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Rainfire -> Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 7:26:47 AM)

As I was doing my daily browse of the news, I stumbled across the following:

Dating 101: Why Am I Still Single? New research says there's a reason you're single -- and may stay that way By  Kristine Gasbarre
I was on the phone with my friend Beth, a 31-year-old international sales exec at a major Hollywood film studio. "I can't believe a four-year relationship could end with us living on two separate coasts," she said, "But he was traveling so much and I finally just told him, 'This is not what I signed up for when I got involved with you.' So, we're officially separated." She sighed. I sighed.

"Anyway enough about me, what about you, Italian girl? I thought they worshiped American women in the land of pasta and love. Why are you still single?"

If I had a euro for every time I wondered that: Why am I still single? It's a question more than half of American women ask themselves, according to a report the New York Times put out in early 2007. This data includes women who live apart from their significant others, but all independent variables aside it's a figure that's rocketed significantly in the last couple decades.

Even as those 57.5 million of us gather round cozy wine bars with our girlfriends, enjoy Bridget Jones nights in sweats on the couch, or pack four different guys into one week (yep, it happens), we're likely to be puzzled over what we may be doing wrong ("That one wearing three carats with the husband more loyal than a black lab -- what does she know that I don't?") or whether we actually need partners, as tradition (and Mom) seem to imply.

The "singular-single" syndromeJean Twenge is a psychology professor at San Diego State University and author of "Generation Me: Why Today's Young Americans Are More Confident, Assertive, Entitled -- and More Miserable -- Than Ever Before" and co-author of the upcoming "Narcissism Epidemic" with W. Keith Campbell. Based on recent research she has conducted to learn about current attitudes toward relationships, Twenge confirms, "There is in fact a massive cultural shift at work here." She says the number of women who are romantically uninvolved is a result of one major factor: our culture tells us we don't need relationships.

Call it the "singular-single syndrome" -- we have it. Twenge recently conducted a study of 200 student participants at San Diego State, and 90 percent of them answered the questionnaire stating they live by grand individualistic philosophies like, "You shouldn't ever need anyone else to make you feel complete" and "You have to make yourself happy." Based on this study and a handful of others Twenge has conducted in the last few years, she concludes that today's young adults feel they need to be completely self-sufficient in their happiness.

The fact is, young American adults view deep emotional involvement with others as weakness and dependence. It's not just that our culture accepts and accommodates the single lifestyle now -- it's that it actually disparages the individual who isn't focused solely on her own personal advancement. The ubiquitous teachings from our capitalist culture media, Boomer-generation parents who toiled to teach us the importance of pursuing personal goals, and teachers in an increasingly survival-of-the-very-fittest education system -- all these emphasize the individual and her goals, not her need for involvement with others

Social networking to blameTwenge also said that a study she's currently conducting with W. Keith Campbell leads to the conclusion that narcissism in America is higher than it's ever been before, and by definition of considering themselves more important than the people they associate with, narcissistic people make terrible relationship partners. Twenge blames this spike in narcissism on societal teachings like those aforementioned but also feels that purported social networking devices like MySpace and Facebook are less a method of connecting with others than a means of shameless self-promotion, giving the individual limitless opportunity to think about themselves and advertise why other people should want to know them.

Some users even employ social networking sites out of romantic malice, attempting to provoke jealousy or track the whereabouts of an ex. And for some couples, being on each other's friend lists is a topic more taboo than first-date sex. "No way would I add (my new girlfriend) to my page," says Kevin, 30, an engineer near Pittsburgh. "I think she's pissed about it, but if it ends, it will be too awkward if we're able to keep tabs on each other."

Any way you slice it, we're all looking out for Number One. Here's the trouble: the more time we spend thinking about ourselves, formulating clever responses to friends' online comments about us, posting our most attractive photos, and "pimping our profiles" to leave impressions on our contacts, the less time we spend actually interacting with and caring about others.

Even the word "friend" has transformed from an endeared noun used to describe an intimate, trusted companion to a verb that implies a quick click of the mouse. "Listen, I gotta run, it was nice to meet you. Remember to friend me tomorrow." We lack the basic fundamental of all relationships -- spending time together -- and personal eye-to-eye contact continues to grow more rare.

Looking for love or a list of features?Chris Morett is a sociology professor specializing in family and marriage at Fordham University in New York City. Morett echoes this cultural emphasis on the individual. He says our communities and peer groups have broken down significantly in the last decade, and our consumer culture promises the singular single that you can "Have it your way." Thus young Americans are less willing to compromise their own desires than ever before, and Morett goes so far as saying that the American dating process has become similar to other means of shopping for a product.Women don't need marriage for the economic stability and source of identity the institution provided decades ago. The majority of American women nowadays were not raised simply to be wives but to value personal advancement by self-sufficient means, and women are now economically independent, deriving their identity from their work and other societal roles, not just from being a wife. Marriage is no longer a necessity but a choice. So when a woman dates a man and he doesn't possess all the "features" she requires, she briefly deliberates and continues shopping ("Is passionate about his work, check. Loves to travel, check. Forgot to ask how my meeting went, uh- oh. Completely unacceptable.")

