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luckydawg -> Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:15:40 PM)
Remember back when Liberals had a problem with using "contractors" in Iraq? Amazingly (or predictably) Obama has rehired Blackwater with a new name to provide security for US personell in Iraq, even though the Iraqi's forbade their further use. And they are being extensivly used in Afghanistan and other places. Just another part of the campaign that was apperantly fodder for the fools. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_blackwater_7

rulemylife -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:26:53 PM)
Can we possibly spin any more bullshit on these boards? Your own article says it was a TEMPORARY extension because the newly hired replacement company was not ready to take over. Spokesman Ian Kelly said the contract with Presidential Airways to provide air support for U.S. diplomats had been temporarily extended because the firm chosen to replace it is not yet ready to take over. The contract had been due to expire on Sept. 3 and be taken over a day later by DynCorp International, he said.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:27:58 PM)
quote: Remember back when Liberals had a problem with using "contractors" in Iraq? Amazingly (or predictably) Obama has rehired Blackwater with a new name to provide security for US personell in Iraq, even though the Iraqi's forbade their further use. And they are being extensivly used in Afghanistan and other places. Just another part of the campaign that was apperantly fodder for the fools[ORIGINAL: luckydawg Hey...this one is pretty bad. And I have to admit that I'm pretty disgusted that he did this. I suppose some people would take a great deal of glee in it as they do in pointing out every mistake of this administration. But then again, who cares if this country goes to hell as long as they get to say "I told you so". Don't you just hate people like that, lucky?

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:33:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Hey...this one is pretty bad. And I have to admit that I'm pretty disgusted that he did this. Hehehehehe... And here I am, ready to give him some credit for grasping reality over rhetoric.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:46:14 PM)
Hey Spinner, and some people make direct false accusations (like here , http://www.collarchat.com/m_2782157/mpage_2/tm.htm# ) and then run away from them. I hate those kinds of people even more.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:47:19 PM)
RML, so I guess you are missing the point that the new company is also private contractors.... And that Blackwater is being used (not temporarily) in Afghanistan.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 8:54:39 PM)
quote: Hey Spinner, and some people make direct false accusations (like here ,http://www.collarchat.com/m_2782157/mpage_2/tm.htm# ) and then run away from them. I hate those kinds of people even more. ORIGINAL: luckydawg Dawg...here's a dollar....let it go. It's old news and I don't intend to play "you said this about me. I said this about you." with you. It's getting boring seeing you trot out what you thought I said in every thread I post in.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 9:00:52 PM)
Hey you asked me a stupid question. Sorry you can't handle the answer. I don't think you said, "What happened? Did you get tired of typing words like Stalinist and nazi over and over?" You did. And it is a lie. Sorry you do not like manning up to what you write. Want some cheese?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 9:03:03 PM)
Rule, I could not pain me more to do so, but I have to agree with lucky on this one (and that hurt even to say), the use of Blackwater in any capacity is a bad thing. Not only are they a shining example of all that's wrong with the private sector espionage business, but they have ripped off the government and the taxpayers unforgivably. Continuing to use them in any capacity is a grave mistake on the part of the administration.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 9:12:27 PM)
quote: Hey you asked me a stupid question. Sorry you can't handle the answer. I don't think you said, "What happened? Did you get tired of typing words like Stalinist and nazi over and over?" You did. And it is a lie. Sorry you do not like manning up to what you write. Want some cheese? ORIGINAL: luckydawg Ok....if this will make you a happy camper: LISTEN UP EVERYONE : I have never seen lucky, in any of his guises, type the words nazi or stalinist. Despite the multitude of omissions, convoluted spins, mean spirited personal attacks, overwhelming sense of personal persecution, and complete lack of any sense of humor that I find the trademark of his postings, this accusation is one of which he is entirely innocent. In my attempt to point out that calling a group "pigs" because they happened to disagree with his stance on an issue is in the same category as calling people nazi's and stalinsts, I libeled his good name by claiming that he had actually used the words nazi and stalinist. My intent was to say that Nazi and Stalinists are words meant to be derogatory and cloud debate with irrational emotion and revulsion, much like the word pig. I was incorrect, however, to insult lucky's good name and attempt to lessen the tremendous respect that all who have read his postings hold him within by these vile canards. I do hope that this settles the matter, lucky and that we can go back to experiencing the same quality of debate we've come to expect from you.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 9:25:31 PM)
"I suppose some people would take a great deal of glee in it as they do in pointing out every mistake of this administration. But then again, who cares if this country goes to hell as long as they get to say "I told you so". Don't you just hate people like that, lucky? " Please note that my bringing up the previous insult was in response to this post in this thread. Real elevated debate Spinner. On a serious level, I support using contractors. I (along with Obama and Bush) think it is neccessary to keep our nation safe and existing. So I don't think Obama made a mistake here. I support him. Some people have a problem when hypocrisy of the left is pointed out. Too bad.

