, videos, etc. Basically, my paternal grandfather's family is British Isles and came into the US in the early to mid 1800s. My paternal grandmother's family is a mix of English and German ancestry and they, too, came into the US in the early to mid 1800s.

On my mother's side, another cousin has graciously taken over the tracing of our common grandmother line (my maternal grandmother). Again, this is an easily followed line and their progress is going smoothly. My maternal grandmother's lineage is mostly Irish and German, coming into the US shortly after the US Civil War, circa 1870s.

I have taken the task of trying to decipher my maternal grandfather's line, of which both sides of my grandfather's family have very unique and, unfortunately, undocumented stories. I am left with old pictures and stories as told by my mother and her alone (she is the last remaining survivor of her generation and before). As one can imagine, not being able to find documentation makes my task quite the enjoyable task of unraveling a mystery.

My maternal grandfather's mother was half-Ojibwe and half-something else. The story has been handed down through the family that she was born as a result of a US Indian Agent, assigned to one of the Ojibwe reservations in Wisconsin, raping one of the Ojibwe women. The tribe rose up and killed the agent and allowed my great-grandmother to stay on the reservation as long as her mother (a full-blooded Ojibwe) stayed there. Once my great-great-grandmother died, the Ojibwe released my great-grandmother from the reservation and into the care of a Protestant-run orphanage in Wisconsin. The story continues that the pastor and his wife who ran the orphanage officially adopted my great-grandmother, thus giving the woman their surname. It's at this point the documentation trail starts and the history of that line of my grandfather's family can be easily tracked.

My maternal grandfather's father's side is even more twisted than that. The short of it is that, as far as I can tell after reading historical texts, that side of the family came from the Danube River basin of Hungary, during the time of the great wars between the family rulers of Europe: the Hapsburgs, the Romanovs, and their allies of France, Spain, England, and the Ottomans. From the text books written after that time, it appears that very little documentation from the period of 1850s to 1880s remained in that region of the world, as most of it was burned through the result of the various battles, rebellions of that age. Again, based upon stories told by my mother and my now deceased uncle, it appears my grandfather's family was politically aligned with the Russian-backed rebels in Hungary at the time of the Hapsburg-Hungarian alliance. They escaped from the region when the Hapsburgs ran one of their many purges and, by way of the Franco-Russian alliance, made their exile out of Europe via France. They were met off the coast of the US by government officials, given new names, and sent off to Newfoundland, Boston, or NYC for immigration; time frame about 1870s (pre-Ellis Island).

Getting immigration records from any of those three points of entry has been a bit of a challenge but every once in a while I'll check the Mormon's database to see if they've become available. There are historical accounts of immigrant ships being met out at sea and directed to one of those three points of entry. There was nothing clandestine or mysterious in that. It wasn't until Ellis Island came into being that immigrant ships steamed directly into NYC.

Maybe one of these days I'll find the single document that'll corroborate the stories I've heard, but until then, all I can do is to keep digging and rework the scenario with each new tidbit I dig up.




chiaThePet -> RE: Discovering Your Past (9/4/2009 5:37:23 PM)


I found a tattered and yellowed old letter in a warped and splintered box.

Some poetic and magical references to a drunken sailor and a muskrat.

          "And they whirl and they twirl and they tango"
       "Singin' and jinglin' a jangle" (what the hell is that?)
                   "Float like the heavens above"
                     "Looks like Muskrat Love"

chia* sniff (the pet)




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