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Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 6:09:22 AM   
WhipMaster1962


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Status: offline 		This has been on my mind for awhile now. I have been menber here now for almost a year now, and here lately I have been seeing more and more profiles that dont fallow the rules. The rules state that when making a profile that there is to be no mention of finnacial slveary. It is not just the Dom/Dommes I have also seen a few subs doing the same thing. I for one will not ask a sub/slave for more then they are willing to give.
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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 6:27:03 AM   
DiannaVesta


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Status: offline 		I do understand their position on this, however I also know that Financial Slavery is a scene like anything else. I also feel that I would want to know up front. I don’t play games nor will I allow my time to be wasted so I’m very detailed on what my expectations are.

If a person expects tribute for training or service, whatever that means; gifts, money, services, then they should be able to say so right in their ad. If someone doesn’t want to contact them because of this they know straight up front.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 6:37:11 AM   
krikket


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Status: offline 		i think this is just one more facit of D/s that some want and some don't. If i'm reading a profile were gifts are required i simply hit next and if i receive a letter from someone who expects gifts i write back and say..no thanks just like i do if other things are mentioned that i'm not interested don't want to participate in.

There are lots of things here (i.e. pictures, journals, and forum entries, for example) that don't exactly follow the rules, but considering the number of those that hit the boards, i figure all things can't be caught. If it's something i find truly offensive i've been known to press the support button on the bottom of the pages and say something, but most of the time i figure it's no biggie.

just my 2 cents worth...

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 7:57:55 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		I agree with the two ladies, it's just another facet of wiitwd. If a Master/Mistress requires the slave work and provide something to his/her house then that upto them. I see nothing wrong with it unless it becomes abusive. As for it being in their profile it is better to have it out front then for it to be sprung on someone who is unsuspecting when it is too late. Live and let live.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 9:32:38 AM   
dincubus


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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

I agree with the two ladies, it's just another facet of wiitwd. If a Master/Mistress requires the slave work and provide something to his/her house then that upto them. I see nothing wrong with it unless it becomes abusive. As for it being in their profile it is better to have it out front then for it to be sprung on someone who is unsuspecting when it is too late. Live and let live.


Personally i would not ask to be given anything by any sub i might have. If they were indeed living with me, then and only then would i expect a sharing of the house costs.. (i.e. rent, insurance, utilities) but that is normal with any sort of room mate/significant other living situation.
Financial Slavery, to me would be bordering on exploitation. I realize that this is my personal opinion, and i do not bash others that would choose to do this, it is just not my cup of tea so to speak.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 10:15:57 AM   
DragonNphoenix


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Status: offline 		I agree. I would rather know in advance if there is any financial dealings. My Dragon has complete control of the House funds... but this something that I gave to him, not something that he required of me.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 10:35:30 AM   
SirKenin


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From: Barrie, ON Canada
Status: offline 		I look at it like this. There will always be people that abuse the system for their own gain. It is like a pimp that tries to cash in on the sex trade. There are pimps in the BDSM world that try to take advantage of people for their own gain. I suppose the world turns a blind eye to prostitution, so we can just as easily turn a blind eye to this too. The thing is, I am not sure which you can rate lower. The people that take advantage of people, or the poor suckers that actually fall for it. The best way to get rid of these buzzards is to not pay any heed to them. There are plenty of Masters and Mistresses out there that do not have their hands in your pockets like the bank...

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 10:44:51 AM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		I would remind the OP that this particular rule was not in effect until a short while ago. I am sure there are many, many profiles that existed within the TOS prior to this added "rule". I did not notice it Myself, until I checked (just now) as a result of this post. Perhaps reviewers are re-checking profiles as we post on this board, to advise members of certain, now unacceptable verbage. More work for these volunteers. Since all profiles have to be approved, I am sure any new ones, since this change, mentioning financial slavery, have not been approved.
That said, I agree with the others that it is better to have it clearly spelled out up front, and a viewer does not have to contact that profile if it makes them uncomfortable. I also feel any submissive who includes their income and/or makes mention of financial domination in their profiles are just begging for a slew of emails from every unethical cyber dominant ready to take advantage. It should not have to be up to "Big Brother" to keep you safe on the internet. We are supposed to be adults.
I have a feel for why this rule may have been implemented, and I am sympathetic to the burden of the site owners. I just think it is a shame that people automatically expect iron clad protection. Sorry if it offends, but there are many relationships that include financial control in some capacity as an element of D/s or M/s. This rule will not stop Me, or others, from making that clear in an exploratory phase. And this rule does not prevent anyone from responding to an email with a request for "tribute". This rule may give a false impression that finances never come into the equation. Because "financial slavery" is different from a D/s or M/s relationship that includes financial control. At least in My mind, it is.
So what have we accomplished here?

