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eponavet -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad Atheism is a belief system Incredible. I had no idea that belief systems could be created without beliefs. Incredible. I had no idea athiests were just vacuous entities. And Nihilists....no beliefs there, huh? [;)] Seriously though, what would you say is the difference between a view and a belief?

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:35:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl everything all white and fluffy Stop playing under the sheets while we're trying to have a serious conversation! [8D] One of my "godly" given talents is my ability to multitask!!! its sooo good to be me!!! i can play and talk seriously at the same time... though.. usually when i talk to men... umm.. yeah... [;)]

Sunnyfey -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:38:24 PM)
Definition of View as a noun..... a conception of a thing; opinion; theory: His view was not supported by the facts. Definition of Belief as a noun.....1. something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2. confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief. Just for clarity sake....

eponavet -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:40:40 PM)
lol...thanks... [:-]

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:42:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet Incredible. I had no idea athiests were just vacuous entities. And Nihilists....no beliefs there, huh? [;)] Atheists who do not describe themselves as something else when it comes to positively stating their philosophies are vacuous entities. And that's not a put-down...that's a clarification that when someone tells you they are an atheist, you know one...precisely one thing about them: They do not grant credibility to any theistic god-concept. That's it. Maybe many atheists will describe themselves as secular humanists or taoists or heck, even pantheists kind teeter on the edge...but that's the only way you know anything about an atheist. And my existential nihilism is one I've tempered without the need for "belief" at all. So, yes: no beliefs here (at least none worth discussing seriously. Who I think will win the World Series is much more whimsy than belief) . quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet Seriously though, what would say is the difference between a view and a belief? Emotional investment held in the face of contradicting evidence. A "view" is something held because it is presumed to be factual. In the face of evidence that shows it to be non-factual or intellectually and/or logically flaccid, there's no reason to adhere to it any longer. A belief is a view that we've put personal stock in (usually the emotional kind). Like a belief that a hypothetical partner's late arrivals from work for no apparent reason isn't because of an affair (even in the face of mounting suspicious tell-tale signs).

Sunnyfey -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:44:16 PM)
Existential nihilism (the kind NihilusZero practices), the most well-known view, affirms that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. (definition from www.allaboutphilosophy.org/nihilism.htm) A bit different from Atheism.... Thats the definition from the website anyway, may not be his exact views on the subject.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:48:19 PM)
quote: Who I think will win the World Series is much more whimsy than belief Look into that crystal ball and let me know who is winning the Superbowl.... please????? then look again and let me know when i will get back my ability to spell correctly????

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:49:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Who I think will win the World Series is much more whimsy than belief Look into that chrystal ball and let me know who is winning the Superbowl.... please????? You're the one with the fluffy white line, silly!! Send me the info. [:D]

eponavet -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:56:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey Existential nihilism (the kind NihilusZero practices), the most well-known view, affirms that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. (definition from www.allaboutphilosophy.org/nihilism.htm) A bit different from Atheism.... Thats the definition from the website anyway, may not be his exact views on the subject. I wasn't trying to imply that they were the same thing, sorry if it appeared that way. What i am trying to say is that his view/belief that life has no intrinsic meaning or value is just that - a belief. It may or may not be true. In the face of the evidence that has presented itself to him, in his life, he has formulated this "opinion" (the second definition for both view and belief) and therefore it has meaning to him. When he dies, he may find that there is something he was not aware of or could not conceptualize before then. I am not claiming that there IS something that will happen to him that will change his view/opinion/belief. I'm just saying that the meaning or lack thereof that he attributes to his existence is a belief. He does have some emotional investment in it, even if it is only the conviction that there ISN'T any belief.....which is a belief. [:-] He can correct me if i'm wrong but - aren't all nihilists atheists but not all atheists are nihilists?

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 7:57:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Who I think will win the World Series is much more whimsy than belief Look into that chrystal ball and let me know who is winning the Superbowl.... please????? You're the one with the fluffy white line, silly!! Send me the info. [:D] pft... its only a one way communicator, silly! if i said he spoke to me, someone would have me locked up... and not in the good way!

