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Lockit -> President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 11:47:34 AM)

In the following report, in about the middle of the article, there is a comment that sticks out in my mind.

When ABC News authorities found out about it, they had the tweets deleted after about an hour, Schneider said. Moran declined a request to comment.

I don't recall when Bush said some things when on a live mic without his knowledge, that information being deleted in any sense. (I am not for Bush or Obama or anyone else for that matter, I just go on what I think is right or wrong.) I do sometimes think that Obama is being protected or that anything that seemingly goes against what he wants, gets squashed. I may be wrong, but that is the impression I have. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_obama_tweet

What do you all think? I do listen to you all. I just don't get involved too often because you all are so far over my head in most of this! lol But I often listen to the news and wonder what you all would say. Even though I cringe through some of it! lol



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 11:59:34 AM)

I wish he'd learn to keep his damned mouth shut on issues that are none of his damned business. It happens I agree with him this time, but that's beside the point. You'd think he'd have learned something from making such a fool of himself calling out the cop in the Gates incident, but apparently not. The arrogance of this man amazes me. Focus on doing your own job in a professional manner, Mr. President, and stop running your mouth about things that are no concern of yours.

As for Bush, he got an incredible number of free passes from the press. I don't recall any specific instances where he said something that was published and later redacted, but the media bent over backwards to be "fair" to the imbecile and not bring to the public's attention what a simpleton he was. I don't think they're necessarily treating Obama any worse than they treated Bush, but they're sure not going any more easy on him.



Arpig -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 12:00:50 PM)

OK, I am just going by what was in the article. It seems to me that the remark was made to a reporter who was interviewing the Prez, and that the segment where the remark was made was "off the record". Then some people from a rival network eavesdropped on the live feed that the original network was using to record the interview for later editing/broadcast.

If this is in fact the way it went down then it was wrong for the ABC people to put it on their Twitter. I am sure the ABC types would be right pissed off if something somebody told them "off the record" was subsequently publicized by somebody else. This sort of thing destroys the trust between an interviewer and an interviewee. Not only that, but I question the legality of the ABC people eavesdropping on the CNBC feed. This was not just an open mike, it was a private CNBC feed, listening in would be the equivalent of intercepting and reading the dispatches of a field reporter in days gone by.

The thing I wonder most about is why Obama didn't just acknowledge that he said it in the first place...I mean its not like the guy wasn't being a jackass. By just saying that "Yup, Barrack said it and still thinks the same way" would have been a great thing, he might have pissed off Kanye and a few of his diehard fans, but he would have had the support and agreement of everybody else on the planet. It would have helped to build a sort of rapport between the Prez and the common man...much like his famous beer summit photo-op was meant to do. By simply stating that the Prez said it and stands by what he said he would have built up a lot of that sort of rapport...see he's really not that different than us, he's not afraid to call a jackass a jackass when he sees it.



Lockit -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 12:06:47 PM)

I am recalling a situation with Bush where he was sitting at a table with some people and talking before an open mic and called someone a name. Did Bush or his people try to cover that up or squash it? I kind of find it funny when they get caught with their mouths open like that. Like how smart can you be if you are going to talk in public like that? The chances of getting busted are pretty strong.

I feel that although I may say some off color things or whatever, I will stand behind what I say. I feel a leader should as well. Good or bad... goes well or not... it is said and done and it's out there.



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 12:56:22 PM)

My thoughts are…

There is no such thing as off the record. If someone says something then that is what they mean, why should everything be polished before public consumption?



awmslave -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 12:57:19 PM)

"Jackass" is kind of soft considering the offense. What about "major league asshole" (D. Cheney remark). One again a celebrity "no story" to distract public from news that have some substance.



Lockit -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 1:39:13 PM)

I have to agree... non substance... in a way. I think the substance may just be in the way some things are handled... covered up... deleted... lol That could suggest charactor or motive or something where someone is trying to fool us or manipulate. I guess I am in suspecious mode today. lol



SpinnerofTales -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 2:09:26 PM)

First, I think the deletion of the tweets wasn't because of what the president said. The two companies share a fiber optic line and have to live with one another. I think it was more a of corporate politeness between two competitors who didn't want to get into an ugly sitution when they have to share equiptment. I strongly doubt that the white house was involved in any attempted coverup (Kanyegate, anyone?).


