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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/10/2009 5:32:05 PM   
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The op is only 23, her primary experience with groups of other women I venture to guess is not on a group of her mother's friends but from her school friends - all in the throes of puberty. Wait 20 years before you make pronouncements of this sort, I guarantee you will change your mind several times.

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/10/2009 6:46:44 PM   
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Why do you expect women to adhere to a higher standard? People are people, no one sex or gender has cornered the market on stupid or short sightedness. If you judged men by the same standards you judged women, you would rule out the entire human race.



Because women have just recently won any rights to 'equality' and I work hard to set a good example of what 'equality' is to me. When I see people treating others like shit, and it when it's my own gender, I get upset because we're all supposed to be working together to be bridging the gender gap. I want my daughter to live in a world where men don't treat her like a piece of meat just because she has a vagina and I want my son to live in a world where women respect him for more than just his money or looks.

Since I'm not a man and don't deal with man things, I have no business pushing them to be more decent. I leave that to the decent ones in that gender.

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/10/2009 6:57:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

The op is only 23, her primary experience with groups of other women I venture to guess is not on a group of her mother's friends but from her school friends - all in the throes of puberty. Wait 20 years before you make pronouncements of this sort, I guarantee you will change your mind several times.


I never got much of a chance to be around children my own age since my parents home schooled me and pretty much shut me up in the house. I actually had to learn how to deal with people all on my own when I moved away from them. The people I identify best with are 30-50 year olds. I've based my opinions on that age group.

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/10/2009 7:03:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Why do you expect women to adhere to a higher standard? People are people, no one sex or gender has cornered the market on stupid or short sightedness. If you judged men by the same standards you judged women, you would rule out the entire human race.



Because women have just recently won any rights to 'equality' and I work hard to set a good example of what 'equality' is to me. When I see people treating others like shit, and it when it's my own gender, I get upset because we're all supposed to be working together to be bridging the gender gap. I want my daughter to live in a world where men don't treat her like a piece of meat just because she has a vagina and I want my son to live in a world where women respect him for more than just his money or looks.




So your setting a good example of equality between the genders by saying most women between the ages of 20-30 are mean spirited bitches? You don't want your daughter to be be treated like trash, but its perfectly acceptable for Mommy to call other women names because she doesn't like their attitude?


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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/10/2009 7:08:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy

Because women have just recently won any rights to 'equality' and I work hard to set a good example of what 'equality' is to me.

If you are manacled by some altruistic responsibility you now feel you must participate in and especially if you would make any declarative demands that other women must as well...then you have missed the entire point behind the plight for equal rights and equal freedoms for your gender.


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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/10/2009 9:08:33 PM   
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Firstly My experience has been quite different than the OP's. in over quarter of a century in the lifestyle I can honestly say that out of the hundreds (Or maybe thousands, I wasn't counting) "male subs" I've ever met I can count on the fingers of one hand those who came across as actually submissive to their Mistress rather than being a do-me bunny who's only actual submission was to their own dick!

I have seen more sulky brat behaviour from so called male subs than I have ever seen from femsubs. Also a difference in perception, I quite like a degree of child-like behaviour, however I have zero tolerance for child-ish behaviour.

Add to that the fact that I rarely just Top, so need a Dynamic that extends beyond simply the 'play' environment and My sexuality is straight so any Dynamic that touches on sexuality is going to rule out a male.... also, My flat and lifestyle doesn't have enough to warrant a  purely service submissive (My girl already complains about a lack of chores to do) and there simply isn't room in My life for a sub male. Nothing he could offer and nothing I am willing to give that would fulfil the needs of such.

Plus, if I did take on a service sub... a female is FAR more aesthetically pleasing to Me than any male so if I am going to have them in My home, doing chores when I am there, again I am going to choose a female over a male every time unless I am in the position to require a regular chore that needs a males strength.... given how infrequent that is the case currently I do those chores Myself! I'll turn the mattress (Pocket sprung and bloody heavy!), she can make the bed! (Not to mention that so many male subs are bloody wimps and couldn't do such chores any better than a female!)

