Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Abstention


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> Abstention Page: [1]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Abstention - 9/14/2009 6:08:45 PM   
SummerMagpie


Posts: 9
Joined: 1/12/2009
Status: offline
Yesterday I posted a journal entry which has gotten me some very interesting (and sometimes very personal) responses, so I thought I'd paraphrase it here (the entire entry, for those not afraid of tl;dr, is here).

I don't have sex.

I occasionally feel like an outsider (here, the vanilla dating scene, pretty much everywhere not-platonic) because I don't have sex. And while I do abstain for personal religious reasons, I'm not saving myself for marriage (I may never get married, and that's okay) or anything of the sort. I took a vow of chastity and I don't have sex. (Compare and contrast "chastity" and "celibacy," if you care to.) I certainly do not think that everyone, most people, or even any specific person (who is not me) should be chaste or celibate: it's a personal decision and none of my business. (And if everybody stopped having sex outside of committed relationships one of my primary sources of entertainment would disappear!)

Sex isn't the ultimate focus of D/s, but you do have to admit that the online world (forums, chat, online personals, porn, more porn, even more porn) is very sexually charged. I don't think we need to get away from this at all (I like porn!), but a new question has been raised for me. The online world is where I (and presumably many others) have their first or biggest contact with BDSM- maybe they're college students with no time and less money, maybe they work all hours, maybe they're geeks who live in somebody's basement, maybe they're shy, but for whatever reason the internet is the primary meeting place for a lot of people, including me, and until very recently I had no idea that I wasn't some kind of sop because I didn't have sex.

If I can say "no" without saying "no" to everything, and if not having sex in a BDSM relationship is nowhere near as rare as I thought it was, how come I have never heard of this before? Not having sex is done for many reasons, and by the nature of the issue they're all deeply personal. Believe me, I get that. But when one begins to interact with other people an action (or deliberate abstention from action) becomes their business, though the reason why may not be.

I don't have sex. There's scads of resources for getting in touch with any side of yourself you may have or can invent, for accepting what you want, for dealing with your family, for hopping down to Home Depot and making a suspension rack as your weekend project, for- well, you know what they're for. Other people besides me don't have sex either. Why isn't this talked about?
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Abstention - 9/14/2009 7:18:25 PM   
Elipsis


Posts: 301
Joined: 7/8/2009
Status: offline
Wow.  Heavy read.

As someone who finds BDSM more erotic than sex... I can say that your assumption that BDSM must be about sex is erroneous.  Nonetheless, it is commonplace that something so arousing to those of us inclined towards BDSM will lead to the desire to turn it into a sexual experience.

While domination and submission without sex is not impossible, most people (certainly not all) would obviously prefer some sex with their violence (so to speak) given the choice (and sometimes they aren't).



(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Abstention - 9/14/2009 7:33:34 PM   
DesFIP


Posts: 25191
Joined: 11/25/2007
From: Apple County NY
Status: offline
Because talking about sex is fun. Most of us started with bedroom fantasies and games.

And honestly, talking about how I bought chocolate marshmallow ice cream instead of strawberry simply because he prefers it isn't interesting to anyone, including me and I'm the one who did it.

_____________________________

Slave to laundry

Cynical and proud of it!


(in reply to Elipsis)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Abstention - 9/14/2009 7:35:53 PM   
sexisubi


Posts: 373
Joined: 11/23/2008
Status: offline
hey im doing the same thing!

i just want to really get to know someone before we go all the way, i get a lot of crap for it. friends just say i need to get laid, other friends say they wish they could do that, people realize they are going to get anywhere in a day and they bail, but whatever. in the bdsm community i have never had an issue saying im not having sex with you tonight, they usually say thats fine i just want to meet you.

my reasons arent for religious reasons i just want to have sex and it mean something, rather then just getting off, and talking about it.. well i talk about it with people i think have a connection with me and want to meet me. i tell them straight out i want to get to know them first, we will not be having full blown sex on our first meeting. now i will say that that doesnt mean that play isnt there, it just means that there isnt penetration... no harm in that. i guess the reason i dont talk about it right away is because i dont want to talk about sex right away cause thats not what im after if they do usually just explaining to them what im looking for is enough to let them move on or stay to get to know me. however this tactic is only used online, at parties im just myself, i crack jokes, listen intently whatever but again sex doesnt come into the convo. i am myself, have a good time, and go home at the end of the night numbers exchanged or not.


