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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/2/2009 11:34:18 PM   
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domestication comes from the idea of domestic wife...one who stays at home, cooks, cleans, etc...which imo is kinda funny to have to train a slave to do those things. I learned those things in grade school along with manners and etiquette.

No one ever had to take home-economics?


I had home-ec for half the year in 5th grade, and shop for 1/2 the yr also. We didnt learn much, and by the next year it was gone. Those were the first two classes to go during the (then, "new") budget slashes in the mid 90's. I am fairly certain that most kids younger than me have never taken home-ec (i am 25), and if you dont have a mom to teach you to cook or clean, youre kinda left to fend for yourself. I just this year learned how to do tailoring repairs.

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/2/2009 11:47:51 PM   
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No one ever had to take home-economics?


I failed.
Ok, it was because I was totally incapable of completing the sewing project... sewing machines are EVIL!!!!... but still.  LOL


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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 2:17:51 AM   
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I got a wayward email from a dominant man, and in his email he listed 'domestication' as something he was looking to do to a slave. I told him I wasn't interested at all, but asked what domestication is, and he told me 'I'll train her to clean and cook.'

When I think of domestication, I think of livestock or the breeding of wolves into dogs. I don't think of cleaning a house or cooking. Does a person looking to 'domesticate' another person think they're wild and need to be tamed or something?

Serious question, where the hell did that term come from.


First you told him you weren't intersted and then you asked what it was? Hmm strange way to go about things imo

Your understanding of the word was right; to tame an animal, but it also means to accustom somebody to home life or housework

You might find that many Dominants have the urge to train their sub and many Dominants like to be cared for in a certain way and so like to 'train' their sub precisely so...  and i think it mainly should be fun

It is totally wrong to say that everybody just knows how to clean and cook... i just have to look at my best friend... she can cook very well, but she can not clean for the life in her.... my brother and his woman both can not do either... these people rely on cleaning ladies and take aways and ready cooked meals and their own family to help them...

As a teenager i wanted to go to the House Keeping School for girls (some boys were allowed too) but my mother decided that was a waste of my intellect and sent me to an academic school instead... i hated it, i was smart enough but i so detested it that i rebelled and nothing ever came of my mums much wanted diplomas and university plans... see my mum had it sorted that i should have a career as she wanted to have and was working towards finally as an adult as the house wife role had not worked out for her at all and she was going to push her daughter into a 'better' life... so indeed i became a wild thing.... my first jobs were all in domestic service of some kind or another and i did learn how to cook and clean and then supervise other cleaners...

And eventhough my Husband and i started our married life without BDSM He very much 'trained' me to keep the house as He requires it and i mainly cook what He likes and i groom Him how and when He wants...

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 3:07:30 AM   
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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 3:33:05 AM   
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Y'see for me there is more than just "Doing house work and cooking". There is a format for maintaining the house the way I expect it to be where everything is put away in a tidy, orderly fashion so anyone can locate every item especially the servant who may be expected to lay her hands on numerous items at a moment's notice. Then there is the way food and refreshments should be prepared and served. Nothing less than this may be acceptable. I have specific ways I like my coffee or tea and I expect a perfectly boiled egg soft and yet with no uncooked white as well as fresh toast and butter both hot and not just warm. There is a specific order in the way I like my shaving gear laid out and hot water read for me when I arise. baths need to be at the correct temperature and to a specified height. Service of food and drinks may be done in the English Tradition from either a Maid or Butler ior it may be desired more in line with the fancy Gorean style serves which I delight in having. protocols need be perfected too. So There can be much, much more than what is taught in Home Economics. I agree that this is not for everyone who expects a sub/slave to be both a play mate and servant but this but one example of what can be involved in Domestic Service. 


Imo this has nothing to do with training or domestic service but in getting to know your partner.

These are things you learn about the person you are with because you care enough to learn about their likes and dislikes.

In a relationship this is what two people do for each other. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe relationships have really changed these days and no one cares anymore?

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 3:58:20 AM   
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domestication comes from the idea of domestic wife...one who stays at home, cooks, cleans, etc...which imo is kinda funny to have to train a slave to do those things


Methinks it's highly erotic to have a "domestic slave", defined, for and by me as a naked female submissive who obediently performs menial chores around the house, and, if/when she displeases me, she is punished erotically for her transgressions.

