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Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 5:51:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Does an understanding of the psychological and philosophical - even spiritual - aspects of D/s increase the pleasure thereof? I believe so but I'm curious about others opinions.
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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 5:55:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		when i hear someone say they want an understanding of BDSM on these levels, the first thing i want to say is good luck. There are way too many variables on each level.

Rather than analyze, why not just go with it and have a blast.


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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 6:01:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		The question is painted with too broad a brush..... yes, understanding the psychological, philosophical, spiritual.... etc aspects of the relationship you have with THIS slave does deepen both the connection and the enjoyment.... however if you try to apply that 'as is' to the next then you will trip over your own feet.... different person, different set of variables... yay a lot of enjoyable learning to be done again.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 6:11:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		As Plato quoted Socrates, "First know thyself."

Fulfillment arises in the only place it is ever felt, one's very own heart. Limits on experiencing fulfillment, love, pleasure, are actually self imposed. Therefore, philosophy, psychology, and spirituality (actual experience, not religious belief) are essential to expanding one's capacity and awareness for experiencing joy.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 6:57:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bliss4us09

Does an understanding of the psychological and philosophical - even spiritual - aspects of D/s increase the pleasure thereof? I believe so but I'm curious about others opinions.


not in the manner that the question has been phrased. my understanding and knowledge of psychology, behavioral science, philosophy, and varying spiritual ideologies allows me to bring those concepts into my relationships and utilize the teachings in a manner that permits me to see the exchange from different perspectives. i derive pleasure from the fact that the scope has been widened and i'm able to apply the lessons to another area of my life that brings me joy. i am pleased because i understand the O/p dynamic in a way i may not have without the influence of the factors mentioned.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 11:03:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if people don't do things that are consistent with their nature anyway, so that their sexuality will be commensurate with their spirituality, whether or not they think of it in those terms.

Now , how much one infuses the other, and why, is an interesting question.

People may have grown up with their spirituality (or the system of values in which they were raised) in conflict with their sexuality.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 12:16:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does if such understanding effects the way you think about such activities, gives insight and answers where needed. For some it's not even remotely necessary.





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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 1:06:15 PM   
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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 1:38:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		All very poetic, but if you don't know how and why something works then you are pretty fucked if it stops working and you need to fix it!

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 1:39:19 PM   
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Does knowing the theory of how a star forms and dies diminish the beauty of the night time sky?

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 1:50:45 PM   
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Does knowing the theory of how a star forms and dies diminish the beauty of the night time sky?

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Yes.

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In many ways i think the beauty is enhanced by knowing a bit of the Physics. It is all the more wonderous. Just mho.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 2:38:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a person who is very left brain and almost always looking at things intellectually more then emotionally I have found the most fun in the moment is to disregard the concept of understanding and embrace the joy of the emotions the things being done bring on.

Now I think overall for me at least the understanding from the psychological and spiritual side can be important to help ones self awareness and therefore help guide one on a path that can enjoy and embrace such pleasures instead of a more hit and miss guesswork approach and to avoid trap doors.



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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/25/2009 3:20:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you - very helpful - your comment about avoiding trap doors is a great image.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/26/2009 8:43:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bliss4us09

Does an understanding of the psychological and philosophical - even spiritual - aspects of D/s increase the pleasure thereof? I believe so but I'm curious about others opinions.


Understanding the dominant's psychology, what s/he gets out of torturing me, makes the experience exquisitely hotter for me. General psychology, however, doesn't have quite the same effect. :/

Philosophies are tools I have used to become a better slave, but like any good tool, if they get dull and no longer do the job they're intended for or if I get so attached to the, er, 'hoe" that I don't pay attention to the weeds, then they go to the back of the shed! There are other tools that work better for this (slave improvement) but most of those are wielded by the dominant. Still, I do like to try to pull my own weight, when allowed.

Spiritual? Don't usually go there with bdsm, unless I've drunk a little wine and am feeling poetic. ;0 Then in the morning when I'm down and normal again I look at myself in the mirror and think, "What an ass!" (and no, I am not looking at my back!) From what I've observed, it's too easy for things to get cessily monfused with one another and for less understanding, not more, to be the result when you do the spirtual/sex mix (well, unless it is tantra. Tantra is pretty clear cut: do these actions and have better sex.) Besides, the great majority of my spirituality is atheistic social materialism, which doesn't exactly lead to a lot of uplifting moments...although it can be interesting to see what one can wrest out of content such as Horheimer and Adorno's when one is a little inebriated...or desperate. :-p At very least, it gets my mind off how much I need sex...well, at least for five minutes.



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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/26/2009 10:03:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		An understanding and, ideally, sharing of the potential depth of intimacies with whomever I am with is enhancing to the experience for me, yes.  Inevitably, things suffer, for me, when the other finds said acts to be merely physical in nature while all the experience and kink in the world can not hold a candle to true connection. 
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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/26/2009 2:19:05 PM   
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Does an understanding of the psychological and philosophical - even spiritual - aspects of D/s increase the pleasure thereof? I believe so but I'm curious about others opinions.
For me, it does.  I won't do mindplay unless I have some idea of what goes in a particular submissive's mind and her soul...what her likely emotional and mental response is likely to be as well as her physiological response. 

I had an interesting scene once with a submissive who I knew enjoyed interracial encounters from a place within her that encompassed all sorts of aesthetic, mental, physiological triggers wrapped within D/s.  While I was taking her tight, rounded ass I was growling to her about how I knew that SHE would just love it were I to bring a black dominant in to do the same things to her I had been doing and then, fuck her in the same manner I was.  Her verbal response, her body's response told me I was getting to her mind.  When I then began describing a scene in which she would be taken in the ass by me and then the black dominant and then me and then the black dominant until the black dominant and I were through making her cum, she started begging to cum before I'd ever finished the scene.  After her orgasm, I began to then fuck her again while describing for her what I would do after the black dominant left for the night...how I would once again mark her as solely mine by taking her to the tub and urinating on her, then showering with her, and taking her to bed to cuddle.  Again, her moans and groans and orgasm told me that I had gotten through to her.

Now, I can think of a submissive where the above scene would not have worked.  She'd have been responding to what I was doing to her physically but not in a mental or emotional way to the scene described above.  However, if I'd gone into a scene describing her being taken by both me and a femdominant, she'd have been panting and ooohing and ahhhing, especially if the femdominant had been into her but not into me at all.

Tis different for everyone and one size does not fit all.  However, an understanding of basic psychology and the ins/outs of "Control/Yield" psychology does help.  If you are going to play mind games, especially but even if not...then for me, the psychology of what it is we do when we interact on a D/s level and/or a BDSM level---how it affects her, how it affects me---is helpful to me.

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RE: Psychological and philosophical aspects of D/s - 9/26/2009 4:59:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The psychological and philosophical - even spiritual - aspects of D/s" are unique for each person and/or relationship.  No two will be exactly the same.  I'm still a relative newbie at this point, but I do know that a better understanding of ourselves and each other can only be a positive thing, in my opinion.

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