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Uncommon Passions - 9/27/2009 5:10:55 PM   
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Generally speaking, many of us here are very passionate people.  This is not just a sexual thing, but an overall response to life.  I am one of those.  I am a passionate person and I am constantly insisting on getting down and dirty in life.  I have to roll up my sleeves and do, rather than stand by or passively supporting the efforts of others.  There are so many roles people can play out there to effect change and help those areas that concern us.  I am just one who simply must go in deep for myself.

I also happen to have a dominant partner.  This person is very protective of me and does not take well to people or circumstances placing me in a harmful or dangerous situation.  I absolutely adore that!  On the other hand, however, my very nature leads me into harm's way quite frequently.  My most recent absence from the boards was an example of that.  I won't go into detail, but I knew things were going to be tense and specifically gave him all the information I knew and asked him if he approved of me going.  I told him I would abide by his decision.  He knew it meant a great deal to me, so he gave his blessing and I went.  It was wonderful.  It was horrible.  I would do it all again in a heartbeat.

I am interested to hear how others balance such things.  A dominant is more apt to determine for themselves how much risk is acceptable for them and still within the best interest of their partner and the relationship as a whole.  The submissive, on the other hand, can be quite limited in what is seen as an acceptable and appropriate risk to the dominant's property.  The balancing act between protection and stifling the passionate spirit of the submissive might well be an elusive one.  It become even more so the more extreme and hands on those passions are.

Dominants, how do you walk this line to keep your submissive both protected AND fulfilled?  Have you run into difficulty doing this when you know that there is a significant risk of harm?

Submissives, how have you felt about decisions that have been made that limited your ability to work on causes or capacities you felt strongly about?  Have you ever felt there was a conflict between needing to serve others in such ways that brought along attendant risk and the care and protection your dominant partner insisted upon?

I can honestly say that as much as I want my only passion to be my dominant partner that there is so much more to me as a person and to my character than just this part of my life.  That may make me less than in some peoples' eyes, but it is nonetheless who I am and my partner and I wouldn't have me be any other way.  Learning how to work with that tender, passionate heart of mine is a curve we are both enjoying and yet it brings the occasional tension.  He wants what is best for me.  Deciding what that is isn't always as easy and clear cut as it seems.  I guess that is always how it is when the choices are between good, better, and best. 

Thanks!

lovingpet

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/27/2009 5:54:31 PM   
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Submissives, how have you felt about decisions that have been made that limited your ability to work on causes or capacities you felt strongly about?  Have you ever felt there was a conflict between needing to serve others in such ways that brought along attendant risk and the care and protection your dominant partner insisted upon?


when i made a conscious decision to seek absolute servitude, i did so with my eyes wide open. the conflicts you speak of are of little concern. i accept that there are activities that he may feel are less important in the daily scheme he creates for us. i accept that i may have to sacrifice things i enjoy in deference to him and his needs. i am certain that aside from these things he will keep my best interests in mind and make allowances if he deems necessary. i have little desire for control and i'm happy to forsake those things. i've had a lifetime to do them, at this point i'm ready for other challenges.

for me it is merely a matter of choice. i mentioned this earlier to someone. slavery isn't a do si do. one is either in or out. i cannot pick and choose what can or can't be surrendered. to attempt such negates the very thing i'm seeking to have. surrender is a continued process and each day i diligently seek things i can release. life is so much easier when this occurs. my commitment to living authentically in the manner he prefers exceeds those luxuries. i believe this is also an issue of compatibility and much of this is addressed when a couple is getting acquainted. while i may impress upon him the importance of something i enjoy, the final decision is his. he needn't grant it or give consideration at all. that is the life i choose. my need to serve wholeheartedly outweighs all the small stuff.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/27/2009 6:48:51 PM   
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I don't tend to do dangerous things so I don't have this conflict. The major problem is that of late, my night vision is nonexistent and if he's not here, I still have to drive my children. He worries about that, and I'm supposed to call in upon return to tell him I made it safely.

I was late tonight in that call because my daughter had just herself made it safely back to college and I needed to know that. But his concern for me is like mine for her, protection of someone you love.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 2:32:31 AM   
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my very nature leads me into harm's way quite frequently.  My most recent absence from the boards was an example of that.  I won't go into detail, but I knew things were going to be tense and specifically gave him all the information I knew and asked him if he approved of me going.  I told him I would abide by his decision.  He knew it meant a great deal to me, so he gave his blessing and I went.  It was wonderful.  It was horrible.  I would do it all again in a heartbeat.



i'm all for having details really

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 4:59:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovingpet
my very nature leads me into harm's way quite frequently.  My most recent absence from the boards was an example of that.  I won't go into detail, but I knew things were going to be tense and specifically gave him all the information I knew and asked him if he approved of me going.  I told him I would abide by his decision.  He knew it meant a great deal to me, so he gave his blessing and I went.  It was wonderful.  It was horrible.  I would do it all again in a heartbeat.



i'm all for having details really


LOL!!!

