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Arpig -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/23/2009 12:18:03 PM)
An interesting point of view? What started out as a nice little bit about religious tolerance...a Jew not minding Christmas and the various publicly displayed Christmas decorations is twisted into a call for religious intolerance and bigotry and the forced indoctrination in Christianity...just what is interesting about it? That it twists the words of somebody else with outright lies and other sundry bullshit? Or that it calls for everybody to be forcibly instructed in the Christian faith, regardless of their religious persuasion (or lack thereof)? Or is it perhaps the idea that God decided to punish the US for its ungodly ways by sending a hurricane to devastate a predominantly Catholic city (damnable Papists...they deserve it!! they ain't real Christians anyway!)? What about all those hurricanes way back when...you know before us evil liberals went and ruined your holy nation?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/23/2009 5:43:47 PM)
quote: That it twists the words of somebody else with outright lies and other sundry bullshit? Or that it calls for everybody to be forcibly instructed in the Christian faith, regardless of their religious persuasion (or lack thereof)?ORIGINAL: Arpig Someone, far less afraid of being accused of being a "basher" than I, might suggest that that IS the Christian faith. Actually, it's far more a Paulist faith but the religious has always been more followers of Paul than Jesus.

playfulotter -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/23/2009 6:01:36 PM)
I always take emails passed along that ask me to forward them with a "grain of salt" and never forward them unless it is a funny joke or a cute or silly photo but never anything that needs fact checking....I have looked up something at snopes.com on a few sent to me to try and verify more than once..especially those that seem too hard to believe...I will admit a lot of them have a religious content which is not my thing but anyone is free to do what they want in that regard..it is a free country as they say..just don't try and push it on me.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 11:29:34 AM)
quote: Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? You know.. I have no issue with other people worshiping their god(s) as they understand it/him/her/them. What I have an issue with (and what the significant issue is for most of the folks who argue against allowing prayer in the schools, etc.,) is the idea that someone else should be able to foist their beliefs off on me. Just as an example of what I'm talking about, a local coach in our area was just removed from his post at a local school because he forced -all- of his football team players to be baptized in -his- version of "the faith", or they couldn't play for him. The ruckus came about not from an atheist balking, but from a Christian boy who didn't want to be baptized in a church that is parent's wouldn't go to. Now tell me how -that- is reasonable and justifiable. Ben Stein makes some good points. I am an a-theist, and I don't get bent out of shape about calling a Christmas tree a Christmas tree, or seeing folks put up a creche. I also don't get strung out about Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, St. Patrick's Day, or Halloween. I think it's -great- when people can find any reason at all to spend time together and be joyful. At the same time, I -really- -really- resent people making laws about moral issues based on their religion, or deciding what I can do with my free time or my body because _their_ god wouldn't approve. Frankly, I don't -care- what your god does or doesn't approve of, since I'm not looking for your god's approval -- so I still say that the law and civil action should avoid any perception that it is being motivated by religious pressure from any direction. If we can't find a -civil- purpose that everyone can agree to for an action, then maybe it isn't something that the government should have its nose in in the first place. (e.g., same gender marriage. There is -no- civil reason to deny marital status to same gender couples... the ONLY reason we haven't gotten over our bigotry on this issue is because it offends some peoples' -religious- perspectives). Dame Calla

tazzygirl -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 12:07:36 PM)
i prefer,.. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

DomKen -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 12:40:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i prefer,.. Spare the rod, spoil the child. I prefer spare the crop, spoil the girl. [;)]

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 12:42:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i prefer,.. Spare the rod, spoil the child. You know, I never spanked my kids after they were old enough to talk (they occasionally got a swat on the diaper when they were younger, to reinforce the need to cease some dangerous activity they were involved in -- all my kids tended to skirt the danger zone and were intensely curious offspring), and I managed to raise very considerate, very well-mannered, very respectful, intelligent, motivated kids (not just my opinion -- we're still hearing from people who grew up around my kids, telling me that they've grown up well and were always such well-mannered and highly motivated kids). The thing is, I paid attention to what my kids were up to, and didn't get all pissed off with strangers or classmates' parents or neighbors who filled me in when my kids were behaving inappropriately. I praised them for their successes, and helped them to figure out how to fix their mistakes... but never sugar-coated the reality that they'd made a mistake in the first place. I was as direct with my offspring about every aspect of our lives as I am with any adult, and they thrived with the opportunity to take direct responsibility for their choices and their outcomes. My kids never got coddled because "some mean ol' teacher gave them detention, poor babies", and I spent less time worried about their egos than I did about their attitudes. Interestingly enough, I never needed to threaten them with an angry god to get them to do the right thing, either. Dame Calla

tazzygirl -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 12:55:57 PM)
And thats the point, Calla. when we grew up, we had to deal with neighbors and schools, people in the community, telling our parents what we did wrong.... and i never once can recall any of them lying on me, what they claimed i did... lol... i did. my son had a total of five spankings... the last at age 10 for stealing from wal-mart. an appology to the store manager, payment of stolen item, having to throw away said item, and a spanking when home, added punishment of restriction for a month... yeah... i was strict. and i get the same comments about him. how respectful, polite, well mannered, disciplined, ect. i raised a fantastic kid, probably the only thing i have ever done right. but now days, if you tell a parent what their kid does wrong, you are usually told to mind your own business. many parents make the excuse they are too tired, or their kids are just being kids, or they really arent "that bad". what kept many of my generation, and older, in line was the threat "wait till your father gets home". seems "father" has abdicated his role, "mother" too, to become "friends"

tazzygirl -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 12:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i prefer,.. Spare the rod, spoil the child. I prefer spare the crop, spoil the girl. [;)] ~grins and what if the girl prefers the crop?

DomKen -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 1:03:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i prefer,.. Spare the rod, spoil the child. I prefer spare the crop, spoil the girl. [;)] ~grins and what if the girl prefers the crop? Well there are other ways to spoil a girl. [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: Reap What You Sow (9/24/2009 1:22:46 PM)
lol... im still waiting to be spoiled!

Esinn -> Mostly Good (9/25/2009 10:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I agree with most of the stuff that Stein wrote. I'm a Jew, and I accept the fact that I'm a minority and have to deal with Christians. However, for him to pretend that there's no basis for the separation of church and state is disingenuous. I am 99% confident you told me you were an Agnostic? One of the reasons you were not an absolute atheist is because science has not yet established how the universe was created(thermodynamics). Wasn't that you - yes it was. Now you are a proud jew? YHVH is a fairly disgusting fellow, this god you worship as a jew. Any parent who watched their child drown despite the fact they have given them a mostly good life would quickly be jailed, put on trial and most likely sentenced to jail for 25 - life without excuse. If the parent let this happen to multiple children over many years there is a good chance they would be executed. Counties ruled by theocracies are not "mostly good" places to live even if you worship the specific invisible being of the town. Tell the muslim male who just watched his wife get raped, her vagina mutilated(with a bit fat stick) then he had his hand cut off tell him he lives in a mostly good place. I wonder where his god was/has been? "Mostly good" is relevant. Your excuses are childish.

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