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Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 5:38:50 PM   
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What Happens in Texas Doesn't Stay in Texas

When the Texas Board of Education finishes drafting its new statewide standards for textbooks, students will be expected to "identify significant conservative advocacy organizations" and be able to "describe Ronald Reagan's role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength." The curriculum's conservative bias has led critics to claim that the board is excluding a liberal perspective from statewide education (there are no analogous questions about left-leaning organizations) and has been described as having a "persistent, tendentious conservative voice." If these standards are adopted, there could be serious ramifications for states outside of Texas, Talking Points Memo says. Along with California, Texas has one of the country's largest student enrollments, meaning that textbook publishers often cater to the market.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 5:43:40 PM   
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What Happens in Texas Doesn't Stay in Texas

When the Texas Board of Education finishes drafting its new statewide standards for textbooks, students will be expected to "identify significant conservative advocacy organizations" and be able to "describe Ronald Reagan's role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength." The curriculum's conservative bias has led critics to claim that the board is excluding a liberal perspective from statewide education (there are no analogous questions about left-leaning organizations) and has been described as having a "persistent, tendentious conservative voice." If these standards are adopted, there could be serious ramifications for states outside of Texas, Talking Points Memo says. Along with California, Texas has one of the country's largest student enrollments, meaning that textbook publishers often cater to the market.

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So let me get this right. Obama making a speech telling kids to study hard and and stay in school is political indoctrination. Teaching kids about the wonders of Regan and the conservative movement without any mention of any other ideology is good sound teaching.

You seldom see hypocrisy so blatantly displayed, Firm. I'm impressed


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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 5:47:13 PM   
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What Happens in Texas Doesn't Stay in Texas

When the Texas Board of Education finishes drafting its new statewide standards for textbooks, students will be expected to "identify significant conservative advocacy organizations" and be able to "describe Ronald Reagan's role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength." The curriculum's conservative bias has led critics to claim that the board is excluding a liberal perspective from statewide education (there are no analogous questions about left-leaning organizations) and has been described as having a "persistent, tendentious conservative voice." If these standards are adopted, there could be serious ramifications for states outside of Texas, Talking Points Memo says. Along with California, Texas has one of the country's largest student enrollments, meaning that textbook publishers often cater to the market.

Firm


So let me get this right. Obama making a speech telling kids to study hard and and stay in school is political indoctrination. Teaching kids about the wonders of Regan and the conservative movement without any mention of any other ideology is good sound teaching.

You seldom see hypocrisy so blatantly displayed, Firm. I'm impressed



Have I complained about Obama's "school indoctrination"?

If not, then go fish.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 5:53:45 PM   
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It will be fun seeing the comments of those who spoke against Obama though Firm. I take it from your comment you are happy to see both sides do this in schools.

Personally i think its wrong for either side to use schools for political reasons. Worse still, I think its wrong for firms to sponsor books ect and advertise their products at the same time.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 6:06:27 PM   
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So tell me, Firm, what part of a program to give biased and unbalanced information to school kids rather than a world view where both views are examined do you like?


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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 6:22:34 PM   
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Texas and California huh.

Will probably be greeted with tilted heads and an inquisitive,

"Ronald Reagan, la estrella de cine?

"Paz con la fuerza, mismo machista.

Or perhaps the omnipresent ,

"Only girly men aren't conservative."

Bless the beasts and the children

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 6:30:48 PM   
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Links for the original article ended up at a Charleton Heston speech. I never realized how much I like this guy.

Some money quotes:

About a year or two ago, I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms of American citizens. I ran for office. I was elected, and now I serve. I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know, I'm pretty old, but I sure Lord ain't senile.

...

I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 -- and long before Hollywood found it acceptable, I may say. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist.

...

I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life -- throughout my whole career. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe.

I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out the innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite.

Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution I'm talking about, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.

...

But I submit that you and your counterparts across the land are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that and abide it, you are, by your grandfathers' standards, cowards.

...

If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does -- does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe.

...


I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people.

You simply disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey the social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom.

I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr. King who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might.

...

But be careful. It hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies. You must be willing to be humiliated, to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water Cannons at Selma. You must be willing to experience discomfort.



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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 6:55:18 PM   
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Love the Hestor.

One of my faves;

"I'm a seeker too. But my dreams aren't like yours.
I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe
there has to be something better than man. Has to be."