If she's down on all fours, her sweet buns twitch invitingly in the air, tits swinging below her as her bound hands together, in unison, swish a too-small wet cloth to wash the floor beneath my feet in gently swirls that swing her tits in rhythmic motion that pleases me (pictures here by way of erotic example).

The best part is when she leaves the inevitable spot on the dishes or missed spot on the floor. Then she gets punished in a way where she must show herself unprotected and she is mildly punished erotically, whether it be a tit slapping or buns spanking or even penance by sucking the man tube for breakfast in the morning (a punishment example here).



Exactly! and because of the type of forums we are on, isn't this what its all about for many?
I find it interesting that male subs are often asked to provide domestic service and yet if one asks a female there is a high chance of her getting offended and yet I have not once seen a fem Domme shouted down when asking for the exact same thing.

I imagine when someone wants to train someone in Domestic duties, its like IronBear pointed out, to do things the way he likes them doing.
One thing that comes to mind is '9 and a half weeks' when Kim Basinger looks through his wardrobe and finds every shirt perfectly hung, or 'Sleeping with the Enemy' where Julia Roberts has to fold and hang the towels in a certain way. It also reminds me of my dad, who liked everything in its right place and done a certain way. That drove me mad as a kid but I watch my mum who to this day is a devoted domestic Goddess!

Some subs want to be domestic, some don't but I don't think we should make the ones that do look like down trodden fools.


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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 4:00:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Y'see for me there is more than just "Doing house work and cooking". There is a format for maintaining the house the way I expect it to be where everything is put away in a tidy, orderly fashion so anyone can locate every item especially the servant who may be expected to lay her hands on numerous items at a moment's notice. Then there is the way food and refreshments should be prepared and served. Nothing less than this may be acceptable. I have specific ways I like my coffee or tea and I expect a perfectly boiled egg soft and yet with no uncooked white as well as fresh toast and butter both hot and not just warm. There is a specific order in the way I like my shaving gear laid out and hot water read for me when I arise. baths need to be at the correct temperature and to a specified height. Service of food and drinks may be done in the English Tradition from either a Maid or Butler ior it may be desired more in line with the fancy Gorean style serves which I delight in having. protocols need be perfected too. So There can be much, much more than what is taught in Home Economics. I agree that this is not for everyone who expects a sub/slave to be both a play mate and servant but this but one example of what can be involved in Domestic Service. 


Imo this has nothing to do with training or domestic service but in getting to know your partner.

These are things you learn about the person you are with because you care enough to learn about their likes and dislikes.

In a relationship this is what two people do for each other. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe relationships have really changed these days and no one cares anymore?




But keep in mind that not everyone wants to be in a relationship. In the past I have had male domestic slaves and I wasn't in a relationship with them.

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 4:28:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Y'see for me there is more than just "Doing house work and cooking". There is a format for maintaining the house the way I expect it to be where everything is put away in a tidy, orderly fashion so anyone can locate every item especially the servant who may be expected to lay her hands on numerous items at a moment's notice. Then there is the way food and refreshments should be prepared and served. Nothing less than this may be acceptable. I have specific ways I like my coffee or tea and I expect a perfectly boiled egg soft and yet with no uncooked white as well as fresh toast and butter both hot and not just warm. There is a specific order in the way I like my shaving gear laid out and hot water read for me when I arise. baths need to be at the correct temperature and to a specified height. Service of food and drinks may be done in the English Tradition from either a Maid or Butler ior it may be desired more in line with the fancy Gorean style serves which I delight in having. protocols need be perfected too. So There can be much, much more than what is taught in Home Economics. I agree that this is not for everyone who expects a sub/slave to be both a play mate and servant but this but one example of what can be involved in Domestic Service. 


Imo this has nothing to do with training or domestic service but in getting to know your partner.

These are things you learn about the person you are with because you care enough to learn about their likes and dislikes.

In a relationship this is what two people do for each other. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe relationships have really changed these days and no one cares anymore?



