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MsFlutter -> Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 4:28:43 AM)

Poland okays forcible castration....



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 4:39:07 AM)

Although chemical castration has been shown to work the fact this has largely been voluntary in the past should have been considered by the authorities in Poland. I expect it isn't all to do with hormones but also relates to psychological attitude i.e. if you agree to a treatment then you have the attitude that the problem is yours to fix but if you have something forced upon you that could only lead to resentment. What is the treatment for the tiny number of females with this problem or don't they exist?



sirsholly -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 5:16:12 AM)

thats not the form of castration i would choose.....



estah -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 7:28:59 AM)

I am more for the removal of the offending body part, whether it be penis, finger or whatever....*grins evilly*



LadyEllen -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 7:31:35 AM)

I'm sure the European courts are going to have something to say on this, subject to the Polish judiciary allowing it. There is this pesky little thing in EU law, which is supreme to and must be used in the interpretation of all member states' laws, about human rights. And unfortunately perhaps, forcible castration is unlikely to meet the requisite standards.

I foresee some enormous civil lawsuits against the Polish authorities, who since they get their money from the Germans and us probably wont be too worried about the costs for settlement, but who might be more concerned about the criminal implications of deliberately violating a citizen's human rights. Meanwhile, affected paedophiles will effectively be made millionaires at German and British taxpayers' expense - a most suitable outcome I dont think.

E



Acer49 -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 9:52:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MsFlutter

Poland okays forcible castration....


put him in prison, in the general population and have the guards leak his crime, chances are he will be dead in a week



pahunkboy -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 12:15:14 PM)

...I don't know how to say this.   But the law makers are so guilty of this.  It is in high places thru out world government.   That whole acorn thing.   Ok-  that is what is was about.    Do your own research....



LadyEllen -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 12:22:02 PM)

For the sake of the "hang 'em high" crowd, it should be noted that the current Polish government is one dominated by ideas totally outside the modern western norm when it comes to sexuality and gender. Of particular note is that gay males and paedophiles are regarded by the government party as interchangeable terms. More generally, unless you're heterosexual with no aims other than the procreation of children to the greater glory of (the Catholic) God, you're in trouble.

So, if this subject is to be commented on in general, have at it with the "hang 'em high" stuff, but if comments are to be made in the Polish context then kindly bear the above in mind.

E



pahunkboy -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/27/2009 12:26:48 PM)

I heard of that attitude in Russia- who lost alot of men in wars so there is a man shortage.

It seems to men treat the woman like crap because they know they can- that a better man is - no where to be found.

hmm.

We could look at a Massachusetts registry law that snagged guys for going parking.   That was not the intent of the law.

In a way we need less laws- not more.

But on this topic- I doubt less laws will get far- but truly the governments or the world are so corrupt-  they do this in ways that would freak you out.    The former head of the FBI interviewed over the whole mess.    I did not catch his name-



allthatjaz -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 3:09:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsFlutter

Poland okays forcible castration....


If a man is castrated after his hormonal change then it often makes little difference to his sexual desires and this is why the Ottoman Empire castrated boys at a young age for the use in harems and even then they used radical castration (removal of testicles and penis) to create the much valued eunuch.



sirsholly -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 3:11:13 AM)

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If a man is castrated after his hormonal change then it often makes little difference to his sexual desires
thats why pedophiles should be on death row



kittinSol -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 6:36:33 AM)

The death penalty is outlawed in the European Union.



DavanKael -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 8:01:36 AM)

Revoke the prohobition of death penalties in the European Union and end 'em. 
Davan



AnimusRex -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 8:24:34 AM)

fast reply

pedophiles...do you mean the 18 year old boy who had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend? By law, he is a sex offender, and put on the eternal list of pedophiles, which will follow him for life.

I know that pedophilia is an incredibly inflammatory topic, and tends to bring out the darkest part of our psyche- I am a father so I get it.

BUT...there are vastly different types and conditions of illegal sex with minors,, and deserving of different penalties. There are some pedophiles who truly need to be kept away from society for life- but others can be rehabilitated and live normally.




kittinSol -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 8:28:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Revoke the prohobition of death penalties in the European Union and end 'em. 
Davan



Why? It's a good thing that membership of the EU prohibits capital punishment :-) .



DavanKael -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 8:37:58 AM)

Hi, AnimusRex----
I agree that there are distinctions.  When I speak of pedophiles, I'm speaking of people who commit sexual acts with children...what I'm speaking of is an animal sick enough to make it very clear what the outcome needs to be. 
And, btw, I disagree with your statement that murder is worse than child molestation. 

Hi, KittenSol----
I'm a fan of the death penalty to wipe particular sorts of sick animals out of society and if someone committed particular crimes against me or mine, I'd take geat pleasure in personally bringing forth their end if offered the opportunity. 
  Davan



kittinSol -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 8:43:30 AM)

Good thing for you that you don't live in Europe then. You'd get very frustrated over there.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 8:48:52 AM)

This whole thread will be d eleted most likely anyway since it's probably against TOS, but I feel that people who've commited crimes no matter how henious if they want to reform and have done so succesfully deserve the chance to re habilitate and transition back into society and productive life. It wouldn't be condusive to my healing to be like good kill the fucker.

edited becuse I got part of a quote in there I didn't need.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael


Hi, KittenSol----
I'm a fan of the death penalty to wipe particular sorts of sick animals out of society and if someone committed particular crimes against me or mine, I'd take geat pleasure in personally bringing forth their end if offered the opportunity. 
  Davan




DavanKael -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 11:17:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

This whole thread will be d eleted most likely anyway since it's probably against TOS, but I feel that people who've commited crimes no matter how henious if they want to reform and have done so succesfully deserve the chance to re habilitate and transition back into society and productive life. It wouldn't be condusive to my healing to be like good kill the fucker.

edited becuse I got part of a quote in there I didn't need.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael


Hi, KittenSol----
I'm a fan of the death penalty to wipe particular sorts of sick animals out of society and if someone committed particular crimes against me or mine, I'd take geat pleasure in personally bringing forth their end if offered the opportunity. 
Davan




Some things are beyond redemption and some things are not rehabilitatable. 
Davan



sirsholly -> RE: Consequences for pedophiles... (9/28/2009 1:04:34 PM)

My understanding is rehabilitation for a pedophile is very very rare.



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