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:10:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet What i am trying to say is that his view/belief that life has no intrinsic meaning or value is just that - a belief. It may or may not be true. How do you determine the things in your life that are more reliable and "real" than others? There are ways of measuring the sensibility of one postulation versus another. quote: ORIGINAL: eponave In the face of the evidence that has presented itself to him, in his life, he has formulated this "opinion" (the second definition for both view and belief) and therefore it has meaning to him. It has no "meaning" to me aside from it being the assessment of our reality that holds up most staunchly to scrutiny. Opinion is the wrong word. Opinions are views that have no framework inside them. Like, let's say, if I have an opinion you are a Saturnian-based martian engaging in astral projection to have your physical form appear on earth. That "may or may not be true" also. quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet When he dies, he may find that there is something he was not aware of or could not conceptualize before then. "Conceptualize"? I'm not sure what you think that means...in any sense other than metahysically permitting myself greater leniency for fanciful delusion based on new agey whimsy. Tossing out a hypothetical when there is no reason for it to be valid only to point out I could be wrong is equivalent to wagging your finger at someone for betting all they own on the top card of a deck of cards being the 8 of clubs when they were shown the card just a second before it is to be flipped over. quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet I am not claiming that there IS something that will happen to him that will change his view/opinion/belief. I'm just saying that the meaning or lack thereof that he attributes to his existence is a belief. He does have some emotional investment in it, even if it is only the conviction that there ISN'T any belief.....which is a belief. [:-] If that's how you want to define "emotional investment" then everything in the world has "emotional investment" and we can disqualify it as a distinguishing term in the discussion of differentiating "view" from "belief". If you wanted to provide your own definitions then why did you ask me to provide some in the first place? Investment in something being factual is not investment in needing it to be right because of emotional reasons. quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet He can correct me if i'm wrong but - aren't all nihilists atheists but not all atheists are nihilists? I haven't spoken with all of either group. My casual thought process about it would not say that is so, however. Theistic deities could indeed exist and the concepts of "value" and "meaning" would be just as empty. Theism would just add one more subjective sentient entity to the mix.

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:12:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl pft... its only a one way communicator, silly! if i said he spoke to me, someone would have me locked up... and not in the good way! What good is a one-way walkie-talkie?!? Jeez! throws hands up in a huff

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:15:33 PM)
Its good only to keep me out of a looney bin and here tormenting you men [:D]

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:19:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its good only to keep me out of a looney bin and here tormenting you men [:D] wags finger Bad s-type. Bad!

Kirata -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero What good is a one-way walkie-talkie?!? Jeez! Communication isn't only verbal. In fact, our most intimate communications seldom are. Just a thought... carry on. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:29:02 PM)
[sm=cactus.gif] d-type? [sm=dunno.gif]

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:49:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl [sm=cactus.gif] d-type? [sm=dunno.gif] Who put the "S" and "D" keys next to each other on the keyboard?!

eponavet -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:51:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Opinion is the wrong word. Opinions are views that have no framework inside them. Like, let's say, if I have an opinion you are a Saturnian-based martian engaging in astral projection to have your physical form appear on earth. That "may or may not be true" also. Not all opinions are as far fetched as the one you chose to use in your example. Are you saying that ALL opinions are views that have no framework inside them? quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero If that's how you want to define "emotional investment" then everything in the world has "emotional investment" and we can disqualify it as a distinguishing term in the discussion of differentiating "view" from "belief". If you wanted to provide your own definitions then why did you ask me to provide some in the first place? Investment in something being factual is not investment in needing it to be right because of emotional reasons. I asked in order to get YOUR response, which you didn't give - someone else did and i responded to what they said. And, in fact, the definitions they provided were fairly synonomous, which was my point. The terms are ambiguous. Your have provided additional clarification regarding emotional investment in an opinion/view etc to distinguish it as a belief. Thanks. I happen to disagree because beliefs also change over time, through experiences and learning etc. Maybe at that point, in your opinion, they would have always been considered views - since the person holding them was able to change them in the face of new or different information. But if the person holding them believed them at one point and then didn't at another, wasn't it still a belief when it was being held? quote: ORIGINAL: eponavet He can correct me if i'm wrong but - aren't all nihilists atheists but not all atheists are nihilists? quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero I haven't spoken with all of either group. My casual thought process about it would not say that is so, however. Theistic deities could indeed exist and the concepts of "value" and "meaning" would be just as empty. Theism would just add one more subjective sentient entity to the mix. Interesting point in your last statement....which would only apply to nihilists since atheists would deny the existence of deities, correct? [8\|]

NihilusZero -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:51:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero What good is a one-way walkie-talkie?!? Jeez! Communication isn't only verbal. In fact, our most intimate communications seldom are. Just a thought... carry on. K. Yeah, but they usually refer to the ones who talk about getting 'touchy-feely' with their deities as blasphemers (or worse). [;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Atheism a religion? (9/10/2009 8:54:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl [sm=cactus.gif] d-type? [sm=dunno.gif] Who put the "S" and "D" keys next to each other on the keyboard?! O M G...od!!! Quit scaring me like that!!!! im just a poor, helpless, defensive s-type who gets textually beat up by you D-types and.... sighs... now i gotta call the white line!!! see what you did!?!?

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