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maybemaybenot -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/17/2009 5:31:06 AM)

One ACORN insider estimated that the group, and groups affiliated with it, recieve $1.5 million to 2 million annually from the Federal Government, with the bulk of the groups' money coming from state and local governments.
A recent investigation by the office of Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) — another vocal ACORN critic — concluded that the organization had gotten at least $53 million from federal agencies since 1994. GOP aides said that total "does not count the untold millions more that ACORN has received indirectly through state and local agencies that receive federal block grants."

Brian Kettenring, an ACORN spokesman, said that the lion's share of the federal money went to the ACORN Housing Corp. for its work on first-time home buyer counseling and, more recently, foreclosure prevention.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58F5JP20090916

So, ACORN's website says they don't receive federal money BUT their representitve says they do and an " insider " < employee, most likely> says they do recieve federal money. Maybe that will muddy things up a little more for you, Rule.

                                                      mbmbn




tazzygirl -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/17/2009 5:46:29 AM)

Isnt the housing part of Acorn under HUD?




TreasureKY -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/17/2009 6:06:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

No, I'm a little confused by exactly what is going on here.


I can understand how many could find the entire situation confusing, but it really all boils down to a fairly simple issue.  If people would stop trying to obfuscate it with shadows of political retribution and vendetta they might be able to see past the nose on the end of their faces.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

First, if they list on their website and in their publications that they do not accept federal funding but actually do, that is a clear case of fraud, and something I'm sure would have been jumped on by their opponents long ago.


Semantics. 

Does ACORN receive money from the Federal Government to fund its operations... pay its employees, rent, utilities and other operating expenses? 

So it would seem not.

Do they operate as an "intermediary" for the Federal Government, helping people locate, qualify, and apply for Federal funding?

Yes.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Second, the amendment you are referring to cut off funding to Acorn Housing Corporation which is run separately from Acorn and its funding cannot be used to finance the organization but is directed at specific purposes.


Precisely.

And rightfully so...

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

My guess is the Republicans saw a golden opportunity to prove their witch hunt was right and the spineless Democrats were too afraid to vote against it because of all the negative publicity this particular incident generated.

PolitiFact | Bachmann claims ACORN has access to $8.5 billion in...

ACORN has a complex corporate structure. It's actually a network of affiliates. The ACORN that Republicans love to hate gets involved in political activity like voter registration. But there are other entities, like the sister company, ACORN Housing Corporation, a nonprofit that provides free housing counseling to low and moderate income homebuyers.

.............An affiliate like ACORN Housing could conceivably apply for a grant to build an affordable housing project, or to buy, fix and sell abandoned homes, but that's exactly what the money would have to be used for. Suggestions that one of the affiliates might funnel money to ACORN for political activity is, so far, unsubstantiated conjecture. And then there's the matter of trying to make a splash by throwing out the massive $8.5 billion number, suggesting ACORN "could get" it, as in all of it. That's absurd. We rule Bachmann's statement False.


And here's where you lose sight of the issue.

It doesn't matter that I'm a conservative.  It doesn't matter that I don't care for ACORN's political activities.  It wouldn't even matter if I had a personal desire to bring down and destroy ACORN and everything it stands for.

That's not the issue.

The issue is that an agency that facilitates the application for and use of Federal funding appears to have serious problems in screening and managing its employees... some of whom appear to have no compunction in assisting, through fraudulent and unlawful means, individuals who would not be qualified to receive that funding.

This isn't a "Republicans against Democrats" thing.  It's the taxpayers representatives removing the right of ACORN to act in the capacity as an agent for unlawful and unqualified individuals to obtain Federal funding.

ACORN isn't closed down.  See Tazzy's post above... they have plenty of funds to continue operating.  They can just no longer help people get Federal funding.

And Federal funding for housing has not been stopped.  There's still plenty of agencies who continue to help people apply for assistance...

Agencies who, hopefully, have better processes in place to hire employees who won't be helping law-breaking individuals obtain Federal funds through fraudulent means...

And in the long run ensure that there is more funding available for the needy who are truly deserving.




thornhappy -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/17/2009 9:28:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I just heard a Glenn Beck clip in which he pointed out that the government can't do health care because the system is corrupt,  and he makes a good point. Such crimes aren't even reported in the major media,....

NPR doesn't count, eh?

Or the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/us/politics/17acorn.html?_r=1&ref=politics




Sanity -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/18/2009 4:02:13 AM)


From your link:

"Acorn Orders Inquiry..."

Nice little puff piece, that. ACORN's gonna get those guys...

Its a week late and a pound short. If this had been a Republican scandal they would have tied it around the neck of any conservative politician that had even been near the organization and trumpeted the filthiest parts of the story in their front page headlines for months.

"BUSH'S ACORN THIS" and "BUSH'S ACORN THAT"

But since this is a Democrat scandal with ties to Obama it's one little blurb on page sixteen or whatever it is, a week after the scandal erupts, about how "poor little ACORN" is working hard to correct a minor glitch at one of its offices.






Sanity -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/18/2009 7:01:24 AM)


Hey Jimmy!

Are you gonna call Jay Leno a racist now, too?  [:D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2k5Yi5pboA&feature=player_embedded#t=103




OrionTheWolf -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/18/2009 8:18:25 AM)

From what I researched they get grants from HUD, but are not "under" it. The one I saw showed they actually got less then many other housing assistance agencies, it was about $330,000 I believe. That was just one grant they got a portion of. The problem is verifying any of this stuff, as the high figures come from sources that are against ACORN, and the low figures or the bait and switch comes from those that support ACORN.

The independent investigation and audit may reveal actual figures.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Isnt the housing part of Acorn under HUD?




tazzygirl -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/18/2009 8:24:33 AM)

At this rate, many agencies need to go through the same investigations... along with banks, financial firms, car companies, ect ect ect




OrionTheWolf -> RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's (9/18/2009 9:21:35 AM)

You got that right. Part of my business it assisting companies to be prepared for audits. You would be amazed at how many multi million dollar businesses have no clue about accounting procedures.




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