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MMagic -> And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 12:18:01 PM)

So I'm a free agent again in such a short time.  My Dom has dumped me (for my friend no less) but I'll get into that in a bit.
Well actually i'll get into it now.  I had been asked by him to not share personal things on the forums or my journal, him knowing full well that's how I work through things. Writing.

So I didn't and I will try to keep it classy even now. After I'm the jilted one, but I believe in Karma.  He will have the same happen to him and 3 fold.

I met this Dom and he was so sweet and romantic and wanted to do all these things for me. Things I didn't feel comfortable with because it's just been me taking care of me for so long. It's rather overwhelming to have someone step into your life and offer to take care of you completely.  I have trust issues of a major variety.  I was raped when I was 5 and my therapist said I never developed the ability to trust people and that i'd have to work extra hard to learn this skill.  So I do, I work really hard at it and I tell people that earning my trust is truly a gift.  A gift I can't give more than once, not fully anyway. Breach said trust and I may never trust you again.  It's not that I don't want to, just can't.

So I met this Dom and he's been good to me up until a point. I start to notice that the things he loved about me became annoying or I was trying to control things.  Simply put if I he said to me do something such as wear purple shoes and I said, but Sir I don't have any purple shoes, he would spend hours going over how come I didn't go check to be SURE I had purple shoes or I should have gone and bought some.  Yes I don't mind buying some at all, but there is only one car here since I work at home and if it's not here then I can't go right out and get them then.  I can later and will do so gladly if I don't forget to that is.  I lead a very busy life and it's not always easy to remember things.  He always said that meant I didn't care, I said it's not that, it's that i'm very busy. I have to set reminders to pick up my daughter in the afternoon, that's how busy I am.  I spent most every day all day talking to him, IMs phone and it was always come here, come be with me, I love you and a friend of mine who is a sub got to listening to me gush about him and decided to test him out, with her OWN Dom's (also a friends) permission of course.  He failed miserably and lied to me about it.  She signed up here on CM and talked to him and he came on to her and lied to me about it when I confronted him.

He then tried to tell me this morning, as I'm crying and broken hearted and saying if you want her I'll back out, that he doesn't want to back out, he was trying to teach me a lesson, and get my attention.  That once I saw how easy it was for someone else to step in I would straighten up.  Meanwhile emailing her asking her to tell him about her and talking bad about me.  She became infuriated and forwarded it to me and I said I know I said it was over but we were talking like we were moving toward a reconciliation...and you tell HER you're free, let's see what we can see?  I said ok so you don't want to work this out, we're over am I understanding you clearly?  He refused to answer and then finally makes me read the first line of the email he sent her, which said Yes, I'm Free.  I said alright and hung up and he fired back, oh hanging up was classy.

Masters here, why should I stay on the phone after that?  Did I miss some protocol?  And him knowing about me, what you now know, why would breaking my heart be a punishment?  Hurt me = me not trust you, how does THAT translate to punishment and teaching me a lesson and THEN dumping me.

Did I miss something here?






pyroaquatic -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 12:21:36 PM)

I do not know the FULL story. There is the side that is not here, your former dominant.

My only question is: How old are the parties in question? This dominant sounds immature.




MMagic -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 12:54:29 PM)

He's about to be 31 and I'm 36.




Chimortis -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 1:17:37 PM)

Ages don't mean anything when it comes to maturity. I've been involved with a lot of people from a variety of age groups. In the real world, every individual is a unique human being.

MMagic, it sounds like you had a decent relationship for a while and then got hurt. It happens a lot in the BDSM scene and it happens a lot in the vanilla dating scene. Take some time, eat some ice cream, vent to your friends, and when you're ready, move on and try again to find true love.