I have always been on for taking care of people regardless of the conditions. That is a detailed as detailed gets. 

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 5:51:24 AM   
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I don't as a rule do dangerous things, but I am very big on helping and entertaining people to the point of not offending by saying "No," and sometimes I really stress and tire myself out doing so.  Sir will tell me to put out my Do Not Disturb sign or else I will burn myself out.  At the same time that I want to always do as He wishes, it's against my nature to not do those above-mentioned things.  Ultimately, though, I know He is right and do as He tells me & I am better off for it.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 6:49:04 AM   
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I have always been on for taking care of people regardless of the conditions. That is a detailed as detailed gets. 

lovingpet


caring for people surely is not so dangerous... the mind boggles as to what the conditions were...
an elderly couple perched on the top branche of an elm tree?
or did you have to help free a child who got itself stuck halfway up a chimney? Or maybe a fire spitting lunatic needed his toe nails cutting?

as you can see i am in serious need of details

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 7:04:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ranja

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I have always been on for taking care of people regardless of the conditions. That is a detailed as detailed gets. 

lovingpet


caring for people surely is not so dangerous... the mind boggles as to what the conditions were...
an elderly couple perched on the top branche of an elm tree?
or did you have to help free a child who got itself stuck halfway up a chimney? Or maybe a fire spitting lunatic needed his toe nails cutting?

as you can see i am in serious need of details


This was not the specific case this time, but I think there are more than a few that can attest to how dangerous it can get just trying to do well by others when the political situation is ugly.  Consider what humanitarian workers encounter in many countries around the world and you have some idea.  This was not a strictly humanitarian project, but did involve upholding the human rights of people in the face of serious opposition.  Yes, taking care of people can be very dangerous indeed.  As for bringing much clarity, I'm sorry that I just simply can't.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 7:22:50 AM   
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I think your partner handled it well, apparently keeping in mind your fulfillment as well as your safety. That kind of communication is the best way to achieve the balance you asked about.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 7:33:21 AM   
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Ah... in the way of you have a certain vocation... a calling to a greater good...

selfish me...i do not put myself in danger in such ways, unless it would have something to do with my family or real good friends... and i suppose if i would have a vocation like that He would be understanding and deal with it...
but realistically my putting myself in danger caring for people would be either serving tea to the couple in the elm tree which he would amusedly watch... probably putting a big inflatable cushion under the tree or it would be because He would decide to pimp me to a really bad ass of a guy... but He never will...

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 8:21:39 AM   
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I don't find anyone's choices in life selfish or unselfish, just appropriate for them and their own personal temperment.  Everyone's role is important.  Goodness knows the elderly couple stuck in the elm tree appreciates this very well!  LOL

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 8:27:32 AM   
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I think your partner handled it well, apparently keeping in mind your fulfillment as well as your safety. That kind of communication is the best way to achieve the balance you asked about.


I think he did too, though I think there are moments where he might second guess those choices.  We are a very open and communicative couple and he has always known such things not only could, but would, come up.  I find that people who want to eradicate very critical parts of who I am usually did not really accept or respect me in the first place.  I guess it is possible to let go of something that is this defining of one's personality for another, but I would find it the most precious of loving gestures to refuse such a gift.

I am sure there will be times where he will determine the risk is simply entirely too great.  At those times he may decide to accompany me to mitigate that or refuse permission for me to do that particular event.  I can know with great assurance that he has no interest in banning me from doing what speaks to me and keeps me passionate and lively.  That means a great deal to me.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 11:58:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovingpet

Generally speaking, many of us here are very passionate people.  This is not just a sexual thing, but an overall response to life.  I am one of those.  I am a passionate person and I am constantly insisting on getting down and dirty in life.  I have to roll up my sleeves and do, rather than stand by or passively supporting the efforts of others.  There are so many roles people can play out there to effect change and help those areas that concern us.  I am just one who simply must go in deep for myself.