_____________________________

bound by love,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIvvaqUdDm8

(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Abstention - 9/14/2009 9:55:52 PM   
SummerMagpie


Posts: 9
Joined: 1/12/2009
Status: offline
Well, not that boring (I may be unnaturally fond of ice cream), but it's certainly not the basis for a conversation longer than eleven seconds without the help of tangents, and I definitely see your point. We have so many outlets for non-sex conversations that by the time we wiggle our way online to BDSM communities we have a little naughty cheering section going "FINALLY!"

Sex is fun. (And when it isn't, it should be!) I think my problem is twofold- or, since the first is a direct product of the second, one-and-a-half-fold. 1. Everyone I interact with is either aggressively pursuing sex from me or it is reasonably out of the question for a variety of reasons (that often have nothing to do with me personally), and 2. lack of experience.

(in reply to DesFIP)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Abstention - 9/14/2009 10:17:49 PM   
SummerMagpie


Posts: 9
Joined: 1/12/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Wow.  Heavy read.

As someone who finds BDSM more erotic than sex... I can say that your assumption that BDSM must be about sex is erroneous.  Nonetheless, it is commonplace that something so arousing to those of us inclined towards BDSM will lead to the desire to turn it into a sexual experience.

While domination and submission without sex is not impossible, most people (certainly not all) would obviously prefer some sex with their violence (so to speak) given the choice (and sometimes they aren't).



I think I've encountered an opposite problem: instead of "consider your audience," I have to consider the source: in this case, myself. It's not that I'm overthinking this in the classical sense, I just forgot that (as a statistician would say) my pool of input is too small! But that's what this post (and that entry) are helping with: providing additional information. Additional information is always welcome.

Of course BDSM is erotic: that would be why everyone is here, and why we all like it. I doubt I'd be anywhere near as interested in porn if it wasn't erotic... because, really, there's only so much academic interest one can hold in what's essentially (and sometimes literally) a bodice-ripper. Perhaps what I was getting at is that even in more "academic" sites, threads, etc. the reference material and n00b-handholding essays are geared towards the assumption that everyone here is having LOTS OF SEX. It creates the impression (especially on magpie-minded individuals like me) that D/s without sex is a lot like jogging in the city without shoes: you can do it, but who'd want to?

In the spirit of "consider the source," most of my RL friends are either married, in a committed relationship, or not getting any (looking or not). I have never been sexually harassed. This is something that baffles one of my best friends, who is sexually harassed all the time (she's adorable, beautiful, short, chubby, has the temper of a bull with his balls clamped, and a mouth like an Irish hag; I love her to bits). I've been hit on, but I don't get harassed. I have only been catcalled/whistled at from a car twice in my life. I feel almost left out.

No, instead I get stalked, ever so much more entertaining for the entire family. T_T The latest one is lucky I don't know where he lives, because the sad fact is I don't even get scared anymore by these idiots. I just get pissed off. (PROTIP: when your desire to own her brings out first polite declines, then blunt answers and statements that your impressions are mistaken, and then the toppiest, bitchiest behavior you have ever seen, this does not bode well. You are correct in that someone in this situation needs therapy. Your assumption that it is her is probably false.) I suppose the point of that is in my very limited experience people definitely never want sex from me (which is great, but not what I'm aiming for as an ultimate life goal, here), or primarily want sex from me, which is not so great, especially when they seem to have convinced themselves that I'll eventually "see the light" and change my mind. (HINT: if you're basing your hopes for a relationship on your belief that she is 1. wrong and 2. doesn't know her own mind, perhaps you should be aiming higher. After all, what would these same assumptions mean if she liked you?)

So... lack of background information and living in a... not vanilla circle of friends (we're more neopolitan) but one without options (closed relationships, incompatible dynamics, etc)... ::sighs:: I feel like Johnny 5. INPUT. NEED INPUT. So, on that note, thank you VERY MUCH for your response!