Three points I would comment on:
  1. Your opinions are always welcome and valued as such, opinions.
  2. Do you have any knowledge of the training of servants in the Victorian/Edwardian era or in houses which follow(ed) those principles? I do and lived in one. What I stated was indeed part and parcel of a general guide to the types of Domestic Service expected and it was certainly what was expected of the Servants, Housekeeper and butler in my parent's home and that of my Maternal Grandmother.
  3. If you read my profile or had followed my various posts you would have found that I am already married to a female Dominant (lady Neets) and that we seek primarily slaves as domestic servants or in other terms service slaves. I am very specific of what is required in people wishing to fill and vacancy in Bruin Cottage as stated in my rather lengthy profile.In short I seek not a relationship as I have one already.


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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 2:23:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Y'see for me there is more than just "Doing house work and cooking". There is a format for maintaining the house the way I expect it to be where everything is put away in a tidy, orderly fashion so anyone can locate every item especially the servant who may be expected to lay her hands on numerous items at a moment's notice. Then there is the way food and refreshments should be prepared and served. Nothing less than this may be acceptable. I have specific ways I like my coffee or tea and I expect a perfectly boiled egg soft and yet with no uncooked white as well as fresh toast and butter both hot and not just warm. There is a specific order in the way I like my shaving gear laid out and hot water read for me when I arise. baths need to be at the correct temperature and to a specified height. Service of food and drinks may be done in the English Tradition from either a Maid or Butler ior it may be desired more in line with the fancy Gorean style serves which I delight in having. protocols need be perfected too. So There can be much, much more than what is taught in Home Economics. I agree that this is not for everyone who expects a sub/slave to be both a play mate and servant but this but one example of what can be involved in Domestic Service.



I swear IB, you make me swoon. I'd be in fantasy heaven if I ever had that kind of service offered to me. Maybe not the specifics of your interests, but the service ...

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/3/2009 2:31:54 PM   
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First you told him you weren't intersted and then you asked what it was? Hmm strange way to go about things imo




I'm terribly sorry you find it strange that a person would say no thanks to a relationship with someone who doesn't match their criteria (if I were looking, that is) but would like to know what they meant by something because heaven forbid it may be something that trips their trigger and they lead a fantastically kinky life thanks to a stranger and a misguided attempt at a pick up.

I am a naturally curious person, but maybe some people just don't care enough to ask questions.


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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 1:37:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		My mistake... i merely thought you had an email exchange about domestication and told him you were not interested before you even knew what it was... that was obviously not the case

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 4:28:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find it interesting that male subs are often asked to provide domestic service and yet if one asks a female there is a high chance of her getting offended and yet I have not once seen a fem Domme shouted down when asking for the exact same thing.

I agree with the statement above, although I have never really understood that.

I consider myself to be highly domesticated. By that I mean, I'm an excellent cook, I know how to clean, I know how to make a house a home. Although I would not enter into a relationship with a male dominant for the sole purpose of being his maid, I also cannot imagine that type of  relationship dynamic where I did not attend to many of the domestic responsibilities. I don't see that as demeaning in any way and never have. To me it's practical, since I have skills in those areas.




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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 4:29:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

domestication comes from the idea of domestic wife...one who stays at home, cooks, cleans, etc...which imo is kinda funny to have to train a slave to do those things. I learned those things in grade school along with manners and etiquette.

No one ever had to take home-economics?



I don't think it's funny at all. It's like when you hire a domestic cleaner but only want one who is 'experienced' and then when they turn up you just point them to the cleaning materials in the cupboard under the sink and expect them to get on with it. Now that's what I find funny.

The thing is though, it's not their home, it's your home, you know where everything goes and where everything is kept and what happens in your home, they don't. And so they, and I have been in this situation many times, am left to stare at the room and try and work out shapes and patterns and scratch my head. The thing is you're there to clean and you're left with guessing, and if you get it wrong you don't get called back.

I speak from lots of experience, both in the vanilla world as a domestic cleaner and as a submissive in service, everyone is different, every home is different, so training a slave or explaining to a new domestic cleaner how you want things to be done makes perfect sense. At least to me it does.

However I'm not very domesticated. I don't piss on newspaper or use a cat litter.


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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 4:48:02 AM   
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No one ever had to take home-economics?


Nope. I don't know how to cook --- thank god for microwaves. i didn't know and still don't do it all that well -- laundry til i went to college. I also do much better with a housekeeper lol to do all the domestic stuff.