As for what the president said, I think this may be a watershed moment. At Last President Obama has said something that both the democrats and the republicans agree upon. Kanye West IS a jackass.



Leiren -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 4:24:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

I wish he'd learn to keep his damned mouth shut on issues that are none of his damned business. It happens I agree with him this time, but that's beside the point. You'd think he'd have learned something from making such a fool of himself calling out the cop in the Gates incident, but apparently not. The arrogance of this man amazes me. Focus on doing your own job in a professional manner, Mr. President, and stop running your mouth about things that are no concern of yours.



Wow! I never expected to see the day that I would agree with you on anything, Panda. But today is the day. [:D]



SpinnerofTales -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 5:05:48 PM)

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I wish he'd learn to keep his damned mouth shut on issues that are none of his damned business. It happens I agree with him this time, but that's beside the point. You'd think he'd have learned something from making such a fool of himself calling out the cop in the Gates incident, but apparently not. The arrogance of this man amazes me. Focus on doing your own job in a professional manner, Mr. President, and stop running your mouth about things that are no concern of yours.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda



I don't think it was that bad, Panda. He was sitting around, getting ready for an interview that hadn't officially begun and the interviewer asked if his daughters were upset by what happened with Kanye West. All Obama did was say "he's a jackass", which is what everyone who heard about the story thought. It isn't like he held a press conference or issued a proclamation. As I've said before, anyone in that office who is afraid to say something for fear that someone would get all wee-wee'd up about it, to coin a phrase, wouldn't open his mouth for an unscripted word.

I will, however, admit that I wish he wouldn't keep doing late night talk shows. I keep dreading the day he does an infomercial.



SoulPiercer -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 5:31:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leiren

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

I wish he'd learn to keep his damned mouth shut on issues that are none of his damned business. It happens I agree with him this time, but that's beside the point. You'd think he'd have learned something from making such a fool of himself calling out the cop in the Gates incident, but apparently not. The arrogance of this man amazes me. Focus on doing your own job in a professional manner, Mr. President, and stop running your mouth about things that are no concern of yours.



Wow! I never expected to see the day that I would agree with you on anything, Panda. But today is the day. [:D]



If I understand that statement correctly, Kanye's being a jackass was none of the president's damned business. What about Jay Leno? Was it his business? What about the other millions of people who expressed an opinion, was it their business?

Here's a link to the Oath of office of the President: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States

Nowhere in that oath does it say POTUS gives up their right to an opinion, nor their right to freedom of speech.

My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

Back in 1984, Ronald Reagan said that, not realizing he was speaking into an open mic. As a result, I, along with thousands of other U.S. troops in Europe, spent two weeks out in the woods, due to Russian troop movements.

I think I can deal with the current president calling Kanye a jackass.



MmeRegineSybille -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 5:36:59 PM)

Yes yes!!! .............I love that Our President is human and has human emotion........an opinion that isn't expressed perfectly PC.......I love that he is President and only wish I could say I was able to vote for him.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 6:20:17 PM)

I -like- that he was direct and blunt in giving his opinion. I'm betting that quite a few folks who saw the incident used the exact same term. I know both our grown girls and both our grown boys AND my companions and myself shouted it out virtually in unison.

Just because he is president doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to HAVE and VOICE an opinion on things that have nothing to do with politics. Freedom of speech applies to the President, too, IMO. If folks thought they needed to snicker behind their hands and tweet it all over creation... well... I guess that's free speech, too -- but if it is opined that it was rude for Obama to be allowed to speak his mind, then it follows that it's equally rude for folks to snigger and pass it around like notes in a 2nd grade classroom (which, really, is my whole impression of Twitter anyway... but hey... *shrugs*)

As far as whether the tweets should have been deleted... well, to me, that's up to the management at Twitter -- it's their service, and they get to decide what does and doesn't play... and I don't think there's anything wrong with -asking- for some consideration and perhaps a gentle "averting of the collective eyes" over the perceived blunder... just as long as everyone would understand that complying with the request is a voluntary thing, and it isn't an expectation that boo-boos will be perpetually ignored just because someone is a government official.