That's all any of us can do.




lally2 -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 1:38:01 PM)

um, no, i dont believe you have missed anything.  he got caught out and then tried to save face and manipulate you by calling it a punishment and a wake up call.  i would have blown a fuse too - now ask youreself why you  blew a fuse.

youre submission got twisted back at you as a weapon
he lied when hes supposed to be someone you trust
youre friend is complicit in this, which is a double wammy hurt/broken trust
instead of being 'man' about it he wimped out and blamed you (ach!!!)
in short he fell short in youre eyes right there, right then on about every single level he could possibly have fallen short on.

so no, you didnt miss anything and im really sorry youre hurting like this, the turmoil is awful and what you did was a gut feeling response. 

and i believe in karma too [:)] -




lovingpet -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 1:41:36 PM)

I'm going to sound like a royal bitch here, but what were you doing testing and playing this petty game in the first place? Did you trust him? If not, then I don't know why you were already into such heavy dynamics. What I find interesting from following your posts is that it appears that you trust way too easily. You say it is not so and that you actually have trouble trusting. I have to wonder why you are giving so much of yourself to someone you do not trust. Do you assume it's just going to be taken anyway, so it may as well happen on your own terms?

What he did was wrong, as far as you tell it. I am not going to dispute that. Some people don't know how to handle delicate things. I am sorry you have been hurt like this. I hope in time you will heal and learn to trust again. I know it is hard. Take the time and work on yourself, not just to take care of yourself in the independent vein, but also to grow these areas so badly injured from your past and now with this relationship. Wounds are temporary, but scars always remain. Honor the pain, but move forward to a brighter tomorrow. Hugs darlin!

lovingpet




DemonKia -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 1:46:01 PM)

FR, after read thru

I can only speak to one detail in the OP that I noticed, which resonated with stuff of mine.

When I notice myself or my intimate other(s) saying stuff along the lines of 'this meant that' & 'what did this mean?' & 'he meant something else than what it sounded like', I see these as 'meaning' that there's not enough straightforward communication going on. I lean towards the idea that 'too much communication' is better than it's opposite . . . . & to that end, there should be a lot of work done to minimize the need (on both sides of any romantic-sexual-BDSM dyad) to guess what the other person thinks, wants, etc . . . . .

& if the other does not want that level of communication? They're incompatible, & discovering that signals the off-ramp, for me . . . . . .

There are plenty of people out there who do want to communicate, who do want to move forward in a relationship, who do like working to control & minimize the roadblocks in their lives, & I prefer to pick from that group . . . . .

& you have every right, OP, to pursue that which brings you growth & long-term satisfaction . . . .




Acer49 -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 1:55:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MMagic

So I'm a free agent again in such a short time.  My Dom has dumped me (for my friend no less) but I'll get into that in a bit.
Well actually i'll get into it now.  I had been asked by him to not share personal things on the forums or my journal, him knowing full well that's how I work through things. Writing.

So I didn't and I will try to keep it classy even now. After I'm the jilted one, but I believe in Karma.  He will have the same happen to him and 3 fold.

I met this Dom and he was so sweet and romantic and wanted to do all these things for me. Things I didn't feel comfortable with because it's just been me taking care of me for so long. It's rather overwhelming to have someone step into your life and offer to take care of you completely.  I have trust issues of a major variety.  I was raped when I was 5 and my therapist said I never developed the ability to trust people and that i'd have to work extra hard to learn this skill.  So I do, I work really hard at it and I tell people that earning my trust is truly a gift.  A gift I can't give more than once, not fully anyway. Breach said trust and I may never trust you again.  It's not that I don't want to, just can't.

So I met this Dom and he's been good to me up until a point. I start to notice that the things he loved about me became annoying or I was trying to control things.  Simply put if I he said to me do something such as wear purple shoes and I said, but Sir I don't have any purple shoes, he would spend hours going over how come I didn't go check to be SURE I had purple shoes or I should have gone and bought some.  Yes I don't mind buying some at all, but there is only one car here since I work at home and if it's not here then I can't go right out and get them then.  I can later and will do so gladly if I don't forget to that is.  I lead a very busy life and it's not always easy to remember things.  He always said that meant I didn't care, I said it's not that, it's that i'm very busy. I have to set reminders to pick up my daughter in the afternoon, that's how busy I am.  I spent most every day all day talking to him, IMs phone and it was always come here, come be with me, I love you and a friend of mine who is a sub got to listening to me gush about him and decided to test him out, with her OWN Dom's (also a friends) permission of course.  He failed miserably and lied to me about it.  She signed up here on CM and talked to him and he came on to her and lied to me about it when I confronted him.