Planet of the Apes (1968)

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 6:57:51 PM   
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I can't deny Charton Heston was a well spoken man. And, as surprising as it may be, he does bring up some valid points.

However, this has nothing to do with your celebrating the presentation of only one side of an issue to children and calling it teaching. Could you, in your own words, tell us why it should be presented that the conservative viewpoint is to be celebrated and all others ignored?


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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 6:59:40 PM   
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Love the Hestor.

One of my faves;

"I'm a seeker too. But my dreams aren't like yours.
I can't help thinking that somewhere in the universe
there has to be something better than man. Has to be."

Planet of the Apes (1968)

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Actually, my favorite Heston quote was made when a group of Democrats were touring Hollywood and tried to shake his hand and get pictures taken with the star.

"Get your stinking paws off me, you damn, dirty apes!"






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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:09:10 PM   
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Could you, in your own words, tell us why it should be presented that the conservative viewpoint is to be celebrated and all others ignored?




If I may, evolution vs creationism.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:20:01 PM   
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Links for the original article ended up at a Charleton Heston speech. I never realized how much I like this guy



I'm pretty sure past tense would be more appropriate.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:25:57 PM   
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I never realized how much I like this guy

I'm pretty sure past tense would be more appropriate.

I could be wrong, but I think he probably still likes him.

K.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:28:52 PM   
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If I may, evolution vs creationism. ORIGINAL: chiaThePet




An interesting point. But there is a difference between politics, even in the name of history, and science. I would not suggest that when teaching children that the world is round, it is also incumbent upon the teacher to present the flat earther theory. Nor would I suggest that when discussing how disease is transmitted, that the lessons about germs, infections and such are paired with the Christian Scientist idea that it is Satan who is responsible for all sickness.

This however, is different. Which political school of thought is superior is impossible to quantify in any objective manner. Just look at the passionate attempts to do so on this very board. To take one school of political thought and present it as "good" while ignoring or vilifying the other is to do a disservice to our children.

This is not education. It is indoctrination, plain and simple.


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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:30:36 PM   
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I never realized how much I like this guy

I'm pretty sure past tense would be more appropriate.

I could be wrong, but I think he probably still likes him.

K.



To end this argument easily, Firm likes Charlton Heston. Charton Heston would have (presumably) liked firm. There are many jokes in poor taste that could be made to follow this, but it's just too easy.


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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:31:10 PM   
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I never realized how much I like this guy

I'm pretty sure past tense would be more appropriate.

I could be wrong, but I think he probably still likes him.

K.



More than could be.

Unless he has a conduit into the spirit world. 

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:35:33 PM   
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I can't deny Charton Heston was a well spoken man. And, as surprising as it may be, he does bring up some valid points.

However, this has nothing to do with your celebrating the presentation of only one side of an issue to children and calling it teaching. Could you, in your own words, tell us why it should be presented that the conservative viewpoint is to be celebrated and all others ignored?

Actually, this is what is called "long overdue balance", not a "one sided presentation".

I think it was kittn who has claimed that the schools belong to the liberal left before. With some credibility, I might add.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:49:09 PM   
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If I may, evolution vs creationism. ORIGINAL: chiaThePet




An interesting point. But there is a difference between politics, even in the name of history, and science. I would not suggest that when teaching children that the world is round, it is also incumbent upon the teacher to present the flat earther theory. Nor would I suggest that when discussing how disease is transmitted, that the lessons about germs, infections and such are paired with the Christian Scientist idea that it is Satan who is responsible for all sickness.

This however, is different. Which political school of thought is superior is impossible to quantify in any objective manner. Just look at the passionate attempts to do so on this very board. To take one school of political thought and present it as "good" while ignoring or vilifying the other is to do a disservice to our children.

This is not education. It is indoctrination, plain and simple.




Agreed that the waters would become so murky even Charleton wouldn't be able to part them.

Though by allowing the teaching of one particular as fact, is it speaking to our children that we adhere to it's credence.

We would be wise to question all placed before our children.

"It's a madhouse, a madhouse."

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 7:55:13 PM   
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Could you, in your own words, tell us why it should be presented that the conservative viewpoint is to be celebrated and all others ignored?




If I may, evolution vs creationism.

chia* (the pet)



Evolution shouldn't be polarizing or politicized. It's fact.

Creationism is fiction.

It doesn't seem too difficult to differentiate between the two for some.

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RE: Text Books ... about damn time ... - 9/4/2009 9:13:09 PM   
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I repeat.

"It's a madhouse, a madhouse."

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