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RE: Torture - 9/10/2009 9:50:12 PM   
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This is a different sort of topic.  I have lately been wondering about real torture in the original sense.  Not in the submissive sense.  What I mean is this.  I have been thinking it would be a great experiment to be bound and helpless and be forced to do or say things I would never so without the torture.  I have some very hard limits and would have to be in very severe pain to do them.
Thoughts?

You mean THIS kind of torture?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs

Aaaarrrgggghhhh, mercy please!!!!!

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RE: Torture - 9/12/2009 3:03:42 PM   
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I have lately been wondering about real torture in the original sense.



Here ya go...

Click --->  http://www.medievality.com/torture.html


Enjoy!!!



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RE: Torture - 9/12/2009 10:29:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, now if you combine that with making him listen to "mmmbop" repeaditly, i think he'd do anything :o)

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RE: Torture - 9/13/2009 12:34:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: billyInAustin


This is a different sort of topic.  I have lately been wondering about real torture in the original sense.  Not in the submissive sense.  What I mean is this.  I have been thinking it would be a great experiment to be bound and helpless and be forced to do or say things I would never so without the torture.  I have some very hard limits and would have to be in very severe pain to do them.
Thoughts?


If you are asking someone to break your own hard limits, then this experience needs to stay a fantasy

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RE: Torture - 9/13/2009 8:16:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: billyInAustin


This is a different sort of topic.  I have lately been wondering about real torture in the original sense.  Not in the submissive sense.  What I mean is this.  I have been thinking it would be a great experiment to be bound and helpless and be forced to do or say things I would never so without the torture.  I have some very hard limits and would have to be in very severe pain to do them.
Thoughts?


If you're bound and helpless, why would you need the torture to do these things?  If you're helpless to resist, you'd have to do whatever it is anyway.  That being said, being tortured can bring on some nasty P.T.S.D.

Thoughts?  Honestly, my thoughts are this.....you're asking for wank fodder.

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RE: Torture - 9/13/2009 9:01:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		That sweetsub is the best understatement of the decade, and that is only of you have enough mind left to even be aware in order to suffer P.T.S.D. not to mention the probability of permanent crippling physical injuries.


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RE: Torture - 9/13/2009 9:54:20 AM   
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My first thought was what they did to William Wallace (Mel Gibson) in Braveheart. Made me hurt. Or anything in the SAW movies.


I know what you mean, Braveheart got to me too.

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RE: Torture - 9/13/2009 10:57:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		but in the end what you are describing is submission.  just getting someone to the point of agreeing to something like this is at a level of submission that many Ds or Ms folk would have to seriously consider first and only with someone they absolutely trusted from both sides of the kneel.

but my mind leaps to things like waterboarding   and there are other torture methods that spring to mind that have been adopted purely and simply because they are supremely effective in creating abject and absolute misery.  to enter into a domain where someone had been given free rein to just inflict these methods with complete impunity is a little bit off the map for me and hard to get my head around.

but its still submission, whichever way you wrap it up in youre head, it would have to be, because they would either have to kill you or suffer the law suit that would follow them in hot pursuit.  which is why this is fantasy and why safe, sane and concensual is an absolute necessity.

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RE: Torture - 9/13/2009 11:43:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: billyInAustin

I have lately been wondering about real torture in the original sense.



Here ya go...

Click --->  http://www.medievality.com/torture.html


Enjoy!!!




Thanks for that link

I think I would opt to put him in the dunking chair. If he comes up alive he's guilty but if he's dead then he's a 'true submissive'


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RE: Torture - 9/14/2009 7:36:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		crap.  Just tie him to the bedposts and then slowly tickle his feet..lololol . There are many many forms of Torture that while seem funny to another is too much to handle for others...but having said that..using such to drive a person past their hard limits...usually means the couples spits later..Thats the real bottom line....

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RE: Torture - 9/14/2009 7:42:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is torture for some may be pleasure for others. One local male sub has been power flogged with a whipper snipper (weed wacker) using the nylon cord and has also been flogged with barbed wire, willingly at his request. Now this is a tad extreme and for me I'd add both these to the torture regime. 

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RE: Torture - 9/14/2009 7:54:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as the pain element goes, one person's torture is another's walk in the park. I think the part that people underestimate when they talk about wanting REAL torture is the psychological elements. Those things are no small trifle and if people are going to play around with them, they'd better be damned sure they know what they are doing, the potential consequences, and be prepared to bear those consequences. For play purposes one would be tettering on the edge of, at the very least mentally breaking a person and that scale can tip so quickly as to be frightening. Once a person breaks, it's a done deal. It is what it is. Forget trust and communication (well, don't, but...) experience and the ability to properly control the session would be essential here and still remains absolutely no guarantee. It's a game with some real life, high stakes consequences. When overly drown in fantasy, people seem to forget that.

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RE: Torture - 9/14/2009 8:00:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes you just can't put the mind back together again after real life torture. In the hands of an accomplished interrogator, often brutality is not needed and the subtlest of tortures leaves the victim doubting their own sanity and all they have in the past believed in. Again often drugs/chemicals are used instead of bone breaking and flesh ripping equipment. 

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RE: Torture - 9/14/2009 8:08:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup. Not to be screwed around with and not nearly the hot fantasy that people cook up. Real torture is ugly, plain and simple. Brutality isn't even the issue. I wish folks really understood, but I don't know that it is possible without having some experiences that do not lend themselves to discussion. It's too late after the fantasy has gone horribly wrong. I can't emphasize caution nearly strongly enough in this regard.

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RE: Torture - 9/15/2009 12:00:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		'Well, my thought is more of a question:  Do you REALLY know what torture is? '

In actual terms or according to the US government?

Still, i'd take physical torture over having to listen to any of william shatners albums...or worse....a william shatner/celine dion duet

on another note, I might point out that today torture (at least as used to extract information) is almost entirely psychological. A person becomes immune to physical torture after awhile, as well as the fact that if you torture soemone long enough they are capable of telling you anything you want to hear just for it to stop. It is not reliable. Drugs, hypnosis and similar techniques, while effective to a degree, are of use more in extracting gross information rather than the details. Therefore their uses are also limited.

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RE: Torture - 9/15/2009 12:03:57 AM   
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RE: Torture - 9/18/2009 4:41:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

If they submit from the torture, then they actually consent all along, they just wanted to play out the emotions of the role play. If they honestly do not wish to continue, the top is a violent criminal.

I'll point out that role playing "torture", rape, forced bisexuality can all feel very real. And there can be very real internal struggle as well. But in the end, it's all a game.


I agree about the roleplay aspect, but the OP clearly stated
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real torture in the original sense. Not in the submissive sense


To me it seems utterly insane to offer oneself up like a lamb to the slaughter. After all what happens when the victim does not want to continue after the torturer says, "And now I'm going to slit your throat!" ?

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