He then tried to tell me this morning, as I'm crying and broken hearted and saying if you want her I'll back out, that he doesn't want to back out, he was trying to teach me a lesson, and get my attention.  That once I saw how easy it was for someone else to step in I would straighten up.  Meanwhile emailing her asking her to tell him about her and talking bad about me.  She became infuriated and forwarded it to me and I said I know I said it was over but we were talking like we were moving toward a reconciliation...and you tell HER you're free, let's see what we can see?  I said ok so you don't want to work this out, we're over am I understanding you clearly?  He refused to answer and then finally makes me read the first line of the email he sent her, which said Yes, I'm Free.  I said alright and hung up and he fired back, oh hanging up was classy.

Masters here, why should I stay on the phone after that?  Did I miss some protocol?  And him knowing about me, what you now know, why would breaking my heart be a punishment?  Hurt me = me not trust you, how does THAT translate to punishment and teaching me a lesson and THEN dumping me.

Did I miss something here?





Teach you a lesson? and pigs fly too. NOT!!! He simply got caught with his pants down and trying to cover his pathetic ass. Your hanging up was after the email which was used to tell you you were released, so there was no breach of protocol and no reason to stay of the phone




Chimortis -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 2:00:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet
What I find interesting from following your posts is that it appears that you trust way too easily. You say it is not so and that you actually have trouble trusting.


This is a pattern that I have noticed among people in general over the years, when in the context of intimate relationships. In fact, I was once totally guilty of that.

I could analyze more, but I probably shouldn't. I'll keep it short. Someone who has been through what the OP has is probably desperate to find someone, and probably suffers from depression. She's probably all too willing to trust because she needs the attention from someone but at the same time is unable to *genuinely* trust. She probably also has a tendency to find and/or attractive untrustworthy people.

That's just my take, of course, but I do have a lot of experience in dealing with people who have complicated mental and emotional baggage.




CalifChick -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 3:00:47 PM)

If you have to "test" someone, it's already too late.  Time to walk away.

Cali




MMagic -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 3:16:33 PM)

Alright let me quickly run down the posts here

I don't think you're a royal bitch lovingpet.  I didn't start the game, my FRIEND didn't trust him, I did.  I'm very much a geek and could find out anything I wanted about him without him knowing I did, sitting right here in front of this computer, but I digress. I never did because I went into this TRYING to trust someone who said they could be trusted.  When she, in listening to me talk about how he's so into me I'm so into him he's not interested in anyone else I love that, saw that not only did he respond to her when she complimented him, he responded inappropriately.  He's telling me baby baby I love you, meanwhile trying to get with her. She, being a friend OF COURSE told me, if he's doing this to me he's probably talking to other women too.

My problem is not that he is...my problem is lying about it when confronted.  As for the person who says I trust easily and it's a pattern with my posts. I dont know WHERE you got this from. This is my FIRST Dom, there is no pattern to follow yet.  The only other Dom here I talked to I was mad at because HE also lied but nothing has happened there other than a hello how are you ever now and again from him.  So once again..huh?

As to my psychoanalysis..partially right partially wrong.  I do suffer depression, I prefer to be alone most times because of my RL job where I am ALWAYS center stage and I don't like it. Prefer being alone, somewhere quiet with someone I love, killing things on Xbox, so no I don't want the attention I get more than enough unwanted attention as it is.  I wouldn't have talked to him all day every day if I didn't enjoy it for one and for two he seemed to like it too.  Wrong again Mag!

And demonkia thank you I needed to see that. I tried explaining how I think, how I walk talk and behave and I was told I was PURPOSELY hurting his feelings..by simply being me.  The person he said he loved.  I explain me because I get that no one else is in my head but me and only I truly understand what I mean when I say things. So once I explain I feel like the other person should understand that certain things I do are not to hurt your feelings it's simply who I am.  Point it out to me at the time and we'll see if I can find an alternative way to NOT hurt your feelings but don't get pissy every time and say...oh you did it again. Of course I did it again, I've been doing it for 36 years!  I can't just turn it off, but that's why I thought you were the Dom..point it out so I can work at it especially since i'm new to this. 