(in reply to Elipsis)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Abstention - 9/14/2009 10:49:45 PM   
DavanKael


Posts: 3072
Joined: 10/6/2007
Status: offline
First, you're using Chia's avatar and that wigs me out. 
Anyway, I abstain currently because I am not in a relationship.  As one of my most favoritest folks on here says, I have an 'emotion fetish' (And, he's using the term fetish pretty damn accurately as most people do not).  If I don't have a strong connection to and, preferrably, love for, someone, I'm not having sex with them. 
Now, I'm a highly sexual person (No one I've ever been in a relationship with has ever 'worn me out' and even with more than one partner, I've never felt as if I was having too much sex, that I didn't want more sex if possible, whatever)...I am the biggest hornball I know and I say that with the utmost seriousness. 
With the exception of my ex-'s bootcamp and deployment to Japan, I had ready access to sex (Though not as often or the type of sex I would have wanted always) since I was 16.  I've had 2 relationships since we separated nearly 2 years ago with varying degrees of sexual access there-in. 
If I did casual, it would be so very easy to have access to whatever whenever I wished physically speaking, but the physical isn't what it's all about for me. 
So, abstaining sucks.  A LOT.  It sucks in many, many different ways. 
But, it's preferrable to me than something meaningless, something casual, something without bond. 
I do not judge people who partake of sex (And, I consider bdsm activities part of sex) casually or whatever: each unto his own, truly.  I do know what's right for me and while it might sucketh greatly to abstain, my orientation is relationally based. 
If someone asks, as you did, I may, if I feel inclined, explain.  I may not.  One reason I don't overtly focus on it a lot is because it sucks to remind myself so overtly of what I'm not doing that I would much rather be doing: of course, that lack is always there when I am not having sex but it takes a vast mental effort to restrain my thoughts. 
Or, if I'm inclined to depthfully and/or explicitly discuss sex with someone I do and sometimes that is great fun but it's not nearly the same as doing! 
Davan

< Message edited by DavanKael -- 9/14/2009 11:10:06 PM >


_____________________________

May you live as long as you wish & love as long as you live
-Robert A Heinlein

It's about the person & the bond,not the bondage
-Me

Waiting is

170NZ (Aka:Sex God Du Jour) pts

Jesus,I've ALWAYS been a deviant
-Leadership527,Jeff

(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 1:12:57 AM   
DarkSteven


Posts: 28072
Joined: 5/2/2008
Status: offline
Hi there and welcome. 

To be honest, I can't quite figure out how you fit in.  There are plenty of abstainers out there, but I get a feeling that you're into the standard BDSM stuff - the whips and chains, if you will - but having left a neat hole where everyone else has the sexual component of it.  Is that correct?

(Also, congratulations on getting your degree!)


_____________________________

"You women....

The small-breasted ones want larger breasts. The large-breasted ones want smaller ones. The straight-haired ones curl their hair, and the curly-haired ones straighten theirs...

Quit fretting. We men love you."

(in reply to DavanKael)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 3:49:02 AM   
SummerMagpie


Posts: 9
Joined: 1/12/2009
Status: offline
(Thank you!)

I am primarily into (and what first attracted me to D/s) power exchange and, if Davan can be said to have an emotion fetish, I have a trust fetish. Displays of deep trust in real life or in fiction (and written porn does the best job so far of displaying this in fiction) get me hot and get me off. When trust is involved I'll do quite a lot that otherwise might be ramming up against some limits. Whips and chains are fine, but they're sprinkles. I like sprinkles, but I don't stick my spoon in the jar and just eat them. They're also sprinkles I haven't partaken of yet: it's possible (doubtful, but possible) that I might eat sprinkles (bondage) and decide I don't like them! Not LIKELY, but anything is possible.

