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gift4mistress -> Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 4:17:44 PM)

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

It appears as if the government is looking to cut 384 border patrol units. Personally, I find this to be contrary to protecting us. The fact that none of the major news agencies (i.e cbs/fox) has yet to shed this in to the public light is awful and devastating to this nation.






mnottertail -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 4:24:08 PM)

well if you slosh around I am sure that there is a recession on and the government isnt taking in even the meager tax revenues that it used to, as well as the fence that was built has had 3,000 holes cut in it at 1000 bucks a pop to repair, so that should keep us safe.

Was that fence a democratic idea?




servantforuse -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 4:53:40 PM)

Instead of reducing agents on the border, we should hire and train more. Maybe then the illegals crossing the border couldn't cut holes in the fence.




Arpig -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 5:44:11 PM)

AsI said in another thread, the border's just too fucking long, and up North we Canadians don't have a hope in Hell of watching our side of it...there isn't enough of us (we could cover it if we all lined up holding hands...but we do have other things to do[;)]) and the Mexicans just don't really have any real incentive to patrol their side. Fences, walls, moats...they will all be breached, and even from your article the border patrol only has some 800-900 miles under "effective control" which means that "when the Border Patrol detects an illegal border crosser in a particular area of the border the agency can be expected to succeed in apprehending that person." And that's out of a total of 8607 miles of border and coast they are responsible for (roughly 10%), so you'd have to increase the size of the border patrol by a factor of 10 to secure the whole area of its responsibility (which for some reason the linked article implies doesn't include the Canadian-Alaskan border....). There just ain't no way you can stop them from coming in if they want to, well short of minefields I guess.




mnottertail -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 6:20:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Instead of reducing agents on the border, we should hire and train more. Maybe then the illegals crossing the border couldn't cut holes in the fence.


So, bigger government is the conservatives answer to any imagined threat?




slutslave4u -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 6:26:53 PM)

They want in, they'll get in, it's that simple!




Brain -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 6:27:17 PM)

The economy is not doing well as everyone knows and many jobs have been lost so they just are not crossing the border because jobs are not plentiful anymore. Maybe if the economy improves and more illegals cross the border they will be called back to work. They really don't need them right now.

quote:

ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

It appears as if the government is looking to cut 384 border patrol units. Personally, I find this to be contrary to protecting us. The fact that none of the major news agencies (i.e cbs/fox) has yet to shed this in to the public light is awful and devastating to this nation.








tazzygirl -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 6:29:12 PM)

They need them more than US workers right now... most are paid far less.




gift4mistress -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 7:23:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well if you slosh around I am sure that there is a recession on and the government isnt taking in even the meager tax revenues that it used to, as well as the fence that was built has had 3,000 holes cut in it at 1000 bucks a pop to repair, so that should keep us safe.

Was that fence a democratic idea?


I would much rather them cut off welfare than to cut off the border patrol agents. There is a very real possible scenario that can be played out where people bring in biological/nuclear weapons to use on us through the southern border.




thornhappy -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 7:27:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

It appears as if the government is looking to cut 384 border patrol units. Personally, I find this to be contrary to protecting us. The fact that none of the major news agencies (i.e cbs/fox) has yet to shed this in to the public light is awful and devastating to this nation.


Agents, not units, as the article itself says.  Out of 17,399 agents on the southern border.

"Easterling said on Tuesday that in fiscal 2009, 17,399 Border Patrol agents have been deployed on the U.S.-Mexico border. In fiscal year 2010, the Border Patrol plans to decrease that by 384 agents, leaving 17,015 deployed along the Mexican frontier. At the same time, the number of Border Patrol agents deployed on the U.S.-Canada border will be increased by 414, from a fiscal 2009 total of 1,798 agents to a fiscal 2010 total of 2,212."

I can see why, given the larger news stories this week, why major media wouldn't report on it. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 7:27:48 PM)

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mnottertail -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 7:28:29 PM)

you havent drank enough to play that scenario




DavanKael -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 7:49:17 PM)

Border patrol is ineffective.  What I find puzzling is why they want to beef up the Canadian forces: to keep Canadians out or Americans in?!
  Davan




rulemylife -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 8:19:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

It appears as if the government is looking to cut 384 border patrol units. Personally, I find this to be contrary to protecting us. The fact that none of the major news agencies (i.e cbs/fox) has yet to shed this in to the public light is awful and devastating to this nation.



From your link:


Easterling said on Tuesday that in fiscal 2009, 17,399 Border Patrol agents have been deployed on the U.S.-Mexico border. In fiscal year 2010, the Border Patrol plans to decrease that by 384 agents, leaving 17,015 deployed along the Mexican frontier. At the same time, the number of Border Patrol agents deployed on the U.S.-Canada border will be increased by 414, from a fiscal 2009 total of 1,798 agents to a fiscal 2010 total of 2,212.


GAO-09-93, Northern Border Security

The United States shares nearly 4,000 miles of border with Canada
stretching from the Pacific to the Atlantic coasts, and the U.S.-
Canadian border is considered to be the world's longest open border
between two nations.

There is a great deal of trade and travel across
this border, and approximately 90 percent of Canada's population lives
within 100 miles of the U.S. border.

While legal trade is predominant,
DHS reports networks of illicit criminal activity and smuggling of
drugs, currency, people, and weapons between the two countries.


Annually, CBP reports making approximately 4,000 arrests and interdicts
approximately 40,000 pounds of illegal drugs at and between the
northern border ports of entry.

Historically, these numbers have been
significantly lower than those of the southwest border;[Footnote 5]
however,
DHS reports that the terrorist threat on the northern border
is higher, given the large expanse of area with limited law enforcement
coverage.










ElaineSubmits -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 8:34:37 PM)

From the numbers given in the article cited, that would be about a 2% drop in personnel on the southern border, about a 23% increase on the northern border. It would still leave the southern border much more heavily patrolled, especially on a personnel per length basis. It sounds like a pretty reasonable reallocation of resources. It's amazing how some persons are so committed to gloom and doom that they can manufacture apocalypse out of just about anything.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 9:28:41 PM)

FR...

The Mexican border could easily be sealed at far less a cost and without firing any border guards but the political will is not there to do it




thornhappy -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 10:03:14 PM)

how would you do it?





Arpig -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 11:25:12 PM)

quote:

FR...

The Mexican border could easily be sealed at far less a cost and without firing any border guards but the political will is not there to do it
I'm with thornhappy on this one FDD, just how would you seal the border at such low cost?




GreedyTop -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 11:28:36 PM)

oh, god.. here we go...............




sappatoti -> RE: Lets cut border patrol (9/25/2009 11:35:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy
how would you do it?

Radio fencing. One of our local hardware stores (mom n' pop, not the big-box freaks) are having a blow-out sale on radio fencing.

I'm not sure they'll have enough collars for everyone to wear though.




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