I'm trying hard to NOT be a bitch toward him but everytime I do email to ask the cost of giving him money back for gifts and I get that they are gifts but I don't want it said (and I've heard him do this) that I took advantage of him and he did blah blah for me.  He goes into a tirade about I had my chance to do right by him and I should have done this and that and so on and I've even called and yelled and said I don't want the speeches. If you don't want me then I don't have to hear it. My friend is not being so nice to him however and of course they are battling via emails and of COURSE he tosses a dig in at me every so often. YAY me. Boy can I pick 'em.




Sunnyfey -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 3:29:23 PM)

Or, you could just ignore all of it.

Your putting way too much effort into it. If you have any of his things, give them back, same with any of her things. Then lose the phone numbers and emails, IGNORE ALL CONTACT FROM THEM *if you don't, your feeding into their bullshit and letting them control you*  and move the fuck on with YOUR life. They will self destruct eventually. Fuck em. Least you found out now, instead of 20 years down the line that he is a sack of shit.




DemonKia -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 4:04:21 PM)

It's all a learning experience, especially the difficult, painful, disappointing, & etc stuff . . . . . Or, if you're like me, I get another opportunity to learn if the first one don't take so well . . .. .

[;)]

My advice in general is to stay focused on what you do want going on in your life, move towards that, & let everything else fall away . . . . (As much as practicable . . . . )

quote:

ORIGINAL: MMagic

...

And demonkia thank you I needed to see that. I tried explaining how I think, how I walk talk and behave and I was told I was PURPOSELY hurting his feelings..by simply being me.  The person he said he loved.  I explain me because I get that no one else is in my head but me and only I truly understand what I mean when I say things. So once I explain I feel like the other person should understand that certain things I do are not to hurt your feelings it's simply who I am.  Point it out to me at the time and we'll see if I can find an alternative way to NOT hurt your feelings but don't get pissy every time and say...oh you did it again. Of course I did it again, I've been doing it for 36 years!  I can't just turn it off, but that's why I thought you were the Dom..point it out so I can work at it especially since i'm new to this. 

I'm trying hard to NOT be a bitch toward him but everytime I do email to ask the cost of giving him money back for gifts and I get that they are gifts but I don't want it said (and I've heard him do this) that I took advantage of him and he did blah blah for me.  He goes into a tirade about I had my chance to do right by him and I should have done this and that and so on and I've even called and yelled and said I don't want the speeches. If you don't want me then I don't have to hear it. My friend is not being so nice to him however and of course they are battling via emails and of COURSE he tosses a dig in at me every so often. YAY me. Boy can I pick 'em.





MMagic -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 5:32:41 PM)

I'm working on it. Just gotta pull through tonight. I make it through tonight and tomorrow I'll be hell on wheels.




lovingpet -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 6:19:02 PM)

I may have mistaken you with someone else, but I will say you have gone deeper than I was willing to go in much less time than I did. I consider myself a pretty open, trusting, even naive spirited individual. Your join date compared with today's is pretty close in actuality. It may just be your area of the universe and there may be more ease of meeting people, but I was just getting comfy around the same point in my joining. I don't think I had met anyone yet. I am not at all saying your experience would parallel mine. I do see things moving kinda fast and loose given the expressed trust issues. It is one reason my current relationship is on a bit of a slow track. He had been hurt pretty badly several times and just insists on taking everything slow and being cautious, not of me, but of life in general as we build our relationship. We will soon be a year and a half in and only now has he started setting up any major tasking or rules, aside from when we are together in person. It really is okay to insist upon a pace in building a relationship that is appropriate to your needs. Do you feel you rushed? Do you feel things went too slow? Why do you think you agreed to this "test" your friend proposed?

Like I said before, he definitely was in the wrong in how he handled you and choosing to go for your friend's bait. You have to evaluate now how you got to be in that relationship in the first place. What selection criteria did you use in choosing him? How might it need to be different in the future to avoid further heartache? Just remember similar methods produce similar results, so nip it in the bud. Find the common links in your relationships, both vanilla and D/s and see where some adjustments can be made. What can you work on within yourself to attract a partner that will be healthy for you? I wish you nothing but the best! I hope you are back to fighting form soon!