Don't get Me wrong, I have played occassionaly with a male in the past and probably will in the future... most often it is when a Female Domme is asking for advice on some aspect of play technique and their boy just happens to be the most convenient demo bunny. I have no aversion to doing so, just no draw to have such in My regular life when there are far better options from My perspective.






I was having a similar discussion with a friend and he told me that one, he did not wish to have a sub who has more hair on their chest than he did and two, wonman submissives bring their children , men submissives bring their wives

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 4:55:29 AM   
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I was refering to mostly submissive females. Dominant women are just plain bitchy.


Maybe all the Dominant women YOU know are bitchy. At 19, you probably haven't met enough of them yet to say for sure that ALL Dominant women are bitchy.

I invest my energies in being a credible, level-headed problem solver. There are a number of Dommes on this board who are pragmatic, good-hearted and intelligent - not hammers who perceive every problem as a nail.

Don't confuse the real humans with the self-absorbed ones who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. The difference between 'bitchy' and 'assertive' is style.

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 5:32:47 AM   
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Well..I can do both, but heck the dudes I may be with are vanilla though they rarely interest me relationship wise.
However when it comes to friendships I often prefer the company of males to women..they're usually more laid back and casual
but of course I luv'em women! I kind of have no gender preference at all unless it's relationship wise, and more so if it's a bdsm relationship.


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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 10:07:41 AM   
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Women are bitchy. I agree on this. ALL women are bitchy. I do not think I have ever met a woman that does not enjoy having a bitchy attitude. But, most are only bitchy toward other women. When it comes to a male, they act much differently. Sometimes they are bitchy, other times they are little cock whores who suck up and give the pouty eyes to get a cock in their mouth. I praise you on bringing up the topic. ^^ Very good points. Don't listen to the women who say you are bitchy about them being bitchy, because they just don't want to admit being bitchy because they want to appear "perfectly innocent and submissive" which is just NOT the case.

I think its the hormones. Then again, I have estrogen and, well, I don't NORMALLY act bitchy, unless someone provokes it. Kay, MAYBE I do when the mood feels right...




You need to get out more and meet a larger variety of women.

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 10:14:28 AM   
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Crap.  Apparently I'm shallow.  I generally prefer men because they are the ones who have the penises (peni?). 

Nope, that doesn't mean your shallow, that just means you have a preference. Me, I prefer women because after I get play, I like to hug and women have breasts, which can be sooooo soft. It just depends on what ya like.

Respectfully,

amy

P.S.  Do they make realistic strapons that pulse and squirt?

actually, I think they do, but it's never been something I wanted, so I have never looked into it.




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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 11:24:39 AM   
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And that's a good thing, you might have put an eye out.

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P.S.  Do they make realistic strapons that pulse and squirt?

actually, I think they do, but it's never been something I wanted, so I have never looked into it.




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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 12:47:15 PM   
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Upon her departure from the from the National Women's Political Caucus, Shana Alexander summed it better than I ever could....

'The reason women are such crude, brutal and destructive combatants, I later decided, - the reason women fighters lack pace, grace, rhythm and mercy - is certainly not because we are subject to raging hormonal impulses as some men claim.  I think that the hair-trigger female fury, the surge to leap for the jugular at the merest drop of the glove, the readiness to 'drop the bomb on Luxembourg' results from the lack of a female tradition of chivalry'


Once again, I find myself disagreeing (while trying, certainly, to not be 'disagreeable' about it). I was raised among women born in the 1920s and '30s (my mother's friends), as I was late-born to my parents, and they were well established with an active social circle by the time they had children. Because of this, I was taught, from near-infancy about the manner of behavior expected between "women of dignity". I grew up, financially, on the lower end of the middle class, but my mother made sure that I was informed of the proper and civil behavior expected of a woman towards the other women and children of her community, from the newlywed of 20 who moved in up the street to the elder lady of 90 from whom I took piano lessons.

I, and the majority of the young women with whom I grew up (whose parents were raised in the same circles as my own parents) were -certainly- taught a code of "female chivalry". That they have dismissed and chosen to discard such does not mean that it did not exist (and still -does- exist for some of us).