Leashes, something I love (and do have some experience with) link back to trust. It's why I like them. I said to someone else that subbing makes the world smaller, closer, easier to manage: everything you have to worry about is well within your scope. Anything that isn't in your immediate circle of influence is not yours to worry about. Leashes, collars, cuffs, closets, masks, blindfolds, and similar things are things I find comforting instead of sexually arousing, though add in the appropriate person and TRUST and I'd probably get hot in a hurry. Dominance, control, and discipline are appealing- doing something to someone because s/he lets you, and maintaining discipline... I almost said "like I do with my dog," but let's face it, for everything but "sit," good manners with young children, not nipping/jumping, humans eating at the table, and walking at heel on a leash my dog takes a message and gets back to me. "Go lay down" and letting people get in the front door without an escape attempt are things in my fondest dreams, not reality. XD So let's go with "maintaining discipline better than my dog" for this discussion. Tying somebody up is nice, but I like the idea mainly for aesthetic reasons... perhaps too much art training. What I really love rolling around in my head, and come back to over and over in idle moments, is human furniture. Is saying "sit" and being obeyed without question or hesitation. I like the equipment, but I like the headspace so much more. I would be absolutely happy to be a pet and follow a dominant around on a leash and sit at his/her feet, mostly ignored but for the occasional headpat. I would be absolutely happy to put a male submissive in panties and make him hold my purse; tell him or her to sit, not now, mommy's talking, and put my feet up on his or her shoulders and back- or heck, if this is fantasyland, get a strapping man and sit on him like a park bench while I chatted and caught up on my knitting. Groping him between rows, of course, and, because this is fantasy, good boys absolutely get a treat (blowjob, if he's been just that good, because it's only on SPECIAL occasions a sub gets to come when mommy fucks him, now isn't it?) when we get home.

Fantasyland wanders like the point in a high school debate class. That would be the point if fantasies. Reality is that I am not going to blow anyone I am not in a committed long-term relationship with because that is how I've set myself up. "Fidelity" and "chastity" does not exclude threesomes (it excludes temporary threesomes, but recurring or permanent arrangements are well within range), but (for me) it implies a level of commitment and intimacy that takes time to develop, and since I'm a stubborn, private little cuss who'll tell you almost anything you want but keep you at a proper distance anyways, it will probably take years. I focus on building friendships because, in my limited experience, nobody who's out for tail is going to wait years to get off. (And I, very reasonably I think, do not expect them to. They didn't take a vow of chastity, after all.)

After all, in addition to the whole chastity thing I don't let people make claims on my time lightly. I don't want people thinking they can expect something from me that I am not willing to give them (which happens far more often than I am willing to put up with). WANTING, in theory, is perfectly fine, but if there's someone who has the decency to want quietly then I (obviously) don't know about it. Maybe that's where it comes from, my perceived conflict with highly selective sex and relationships: people WANT, and they don't do it quietly and they usually make a damn nuisance of themselves doing it, see above re: stalkers. I don't find it cute, I find it bloody annoying and worthy of being removed from the gene pool. I don't even let most (some, certainly, but not most) of my friends make frequent claims on my time- make two long phone calls in a week while I'm trying to read and I'm going to be poking you to get to the point... assuming I'm not doing the "uh huh" routine we all know and love. I do this to friends, people for whom I will drive two hours to come get them when they lock themselves out of their cars, whom I will sit up with all night when I have to go to work in the morning, for whom I will dedicate an entire day to move a sofa up two fights of stairs. I am not about to be monopolized by acquaintances and strangers.

The point here is I have no problem with people I am entertaining fulfilling their physical and emotional needs elsewhere. Take care of business, honey, just don't make a mess and don't bother me while I'm working. I have no problems with someone who is casually dating me getting off with someone else with whom s/he is honest. I don't, as yet, have a problem with someone who is seriously dating me finding sexual fulfillment elsewhere. This is what open and honest discussion is for, and if our relationship is at a stage that can be called "serious" and I still won't fuck him/her, obviously we have quite a lot to discuss! I absolutely feel that this attitude of "go away now and come back when I want you if you feel like it" is not the way to conduct an intimate relationship and it's probably not the way to build one either... but that's how I am right now. People stay because they want to be there. You learn to adjust to each other and if being with someone who has an independent nature and likes a lot of alone-time bothers you then it's my belief that you need to reassess your priorities. If and when I accept someone as my dominant I'm certainly not going to tell him or her to bug off and come back later, but anyone who gets to that point with me will absolutely have encountered such behavior by then, be very well aware of it and most of the rest of my quirks and foibles, and give me the space I need because, bluntly, anyone who doesn't give me that space will not have gotten that far. It's not for everyone. I'm not for everyone. You knew what it said on the box when you bought it.