DC




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 6:21:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leiren

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

I wish he'd learn to keep his damned mouth shut on issues that are none of his damned business. It happens I agree with him this time, but that's beside the point. You'd think he'd have learned something from making such a fool of himself calling out the cop in the Gates incident, but apparently not. The arrogance of this man amazes me. Focus on doing your own job in a professional manner, Mr. President, and stop running your mouth about things that are no concern of yours.



Wow! I never expected to see the day that I would agree with you on anything, Panda. But today is the day. [:D]



You'd be surprised. Let's start a gun control thread!



TheHeretic -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 6:26:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
Kanye West IS a jackass.


Who wants to sing kumbaya???



SpinnerofTales -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 6:29:22 PM)

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Who wants to sing kumbaya???
ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


Who wants to sing kumbaya???


Are you actually going to be the only one to say that Obama was wrong in his assessment? I would be vastly amused to see just how far your need to demonize the president goes. Or are you mocking (using Alinsky's laws of course) the fact that we at last have found an issue so clear cut that almost everyone can agree with it?

What's your point?




TheHeretic -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 6:54:13 PM)

WTF???

I was agreeing with you, Spinner.  Jesus Christ, dude.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 7:01:37 PM)

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WTF???

I was agreeing with you, Spinner. Jesus Christ, dude.
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

WTF???

I was agreeing with you, Spinner.  Jesus Christ, dude.


My bad....Now excuse me while I try to recreate my entire shattered conception of reality.

Seriously...sorry for the misread, Heretic.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 7:11:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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I wish he'd learn to keep his damned mouth shut on issues that are none of his damned business. It happens I agree with him this time, but that's beside the point. You'd think he'd have learned something from making such a fool of himself calling out the cop in the Gates incident, but apparently not. The arrogance of this man amazes me. Focus on doing your own job in a professional manner, Mr. President, and stop running your mouth about things that are no concern of yours.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda



I don't think it was that bad, Panda. He was sitting around, getting ready for an interview that hadn't officially begun and the interviewer asked if his daughters were upset by what happened with Kanye West. All Obama did was say "he's a jackass", which is what everyone who heard about the story thought. It isn't like he held a press conference or issued a proclamation. As I've said before, anyone in that office who is afraid to say something for fear that someone would get all wee-wee'd up about it, to coin a phrase, wouldn't open his mouth for an unscripted word.



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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer
I think I can deal with the current president calling Kanye a jackass.


You both make good points, and it's hard to disagree with them. I just see it differently, for a few reasons.

First of all, it's not just this one comment that rankles me. It's a pattern. He opines quite freely and quite frequently on the mundane issues of the day, is occasionally quite caustic in his criticisms, and I just happen to have some rather old-fashioned views about the office he holds. I have a great deal of respect for the presidency (admittedly, probably too much), and from a philosophical perspective, I personally prefer a president who holds himself a little bit above such picayune kerfuffles. I'd just prefer a little more professionalism, a little more imperial detachment from such minor squabbles. A sense that he's focused on somewhat loftier issues than who got arrested in Boston last night or who dissed whom at some awards show.

And from a practical standpoint, I don't think it's doing him any good politically at a time when he really can't afford to associate himself with any more controversy than he's already embroiled in. OK, granted, taking a shot at Kanye West is a pretty safe bet; not many people are going to disagree with him on that. But as I said, it's a pattern with him, and if you make these little cracks on a semi-regular basis, it's just a matter of time before you overstep on something a little less unequivocal and piss off a lot of people you really didn't need to piss off and can't really afford to piss off - as he did when he criticized the Cambridge police before he knew all the facts. I just think the man would be better served with a little more Cal Coolidge (in that regard, at any rate), and a little less Harry Truman.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: President's opinion of Kanye West sparks debate (9/16/2009 7:25:32 PM)

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And from a practical standpoint, I don't think it's doing him any good politically at a time when he really can't afford to associate himself with any more controversy than he's already embroiled in.


I'm sorry, but if we can't handle a president who has opinions, and is direct and forthright about expressing them... then we deserve -exactly- what we get instead.

Dame Calla



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