However, when i speak to Men and they speak of domestication its a lot along the lines of what IB speaks of. Training a girl to do it the way THEY want it done. Its just a different type of control. I would find it odd if a slave would get their knickers in a twist cause "she already knows how to clean and cook" if her Master wished to train her to do it HIS way rather than hers. But it seems many would take issue with it.

In my former relationship i rarely had to clean or cook, he usually hired someone or i did my "Tom Sawyer" concept as he called it and somehow would have friends come do it lol. He said he never believed the Tom Sawyer thing worked until he met me lol. As for cooking, lt was something he loved doing and i was the chopper or such but i want to learn to cook now, wish i knew how. But i don't believe i have the patiences to do so, i always get distracted or forget lol.



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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 9:58:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		angel sweet one, perhaps you should spend a year and a day at Bruin Cottage and I would give you a formal introduction to our kitchen wherein I would happily teach you to prepare and cook restaurant quality meals, and serve them too.. 

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 10:08:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		grins at IB, you aren't really a masochist in hiding are you? grins, now the serving i can do, i can even do a brilliant presentation lol its simply making it EDIBLE where my troubles start.

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 10:31:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pompeii

quote:

domestication comes from the idea of domestic wife...one who stays at home, cooks, cleans, etc...which imo is kinda funny to have to train a slave to do those things


Methinks it's highly erotic to have a "domestic slave", defined, for and by me as a naked female submissive who obediently performs menial chores around the house, and, if/when she displeases me, she is punished erotically for her transgressions.

If she's down on all fours, her sweet buns twitch invitingly in the air, tits swinging below her as her bound hands together, in unison, swish a too-small wet cloth to wash the floor beneath my feet in gently swirls that swing her tits in rhythmic motion that pleases me (pictures here by way of erotic example).

The best part is when she leaves the inevitable spot on the dishes or missed spot on the floor. Then she gets punished in a way where she must show herself unprotected and she is mildly punished erotically, whether it be a tit slapping or buns spanking or even penance by sucking the man tube for breakfast in the morning (a punishment example here).



Amen to that!

I would simply had that she should be also produce milk (see another thread here) But of coourse only if take milk with your coffee or tea. Then you can make her bend over your cup and milk herself to sweeten your beverage.

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 10:58:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		some people are into this type of service and it doesn't always mean he wants things done in a specific manner. there are quite a few who consider submission to be part and parcel to domestic service, much like you've encountered. some formalized systems exist and others are informal and simply mean he wants you to do the 50's housewife thing along with the kink. which is fine if you're both into that. i'm not and i have quite a bit of culinary and vino training under my belt. i'm a hostess, not a domestic.

most schools no longer offer home economic courses. many people have no aptitude for domestic housekeeping nor do they desire to gain them either. some are content with utilizing the services of others and keeping meals relatively simple. the concept while foreign to many is really easy when you're single or have a lifestyle that requires such. i believe you have to be consciously aware of whether this is something you wish to bring into your relationship. where it is no longer done as an act of kindness on your part, but is performed out of duty and expectation as communicated by the dominant.

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/4/2009 11:23:34 AM   
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No one ever had to take home-economics?


When i came to Texas as an exchange student a few years ago, my host Mom made me take home economics and it was a real blessing. :) In the beginning i thought they were kidding me - to me it was unbelievable that one should learn how to cook and sew in high school - and i was really mad that there was only girls.

But we had a great time in there and now i know all kitchen equipment in english. Also, when i look at friends my age, many of them don't know how to cook, which is a real pity - therefore i can only encourage people to take such classes.

When it comes to domestic service... At first i struggled a little with the idea to take care of the household all alone [or with my sister slave], because of emancipation reasons, but now i really, really enjoy preparing the house for the moment our Master comes home. It would make me feel very ashamed to have the house untidy - so i guess... yes, i'm a domestic slave. :)

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RE: 'Domestication' - 9/6/2009 1:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy

I got a wayward email from a dominant man, and in his email he listed 'domestication' as something he was looking to do to a slave. I told him I wasn't interested at all, but asked what domestication is, and he told me 'I'll train her to clean and cook.'

When I think of domestication, I think of livestock or the breeding of wolves into dogs. I don't think of cleaning a house or cooking. Does a person looking to 'domesticate' another person think they're wild and need to be tamed or something?

Serious question, where the hell did that term come from.


Middle English, from Old French domestique, from Latin domesticus, from domus, house

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