...I've lost my point. Do you see it anywhere? I'm pretty sure it started with "not having sex," but the whole "almost four am" thing just completely blew it off and now it's stuck in tangents. Oh well. In the grand tradition of much internet before me, I'll post something written while sleep-deprived. If I've used the wrong word and contradicted myself in the same sentence, that's probably why. I'll edit tomorrow if I find any.

(in reply to DarkSteven)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 3:50:56 AM   
SummerMagpie


Posts: 9
Joined: 1/12/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

First, you're using Chia's avatar and that wigs me out. 


You had a very interesting response and I'll get to the rest of it after I've slept: this one is short and easy. Who's Chia? I picked this avatar because I have the same plush toy staring at me right now from my bookcase. The soot demons in Spirited Away were one of my favorite parts. :D

(in reply to DavanKael)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 3:58:25 AM   
daintydimples


Posts: 967
Joined: 7/6/2009
Status: offline
Yeah, I thought it was Chia, too.

For the OP: Chia is a regular poster who uses that avatar.

I have sex (I love sex). I just don' t have casual sex.  I'm firmly on the "sex has to mean something" wagon.




_____________________________

Some soften by the forced reflection that comes from loss; others harden. Which are you?




(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 4:14:44 AM   
lally2


Posts: 2621
Joined: 4/16/2009
Status: offline
there was a thread recently about how sex had become secondary to their BDSM.  its really quite a common thing.  often the BDSM fulfills so much of what is basically our sexuality that sex is often just something you might get around to afterwards.

ive never done casual sex, i just dont function that way and i certainly cant do sex without the Ms dynamic firing away in the background, even if it turns out to be just sex and no BDSM, the undertow has to be there for sex to work for me.

_____________________________

So all I have to do in order to serve him, is to work out exactly how improbable he is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give him a fresh cup of really hot tea ... and turn him on!

(in reply to daintydimples)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 7:35:56 AM   
Mercnbeth


Posts: 11766
Status: offline
quote:

I am primarily into (and what first attracted me to D/s) power exchange and, if Davan can be said to have an emotion fetish, I have a trust fetish. Displays of deep trust in real life or in fiction (and written porn does the best job so far of displaying this in fiction) get me hot and get me off. When trust is involved I'll do quite a lot that otherwise might be ramming up against some limits. Whips and chains are fine, but they're sprinkles. I like sprinkles, but I don't stick my spoon in the jar and just eat them. They're also sprinkles I haven't partaken of yet: it's possible (doubtful, but possible) that I might eat sprinkles (bondage) and decide I don't like them! Not LIKELY, but anything is possible.


You are having 'intercourse' you just aren't having sex. You are exchanging a dynamic, power; you just aren't exchanging fluids.

The 'no sex' schism, is mostly delusional requiring a rationalized paradigm that what they are doing doesn't qualify as sex. Same occurs daily in schools from junior high on up. Oral sex, anal sex, mutual masturbation but still representing themselves as 'virgins'. The conflicting images of sex all around while fear of disease and social pressures push for abstinence force people to come up with a rationalized belief that what they are doing, although pleasurable, isn't 'sex'.

Well, what is it? Limiting contact to people who agree as a group to define sex strictly as coitus will increase your confidence that you aren't having 'sex'. However, some of the sexiest, erotic, sensual exchanges I've participated in haven't included coitus, but I was definitely having sex. My mind and body were engaged in an activity that was sexually based. It isn't a performance, it isn't a social experiment; it's intercourse.

Physical climax isn't necessary for sex nor is it a goal of every exchange under the huge umbrella of WIITWD. Hell, intermittent denial of that climax is a cornerstone of many relationship dynamics including my own. In cases such as those, denial is 'sex'.