No longer does a woman need a man or a marriage; now she wants a soul mate, a partner to share her interests and values and someone who provides passion and support and fun. She desires a man who won't require her to sacrifice her identity or every aspect of the single lifestyle she's come to enjoy.

But until we meet him, the solution to the single person's isolation may be simple: shut the lid on our laptops and get over ourselves -- you don't have to do it all on your own. We'll only find the comfort to our singles' loneliness by spending time in the physical presence of people we love. If we want love, we have to love. We have to open our hearts to connecting again.

Hmmmmm, interesting thoughts.... and here I just thought I was happy when I single, though I am now happier collared. What are some of your thoughts?





subtlebutterfly -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 8:19:11 AM)

I'm perfectly happy single!
But maybe that's 'cause I'm not american...




KatyLied -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 8:41:37 AM)

I'd like to find a SO, but I'm pretty happy being single and coming/going as I please and not having a dominant to answer to.  Being part of a couple is good, until you break up.




SteelofUtah -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 9:10:47 AM)

Nothing in the above surprizes me.

I have been saying for years that one of the main reasons most of the "Why am I still single." People are still single is because they expect the world to adjust to their every insane view on relationships.

They sit there judge all people based on past relationships, often put themselves down and ask why someone would want them, they focus on their and others EVERY Flaw, and then get the pay off of being right when the person who really did want to be with them gives up because it takes so fucking much to get them to understand you ACTUALLY do like them but NO ONE should have to work that fucking hard to be with someone.

I have noticed that those who date ALL THE TIME literally take just about everyone on up on the offer to go out. They don't hide themselves and they don't need MONTHS to decide if someone is worth getting to know.

The INternet has helpped people continue with this behavior because now they can carry on meaningful EMPTY Relationships with someone who is MILES AND MILES AWAY.

Wanna know why you are still single? Because you aren't willing to get hurt. You aren't Willing to Risk yourself to chance.

OR

You are so fucking Miserable and Hate everything so much that people actually dislike being around you because you make them feel bad about themselves.

OR

you have such a Poor Self Image that when someone does actually like you, you point out everything that is wrong with you and they begin wondering what is wrong with them because you ask all the time why would someone want to be with you?

OR (And this is the Kicker)

You believe in this idea that you DESERVE a certain type of person who is usually some compilation of Unrealistic Expectations and Nominatable for Sainthood.

Now mind you I am not saying that having expectations is bad or wrong. And there is nothing wrong with expecting a Man to Treat you right. However if in your Vision of "Treating you Right" His Granite Chin and Sparkeling Smile come with his ability to summon IceCream Sundaes from his AssHole. The problem usually isn't what you expect, it is how you see the expectation. You say "Treat you Right" however treating you fight offten tends to come with him fawning over you and possibly having rock hard abs................What's wrong with wanting a Man to Treat me right and not hit me or yell at me or treat me like shit.... while also having a Great Ass, Lots of Money, and wants to put himself in the poor house just to buy things for me.

Wanna know why you are still single start asking yourself what you are doing to NOT be.

Steel




DemonKia -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 9:26:44 AM)

Fear, anxiety, stress, lack, deficit, & problems all sell way better than contentment, happiness, satisfaction, et al. . . . . . Numero uno thought while reading that . . . . . ..

& -- historical perspective. The article has the ever-popular implied 'golden nostalgic past' when things were so much better than the 'deteriorating conditions' described . . . . . Problem is, there is no such thing . . . . . . There's no wonderful point in the past when some greater mass of people were having better love relationship outcomes than now . . . . . If anything it's the other way 'round: back when people's choices were much more severely constrained was probably a time of an average of less satisfaction, less happiness . . . . . (Check out the history of 'desertion', for instance -- that's what happened before divorce was legal . . .. . & don't even get me started on the history of domestic violence . . . . . . )

Oh. & I don't buy the 'everyone is getting more narcissistic' mantra, tho' I've got that it's as popular as the 'everything is going to hell in a handbasket' one . . . . . . . [ETA] & / or I don't buy that 'increasing narcissism' is necessarily some kind of social evil . . . . .

I note that the 'narcissistic' advice in the article is exactly what gets ladled out here regularly & frequently; the alternative, not-so-narcissistic, advice is what? Settle? Take whatever you can get & be thankful for whatever randomness come your way first? Don't be so frickin' picky?




pahunkboy -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 11:12:46 AM)

...I ruined dates by being too clingy.    I also ruined it by not taking a hint.