lovingpet




MMagic -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 7:16:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I may have mistaken you with someone else, but I will say you have gone deeper than I was willing to go in much less time than I did. I consider myself a pretty open, trusting, even naive spirited individual. Your join date compared with today's is pretty close in actuality. It may just be your area of the universe and there may be more ease of meeting people, but I was just getting comfy around the same point in my joining. I don't think I had met anyone yet. I am not at all saying your experience would parallel mine. I do see things moving kinda fast and loose given the expressed trust issues. It is one reason my current relationship is on a bit of a slow track. He had been hurt pretty badly several times and just insists on taking everything slow and being cautious, not of me, but of life in general as we build our relationship. We will soon be a year and a half in and only now has he started setting up any major tasking or rules, aside from when we are together in person. It really is okay to insist upon a pace in building a relationship that is appropriate to your needs. Do you feel you rushed? Do you feel things went too slow? Why do you think you agreed to this "test" your friend proposed?

Like I said before, he definitely was in the wrong in how he handled you and choosing to go for your friend's bait. You have to evaluate now how you got to be in that relationship in the first place. What selection criteria did you use in choosing him? How might it need to be different in the future to avoid further heartache? Just remember similar methods produce similar results, so nip it in the bud. Find the common links in your relationships, both vanilla and D/s and see where some adjustments can be made. What can you work on within yourself to attract a partner that will be healthy for you? I wish you nothing but the best! I hope you are back to fighting form soon!

lovingpet


I hear ya on ALL of that.  As for the test. It wasn't something I could AGREE to. She's experienced at this and I'm not. SHE wanted to make sure I wasn't getting in deep with someone who wasn't on the up and up.  Especially since he wanted so much and wasn't willing to give me time to adjust to just being a sub in the first place. So she said she wanted to see if he was on the up take. If he didn't respond to her, great and if he did she wanted to see what he'd say. Her hubby was there all the while and has been talking to me all day saying he'll be trying to help screen the next one so I don't get a bad one. If I decide to go on that is.  I never understand why people do things like this. Especially TO me when I always say I can roll with anything so long as you tell me everything up front. Am I a fun time, a temp, or what. Just tell me and we'll go from there.  What I get is people who lie to me and really don't get that...they don't have to.  On the upshot the first Dom I met here has talked to me today and said to me there is nothing wrong with you, what happened with US was my fault...that other guy...it's his fault even if he can't bring himself to admit it.  Nothing wrong with you period and don't let him make you think so either.  So I can at least appreciate that.

Keep 'em coming guys, I'm working through this.  I'll be fine tomorrow I hope.




lovingpet -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 7:38:46 PM)

I have a similar sentiment with my husband. He is free to have outside interests, as I do, but he is to be open about it. If I found he was sneaking around, I wouldn't be upset at the infidelity. I would be upset with his lies when I left my door wide open for him. It would show a lack of trust on his part to hide it. What? I'm not going to honor our arrangement? I understand your frustration as I would feel much the same. My question still remains, how is it that you wind up with people who lie to you? I am not saying there is anything "wrong" with you either, but saying that there is something going on there.

As a side note, be very careful getting overly involved with this other dominant at this time. You are vulnerable and he is telling you what you want to hear (sincere or not). I am not saying that maybe things shouldn't rekindle, but this is a very delicate time, so proceed with extreme caution and guard that wounded heart a bit. Hang in there!

lovingpet




MMagic -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 8:22:32 PM)

I have NO idea why they lie. When I figure that out I'll know the secrets to the universe.And no I'm not getting involved with ANY more Doms. I have officially joined the sub convent, just waiting to hear back if they allow xboxes.




lovingpet -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 8:27:05 PM)

LOL!!!!! Don't write off the domly race as a whole quite yet, but I do think time alone and away is probably the best thing for right now. Hugs sweetie! We will kick ya back out into life again at some point, but welcome to the convent!

lovingpet




littlewonder -> RE: And I can't tell you why... (9/14/2009 8:48:57 PM)

This entire scenario is messed up.

First of all, you were wrong to "test" him. Imo if you have to do that you're already doubting him and you already know in your heart the relationship is over. You already didn't trust him. Imo the testing is a deceit on your part.

His deceit was lying to you about the relationship.

Both parties were in the wrong here.

Learn from your mistakes, move on and don't rush into another relationship. Take your time and wait until you find that man who is what you need in your life.




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