Of course there's another reason for representing personal 'abstinence' beyond the semantic argument. Claiming it makes people see you as a challenge. A tactic to represent your uniqueness and often used to generate sympathy. Or it could be the ultimate dominance you retain while claiming to adopt a submissive persona.

You're keeping one aspect, to many a key aspect, off limits. I've always represented that there isn't any one true way or dogma to use as a beacon to follow for a successful relationship. Words like Master, Dominant, submissive, or slave, have no meaning outside the relationship which defines them. Regarding the word 'sex' perhaps you only have to exclude the first definition you see in the dictionary following the word. But take a look, there are many definitions of 'sex'. Reality is, even defining it by the ultimate act of orgasm doesn't mean you're excluding sex you've just set another defining term for your relationship and another 'limit'.

Assuming you are sincere and not using the representation for attention or to establish your uniqueness; all you need is a compatible partner who defines 'sex' the same as you.

Go for it!

< Message edited by Mercnbeth -- 9/15/2009 7:56:42 AM >

(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 7:54:13 AM   
leadership527


Posts: 5026
Joined: 6/2/2008
Status: offline
Yes, the forums are "sex charged" as you put it. In fact, there's a ton of skew on these forums for a wide variety of reasons. You don't have sex. That's fine. We can all groove with that. But honestly, I don't know that it makes you as different as you think. I personally do not experience my dominance as a sexual act. Yes, I have sex. I'm married and us married folks do that sort of thing. But that has nothing to do with why I dominate or she submits -- not even obliquely.

_____________________________

~Jeff

I didn't so much "enslave" Carol as I did "enlove" her. - Me
I want a joyous, loving, respectful relationship where the male is in charge and deserves to be. - DavanKael

(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 8:29:45 AM   
Andalusite


Posts: 2492
Joined: 1/25/2009
Status: offline
Davan, the avatar thing took me by surprise, too.

SummerMagpie, this is Chia: http://www.collarme.com/bdsm/q/chia/o/1/v/405469/rzuu/81400/default.htm There are a lot of other posters who use the same standard avatars, some are more popular than others.

I know there are a few people here in long-term D/s service-oriented relationships who don't have sex, and other folks who are married or otherwise involved and don't bring sex into their D/s or otherwise kinky relationships.

I've played casually in the past, and currently have a female submissive playpartner, and usually didn't mix sex into it. I get a lot of other emotions and reactions to BDSM, and specifically negotiated that I would yellow-safeword out if I got too turned on while bottoming or switching (when topping, I have control of the situation, so can back off if needed), and we didn't do any genital contact. I don't see it as sex, just as I don't see dancing or martial arts sparring as sex. *shrugs*

I also have my boyfriend/Master, and I am very intimately involved with him.

(in reply to leadership527)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 4:46:24 PM   
Elipsis


Posts: 301
Joined: 7/8/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SummerMagpie
I am primarily into (and what first attracted me to D/s) power exchange and, if Davan can be said to have an emotion fetish, I have a trust fetish. Displays of deep trust in real life or in fiction (and written porn does the best job so far of displaying this in fiction) get me hot and get me off. When trust is involved I'll do quite a lot that otherwise might be ramming up against some limits. Whips and chains are fine, but they're sprinkles. I like sprinkles, but I don't stick my spoon in the jar and just eat them. They're also sprinkles I haven't partaken of yet: it's possible (doubtful, but possible) that I might eat sprinkles (bondage) and decide I don't like them! Not LIKELY, but anything is possible.


I'm going to respond to just this paragraph, there will likely be some reiteration of points made by others and in later paragraphs of your post.