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 2/27/2006 10:45:49 AM >

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 10:47:09 AM   
MasterOwnskitty


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quote:

The rules state that when making a profile that there is to be no mention of finnacial slveary.


I think that's a good rule because of the charlatans out there.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 10:56:16 AM   
GoddessDustyGold


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterOwnskitty

I think that's a good rule because of the charlatans out there.


I appreciate your feeling. However, I still believe that for every profile that is up front about the term "financial slavery", there is, easily, an equal number which say nothing of the kind in a profile, but will bring it up in email or private instant message.
YMMV

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 11:38:43 AM   
RavenMuse


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dincubus
Personally i would not ask to be given anything by any sub i might have. If they were indeed living with me, then and only then would i expect a sharing of the house costs.. (i.e. rent, insurance, utilities) but that is normal with any sort of room mate/significant other living situation.
Financial Slavery, to me would be bordering on exploitation. I realize that this is my personal opinion, and i do not bash others that would choose to do this, it is just not my cup of tea so to speak.


Absolutely. For me it is a pride thing, I have been sponged off before, used as a meal ticket and it isn't a nice feeling to think your wallet is cared about more than you are. I won't live off another. Period!

I don't have any problem with those who take a diffrent approach, if it floats their boat and the other person is happy then it is none of my business, but thats as close as I want to be to it.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 11:59:28 AM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		This has been mentioned before, that there was NOT supposed to be any mention of money/financial slavery,however, I have just reviewed the TOS and cannot find any mention of it. If somebody would be so kind as to point out which section of the TOS prohibits it....

That being said, unless the rule is meant to protect collarme frombeing charged with some prostitution related charge, I cannot see the purpose or value of such a rule, as I agree with those who would prefer to know if money were expected upfront, rather than to find out later on.

< Message edited by Arpig -- 2/27/2006 12:01:27 PM >

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 12:08:40 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

This has been mentioned before, that there was NOT supposed to be any mention of money/financial slavery,however, I have just reviewed the TOS and cannot find any mention of it. If somebody would be so kind as to point out which section of the TOS prohibits it....



Not sure if the TOS was changed to reflect this. It is clearly stated above the space where a user will either type out a profile or update a profile as:

No Contact Info: Phone, Email, Instant Messenger.
No links to websites.
No Criticism of other users. No mention of illegal activities.
No references to financial slavery.

I haven't updated My profile in a few months, and I did not notice this particular "rule" back in October...November??? But I could have missed it, since it did not affect Me either way.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 1:41:58 PM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		Simple solution... Do not feed the leeches.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 2:23:14 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		Thank you GDG....I had not noticed that when I last updated my profile...likely because it doesn't affect me either.
Well in that case it seems pretty clear, if you object to the mention of tribute/gifts/whatever,then you can report the offending profiles, and if you don't object (and I don't),then you just keep on surfing



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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/27/2006 6:43:26 PM   
Petruchio


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Status: offline 		It can easily become a matter of exploitation, particularly if it gets into sub-space.

Some have tried to evade the rules, but– speaking as one who doesn't much like rules– this is probably a wise one.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/28/2006 4:39:01 PM   
MichMasochist


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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipMaster1962

This has been on my mind for awhile now. I have been menber here now for almost a year now, and here lately I have been seeing more and more profiles that dont fallow the rules. The rules state that when making a profile that there is to be no mention of finnacial slveary. It is not just the Dom/Dommes I have also seen a few subs doing the same thing. I for one will not ask a sub/slave for more then they are willing to give.



Yep here we go again. There's another thread with pretty much the same theme.

My opinion on this is simple. If he/she either implies or expresses some form of pecuniary compensation, (money or gifts), for their time and or services is required. Then I cannot consider them to be anything other than what it sounds, reads, like. Some one looking for a trick to turn. Just surf on threw to the next add is what I do.


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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/28/2006 5:01:05 PM   
BeeQueen


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Status: offline 		my thoughts on that r pretty relaxed
we are all adults with a bit of lifeexperiance ...and hopefully some common sense

as to bending the board rules - who of u always puts the safty belt on in car? who always follows all rules that society puts on u? never cross a road when the light for u is red? never speed on a highway?

no angels out there...but just human

so if it really bugs u - report it

other than that...i dont care neither for those that offer nore those that ask for

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/28/2006 5:03:36 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		Finacial slavery is not always about taking their money for yourself. To me Responcible slavery of fiancases would be someone who managed the money, making sure enough was being put and kept into savings. Making sure I wasn't spending money on stupid things, like the one time I spent 500 dollars on porn in two days.

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RE: Financial Tribute - 2/28/2006 5:19:41 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		BeeQueen I always put a seat belt on first thing getting into the car, and when my nieces ride with my mom and I , I make them put theirs on too.

If I am in a car that's on the road my seatbelt is on, Unless we're parked somewhere waiting for someone to get out of a store or something.

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