Arrogance -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/3/2009 11:00:13 PM)
Off-topic but how has anything in Iraq been remotely geared toward keeping our country "safe and existing"?

Arrogance -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 1:38:39 AM)
And just to add to that, if anything the war in Iraq has helped tear down the vision of America we once had, as illusory as it was and as foolish as some people may have been to believe these things... It's displayed us a Plutocracy, more concerned with the enrichment and betterment of a few through some horribly corrupted and bastardized form of nepotism, lying to create a war to solve personal vendettas and fatten the pockets of those in business with the people in power. Abu Ghraib essentially killed any legitimacy we had as the "global watchdog" so many people like to think we are. Personally feelings on intervening in matters that aren't any of our concern aside, Abu Ghraib along with the other instances of torture and violations of the Geneva convention and international laws takes us completely off the moral highground upon which we liked to think we stood. We stooped to the level of the people we're trying to kill with so much fervor. And it was another gleaming example of a lesson everyone should have learned long ago that you cannot trust your government. Right, Left, or in between, there are some good ones, but the collective institution is a excercise it bullshitting.

Loki45 -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 3:21:45 AM)
Funny, I didn't read a single word in that story that agreed with the title of this thread. Talk about grasping at straws.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 3:24:23 AM)
Probably just the grim reality that opposition and government are two different things. There is this element of brain drain where some of the most experienced people in the field are the ones working for themselves. What they need to address is how they are shown to work within the authority of the U.S. government. Private contractors are usually quite convenient politically because they can be accused of going it alone to get things done outside of the normal rules and no politician should be able to paint that picture.

StrangerThan -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 4:49:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arrogance Off-topic but how has anything in Iraq been remotely geared toward keeping our country "safe and existing"? Before I start, I'm not a Bush supporter nor a Republican. Nor did I support the Iraq war in the way it was executed. I, along with what I think would be the vast majority of Americans would have supported an Iraq war had it been instituted upon the grounds it should have been, but that's another point. What the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have done for the most part is serve notice. That notice being that regimes can be squashed, can be eradicated, can be chased out of their sand castles, and if they give enough reason, will be. The only reason a good portion of the middle east isn't a glassed over parking lot is because of oil and the pesky after effects of radiation. The US should have invaded Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone. Saddam was a brutal and repressive murderer. As far as I'm concerned, Bush didn't do the wrong thing. He did it the wrong way.

luckydawg -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 9:26:15 AM)
Indeed that is off topic Arrogance. And the topic is not limited to Iraq. In the OP I noted that they are used in Afghanistan and other places also. Nice attempt to divert though.

Arrogance -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 12:01:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Indeed that is off topic Arrogance. And the topic is not limited to Iraq. In the OP I noted that they are used in Afghanistan and other places also. Nice attempt to divert though. It wasn't an attempt to divert, it was about your quip that some people want to keep the country "safe and existing". The moral implications of all that poses a greater threat to the America "existing" as it was than Iraq ever did. I commend you for your inability to read through the lines.

mnottertail -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 2:05:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Remember back when Liberals had a problem with using "contractors" in Iraq? Not particularily, no. If you mean using them instead of military for plausible deniablility, something that the neo-cons are accusing the Clinton administration of, in regards shipping folks off to Egypt for torture instead of up close and personal, or in regards to certain administration officials glad handing out no bid contracts to the companies they used to work for or their 'birds-of-a-feather buddies', well maybe so. But I also remember how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and Hip-shooter was going to slaughter the democratic dogs, and how Palin wasn't just a run of the mill stupid cunt and .......well Ron

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama hires Blackwater (9/4/2009 5:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: StrangerThan The US should have invaded Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone. Saddam was a brutal and repressive murderer. As far as I'm concerned, Bush didn't do the wrong thing. He did it the wrong way. Do you think the US should invade anywhere on humanitarian grounds ? If so Iraq wouldnt have been first on the list, not by a long way.

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