In general, I think that chivalry and 'gentlemanly' and "ladylike" behavior have taken a beating in the past 30-40 years. The issue is not that there is no 'tradition' of these behaviors, but that we have chosen to discard them in the same manner as gloves, hats, and 'going calling' as an "unnecessary and cumbersome" aspect of communal behavior -- and it is my perception that our society is paying, in ways large and small, for our laziness -- not lack of knowledge, but a conscious and petty -dismissal- of good manners in general. I have seen it play out -here-, on these forums, as we backbite and snip at one another, choosing, because this is a virtually anonymous forum, to be as cruel, mean, and ruthless as we possibly can... and sadly, I have noticed that this behavior is creeping into our face-to-face encounters as well -- presumably because we get away with it on our daily (often copious) written communication, and start to question why we should hold back at -all- and behave with any kind of decorum, even face to face... ("If they don't like me the way I -AM-, they can just 'stuff it'" mentality).

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RE: Why I prefer men over women - 9/11/2009 1:44:38 PM   
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When I am interested in finding a submissive partner, and I'm not in a 'battle of the switching' I am only interested in male submissives. I am a straight female, so people would assume that this is what I would want, but I'm not necessarily looking for a straight partner to also engage in sexual play with either.

This morning when the dog woke me up too early, I just randomly landed on this subject to think about. I wondered why I never look for female submissives. I wouldn't care if she's straight or gay, just like I don't care if my males are straight or gay. It also doesn't have anything to do with the revulsion I have to the idea of lesbian sex, even though that does pop up in my head as something I'd have to cover to make it clear it won't happen.

My reason is that the women I've encountered in daily life and the submissives I've been around while in groups and going to munches have been predominantly rude, bitchy, pushy, and just plain annoying. Men can also be those things, but I don't take it so personally. When a woman acts like a child, I feel like she's trying to undermine women everywhere who have been fighting hard to be taken seriously in their lives. I expect people who are adults to act like adults instead of throwing temper tantrums. If a man did that, he'd get slapped with 'crazy' and women would avoid him if they were smart. If a woman does it, men still want to have sex with her.

If I am looking for a dominant, the same applies. I try to tone down the judgement, but I'm very harsh on my own gender because I have high expectations. I would be looking for a very long time if I were open to a female dominant rather than a male one. I realize there are tons of female dominants out there who are good people, but they would have to fit all the other requirements I would need if I were looking for a dominant partner.

So that's my reason that I am not interested in a females. I find the female body beautiful, but I dislike the general attitudes that come with it.

I realize there are a lot of bisexual or more open people than I am, but for those who only stick with one gender why do YOU do it? Is it as simple as no attraction to the other or is there another reason?


i catagorize submissive women/men into a few catagories.

-people who enjoy just the kink in the bed room
-people who enjoy the control/kink in all areas.
-people who dont enjoy either but try and force themselves to be.
-people who are looking for abusive relationships
-people who are just looking for attention.

this means along the way you are going to meet people in both groups that are unresponsive to questions, somewhat defensive or cruel when they feel their position is threatened.

also the bdsm community doesnt always bring along mentally healthy people, not that it matters, but some people have lots of disorders, ocd, bi polar, previous experiances that cause them to have flash backs and freak out. i say judge everyone as you meet them, some people are not going to respond well to you because of you. other people arent going to respond well to you because of themselves. some there just might not be a connection. why does it have to be sorted by sex? 

i mean to critizies one group over the other because of munches is kind of silly.. i mean who cares.. i would pick the -person- that reacts best to you. someone that you can spend time with and enjoy being around for long periods of time. someone who is what you want in the kink... whatever group you fall into (or mixed groups), as long as you and your partner are getting everything you need and want from that relationship i could care less if its a man/man or man/woman or woman/woman. if youre a straight female or male, you are going to be attracted to the opposite sex, mystery solved, you will have more stimulation with them then any other sex.   if you are a gay man/woman you are going to be attracted to the same sex, i mean this isn't hard.


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