Mostly the point is that I think I understand this... one important difference that I'm thinking about is that while a trust fetish so to speak requires a lot of time to develop, an emotional fetish does not necessarily.  But before I get into that too much, a digression:

I have a friend who is worse about this than me... for years now we have actually been saying that he has a love fetish.  He is barely able to look at someone and judge their physical attractiveness empirically because he has no feelings for them, and likewise derives zero pleasure from thoughts of a physical encounter with them.  He is the only guy who I have ever encountered who does not masturbate... and the reason for this is that he has no desire to.  We threatened to get him relationship porn... the kind of porn where a couple sits on a park bench for 20 minutes talking about how strong their loves is for each other... but really that wouldn't work because love as a concept doesn't transpose from images into arousal nearly as fluidly as sexual imagery because it's too conceptual.  SummerMagpie, perhaps you have some of this as well, given your preference for pornographic fiction.

Moving on, I am not nearly as absurd as this friend (who is now married and having lots of sex because he is in love)... but I've got were I to pick the name for it a Connection fetish.  I... *friends just walked in* ...feh what I am is out of time and I need another 30 minutes or so to finish this post.

I shall return to finish these thoughts in a few hours.

(in reply to SummerMagpie)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 8:05:48 PM   
Elipsis


Posts: 301
Joined: 7/8/2009
Status: offline
Ahh, had to go for a run... now where the hell was I...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elipsis

I've got were I to pick the name for it a Connection fetish.  I... *friends just walked in* ...feh what I am is out of time and I need another 30 minutes or so to finish this post.

I shall return to finish these thoughts in a few hours.



Hmm, yes, right.  I'm not like that friend of mine.  I don't have to fantasize about having a deep emotional relationship with someone before I can have thoughts of playing with them, bdsm things, or having sex.  Essentially, like most males, I can look at a hot girl and become aroused.  However, I also know myself well enough to know that I perhaps shouldn't do casual.  I worry that I would become too strongly attached to someone... physical contact makes me feel close to a person, and while I've never tried to go into something casual with the deliberate mindset that we're not going to get attached I'm not sure whether or not I'm wired for it.

Where I was going with this (I remember now), and how it all relates back to SummerMagpie, is that similarly to some of the other respondents to the OP, my opinion is that  certain BDSM acts are way more intimate than sex.  For someone with a self-described "trust fetish", the amount of trust required to submit to someone as you ascribe it sounds incredibly time consuming.  Personally I find the amount of trust I would require to have sex with someone to be far lower than the amount of trust I would need to have before I let them thoroughly tie me down and do whatever they wanted - even if there was no actual sex (of any kind) involved.  Likewise, because there is more trust involved I would probably become more attached with something like that than just sex.

So ya, basically my point is that kink without sex is not impossible, but at least for me it would come with mostly the same problems and complications as having both.

(in reply to Elipsis)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Abstention - 9/15/2009 9:42:56 PM   
Sexycelticlady


Posts: 112
Joined: 7/20/2008
Status: offline
Summermagpie

I have a very similar view about sex that you do. I have no problem with open relationships, much to my surprise, this is a relatively recent discovery. I have a Dom but we reside in different countries for a long time. I went through 4 months followed by 8 months of celibacy (broken by having sex with my Sir during one of our meetings, we had others but our focus was on different things). I am highly sexual and this was tough at times. It was a good lesson to learn. I now do have sex with a regular partner who is not my Sir, with his permission of course. As my Sir has a slave and other potential partner I know He also has sex with others. I also have a sub I do not have sex with currently.

When I went through the period of time being celibate, I had no issue engaging in BDSM play and often did. I also had a very strong D/s dynamic with Sir during that time. Sex and BDSM occupy different places in my head, the BDSM being far more satisfactory than sex in many ways. You are not alone, there are others with a similar mindset to you. :)

(in reply to Elipsis)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Abstention - 9/18/2009 7:26:17 AM   
LPslittleclip


Posts: 1163
Joined: 9/29/2007
Status: offline
for me i have a forced abstention im deployed for a year. i do miss both the bdsm and the sex but the sex is more to please my partner than me. i get the most satisfaction from their happiness.  i enjoy a beating as much as any masso sub does but not the main thing for me in the lifestyle, i am a service oriented sub and i am the happiest when helping others, just cleaning and cooking a good meal or sleeping at my M'Ladys feet i am content and happy. 

(in reply to Sexycelticlady)
Profile   Post #: 19
Page:   [1]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> Abstention Page: [1]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109