I havent dated in a long time- I randomly ran an ad on another site and I think I have a bite!!! 

I asked for someone who can carry a conversation.  I got 1 spam reply- 2 one liner get laid lines.  (sort of offensive- no pic no info like I dont have a say so)

and then one that he wants me to pop over where he works....   hmm.  So- why not?  




DavanKael -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 12:05:11 PM)

Interesting thread, Rainfire.  As I just finalized my association with a guy I'd gone out with 6 times this morning, I can happily, in this instance, say I am single. 
I got mrried 9 days after I turned 18.  We got together when I was 15 and we were together 17 years, to the day.  I am a huge believer in the good things about marriage. 
I also know that I, one who abhorrs sleeping alone, would rather sleep alone forever than sleep with the likes of the guy I mentioned having gone on 6 dates with, or anyone who I don't love and who does not love me, for that matter. 
at 34, I am not sure if I fall within that article's demographic of 'young' Americans.  I will say that I see a lot of people destroy their relationships/marriages out of selfishness.  It's part of why mine went south. 
There is a perspectie difference: a lot of times, singles see the constraints of being married where-as married people often see those things as indicative of security, stability.  It's a difference in how you look at things. 
If you ask me what I want in a partner: I can list off a bunch of different generic things but, truly, when I feel that magic with someone, I am pretty damn flexible. 
I don't suggest that marriage/life partnership is the be-all, end-all for everyone but I am a huge fan and I hope to re-partner successfully before I reach some more elevated age demographic and stay joyously partnered 'happily ever after' while acknowledging it's not always going to be wine and roses, perfection, whatever. 
I am definitely a "we" more than a "me" person. 
  Davan




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 1:41:42 PM)

I'd rather be single than in a relationship that doesn't satisfy me. What could be more simple?




pahunkboy -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 1:47:20 PM)

For some reason there is alot of happily single people in LA.

I used to very much want a LTR.

But- I think I am too selfish.  I like the house the way I want it.  The temp- the radio- the windows- the stuff- I like it my way.  If I am having a bad day- I close up all the blinds and shut myself in.  And I have many days like that.  






DDraigeuraid -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 3:40:55 PM)

I am definetly NOT in the demographic of the article. I was married for twenty years and have been single now for 13. I have had a few relationships in that 13 years, but for now anyway, I prefer bachelorhood. This is a very rural community, with few ladies I would even care to get involved with. Does that make me narcisissitic? Maybe, but more realistic.

Dragon




KatyLied -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 4:16:59 PM)

There is a lack of functional, stable people in the dating pool, that is for sure.  And if you are the least bit discriminating, you may find yourself single.




porcelaine -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 4:44:51 PM)

people are single for a variety of reasons. i don't think one can paint a broad strip and say this is why YOU are alone. as everyone's preferences and circumstances differ. i suppose if many were willing to set these aside in the name of companionship the numbers would differ, but i believe people are entitled to what they like.

i relish my freedom and live a comfortable life. i recognize my standards and tastes are such that many won't appeal to me and that is fine. i don't consider myself to be the serial dating type at all. i am slow to partner and place a greater emphasis on compatibility and substance than instant gratification that often ends in disappointment. i can honestly admit that i have yet to find the right one. i can't say i've come close either. but i believe the experiences have made me a better person. which opens the door of opportunity much further.

porcelaine




IrishMist -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 5:08:25 PM)

I'll be honest. I don't like being single.

I have been single now for over 10 years. I see no change in the future.

Not because I 'push' away all the men who may be interested; but because there is nothing inside me to give to anyone.

It's corny, but when he passed away, he took me with him.

There have been times over the last ten years that I felt guilty about being single, but that's because the youngest was only three when he passed away and I basically deprived her of any 'father' influence. The guilt was not enough though to make me decide to try and find someone.

*shrugs*

All in all, though I don't like being single, I can honestly say that I have not been unhappy. Just more like...in a state of limbo...is a good way to describe




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 7:02:34 PM)

My thoughts?  I'm very much single by CHOICE.  Been there, tried that, tired of the bs where relationships of a more intimate than casual friendships are concerned, don't care to try it again.  I'd rather spend the rest of my life alone and happily doing my own thing than in a relationship and miserable because my luck seems to run towards losers, abusers, alcoholics, jerks, and mysanthropic pieces of shit.  Yes, most of that "bad luck" has been due to my own bad choices - but I'd still rather be alone.  The ones I'm attracted to don't want me, the ones that are attracted to me I don't want.
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

 
OR (And this is the Kicker)

You believe in this idea that you DESERVE a certain type of person who is usually some compilation of Unrealistic Expectations and Nominatable for Sainthood.


Hmmmmm... I thought that about myself for the longest time.  And then I took a good long look at what my "Unrealistic Expectations" were:  something remotely resembling the capacity for loyalty (ie, capable of keeping it in his pants when he says he will)  honesty (every other word out of his mouth is NOT based on his own fantasy world and utter bullshit) integrity (he's actually capable of keeping his word, rather than constantly making empty promises) respect (he's capable of treating others like fellow human beings, rather than set dressing on his personal stage or a convenient kicking post) honor (see that whole thing about being capable of keeping his word? consider this part deux) maturity (um yeah - this one should be kinda self explanitory) a sense of humor (if he isn't capable of getting a joke, I have little use for him) the capacity to keep things in perspective (I have no room in my life for someone who is obsessive about something - not even if that "something" is me) and somehow capable of the occassional adventure (ya Have heard of spontenaity, right?)
 
I've also realized what I want is Not someone who is "nominatable for sainthood": not an alcoholic or drug addict, no criminal history as long as my arm, can keep a job for longer than a month (and doesn't quit the instant we start dating, expecting me to support him financially) no seriously psychotic stalking ex's (mildly psychotic and/or non-stalking is ok - I can deal with that, I'm a big girl and have plenty of weapons if she gets stupid)  reasonably intelligent (while I don't require a college degree, a high school diploma that was NOT aquired via GED is something that I require).......
 
All in all, not a list that I would consider at All "unreasonable" or "unrealistic".....  




ShaharThorne -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/7/2009 7:13:28 PM)

I have chosen to remain single through I have been engaged for a while. Right now I just enjoy being single, no man to call on me or to call. No socializing, hence no bad choices to make. I am content in that way through I feel the need to flog someone off and on (no groups here).




stella41b -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/8/2009 7:03:23 AM)

There's various reasons here. First thing is I'm transgendered.. and in the eyes of many I have chosen to reject the gender I was born into and for this I've been tried, convicted, and sentenced to remaining 'socially unacceptable' for the rest of my life.

But it also works another way too. It attracts those to me who think that I'm going to be desperate enough to accept what no naturally born woman is prepared to accept. But I'm not in any way desperate, and you can be sure if my naturally born sister isn't touching it with a barge pole, then I'm not either.

But even that aside I don't fit in with the majority, through being not just artistic but also something of an individual. I'm free and people are suspicious, because I don't have a 'day job', none of the visible trappings of success, no car, I don't own property, I don't go out and get pissed every Friday, I don't order takeaway food, (they overlook the fact that I have a computer I'm usually busy working on, a laptop, video camera and smartphone because they're usually too busy noticing what I don't have) and prices, what I'm planning to buy, and what I've bought aren't usually topics of my conversation.

I'm 43, and in dating terms I'm not even middle-aged, I'm older - I often wonder whether this means 'elderly' in dating terms. When am I going to be 'past it'? At 45? 50? 55?

But I'm also single, and I am so by choice because like a lot of people like me, I'm not looking for a superficial relationship or a relationship that I can 'jump into' with someone else. I've been there, done it so many times, and have a couple of T-shirts. I've said goodbye to too many people in my life, seen too many walk away, experienced the most miserable sort of loneliness of feeling all alone when you're with someone, times when you're not understood, times when you argue, fight, live in disagreement, in fact I feel I know enough about superficial relationships not to want another for the rest of my life and that decision I've made sits quite well with me.

Do I have unreasonable expectations? No, not really, if you can accept me, in the main part understand me, and if you can function adequately and be happy in my presence without being driven bonkers, or driving me bonkers, then that's good enough for me. But hardly anybody gets that far because their tick box dating checklists have already been filled out and the computer says 'no'.

Not that any of this really bothers me. I'm quite happy being alone, I do things, work without distractions, have friends, come here and post, post elsewhere, upload songs to a song parody website, write, pursue my hobbies and interests happy knowing that if there is someone and something does work out, that it's going to be free and unconditional.

Something everybody is looking for and dream about, but something not everybody finds in reality.




meatcleaver -> RE: Why single? New study has some answers... (9/8/2009 8:17:47 AM)

I've been involved with three American women over the years, four if I count one when I was a teenager but she doesn't really count and while they were all good fun up to a point, they were all high maintainence and there always came a point where they couldn't accept a differing point of view. They all had standards, their own and ironically they all wanted dominant males who fitted their unique image of a what a dominant male was and that meant one that never said no to her, put her on a pedestal and idolize her. It was always easier to finish than mutate into the creature they wanted. Actually two were great fun to date but I could see the castastrophe if things went further. One was uniquely fucked up but I don't think that was anything to do with her being American, she was just fucked up, she had strict moral rules she broke and then obviously felt guilty about and attacked me because she felt guilty. Strange but she was fucking around behind my back while saying she couldn't trust me and that I had no moral standards. Wow, was she a nightmare. I suppose some poor bloke is living the nightmare with her by now.




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