I also happen to have a dominant partner.  This person is very protective of me and does not take well to people or circumstances placing me in a harmful or dangerous situation.  I absolutely adore that!  On the other hand, however, my very nature leads me into harm's way quite frequently.  My most recent absence from the boards was an example of that.  I won't go into detail, but I knew things were going to be tense and specifically gave him all the information I knew and asked him if he approved of me going.  I told him I would abide by his decision.  He knew it meant a great deal to me, so he gave his blessing and I went.  It was wonderful.  It was horrible.  I would do it all again in a heartbeat.

I am interested to hear how others balance such things.  A dominant is more apt to determine for themselves how much risk is acceptable for them and still within the best interest of their partner and the relationship as a whole.  The submissive, on the other hand, can be quite limited in what is seen as an acceptable and appropriate risk to the dominant's property.  The balancing act between protection and stifling the passionate spirit of the submissive might well be an elusive one.  It become even more so the more extreme and hands on those passions are.

Dominants, how do you walk this line to keep your submissive both protected AND fulfilled?  Have you run into difficulty doing this when you know that there is a significant risk of harm?

Submissives, how have you felt about decisions that have been made that limited your ability to work on causes or capacities you felt strongly about?  Have you ever felt there was a conflict between needing to serve others in such ways that brought along attendant risk and the care and protection your dominant partner insisted upon?

I can honestly say that as much as I want my only passion to be my dominant partner that there is so much more to me as a person and to my character than just this part of my life.  That may make me less than in some peoples' eyes, but it is nonetheless who I am and my partner and I wouldn't have me be any other way.  Learning how to work with that tender, passionate heart of mine is a curve we are both enjoying and yet it brings the occasional tension.  He wants what is best for me.  Deciding what that is isn't always as easy and clear cut as it seems.  I guess that is always how it is when the choices are between good, better, and best. 

Thanks!

lovingpet

If I had a slave who desired to be say a police or fire person and this is what she needed for fulfillment then I would support her 100 percent. Would I like her choice, not really, but there are some decisions I believe a Master should not make unless asked to do so, this being one of them. Al I could do is ask the "Man upstairs" to keep her safe and rely on his decision.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 12:38:54 PM   
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There is a difference between dangerous and stupid.
Master would not hesitate to dismiss verbally a person who did not use common sense to know the difference.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 1:04:01 PM   
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I think basically how Acer described it is how my partner approached it.  He knew it was something that would give me a great deal of fulfillment, but he could only hope that I would come out the other side okay. 

I definitely agree, however, that there is a line between dangerous and stupid.  I also think that line can be fat and blatantly apparent, or it can be razor thin and be tipped over in an instant.  I think he had to take into account my own track record for common sense, basic safety, and the like before he could even consider allowing me to do anything remotely considered dangerous.  He also had to look at what experience I have had handling a dangerous situation reaching that tipping point, why things tipped in those instances, and if I am capable of bringing things back in line safely.  I do happen to have that kind of experience due to others' decisions on previous projects and have managed them well in the past.  He knows this and, therefore, trusted me to go out and do something like this.

I will say I was very conscious of what kind of trust he was placing in me and the kind of expectations he was holding for me.  It made me even keener to what was going on and my situation and helped me stay safe.  I knew failing (even if not a major kind of situation) would result in the loss of his ability to trust me in such situations in the future.  I had to put forth just a little bit more than I would have previously for his sake.  It was a very good thing to know I had someone brooding over my well being and anxious for my safe return.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 3:49:59 PM   
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Dominants, how do you walk this line to keep your submissive both protected AND fulfilled?  Have you run into difficulty doing this when you know that there is a significant risk of harm?
Actually, for me the problem isn't ensuring she is fulfilled. Carol is not a natural thrill seeker. For her, the problem is making sure I do not allow her to become TOO safe. She can become weak when allowed to live completely without risk. She needs to face her fears now and again.

Insofar as situations where there is "significant risk of harm", I would never allow her to be in a situation wherein I thought she was truly in peril. Smaller amounts of harm fall into the "that which does not kill you makes you stronger" category and I have no problem allowing those. I understand the concept of "tough love". Hardest for me is the harm I cause her myself. Sometimes the commands I give her are not pleasant for her. I've also come to accept that as reasonable and necessary for preserving balance in our marriage.

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RE: Uncommon Passions - 9/28/2009 5:11:01 PM   
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Dominants, how do you walk this line to keep your submissive both protected AND fulfilled?  Have you run into difficulty doing this when you know that there is a significant risk of harm?
Actually, for me the problem isn't ensuring she is fulfilled. Carol is not a natural thrill seeker. For her, the problem is making sure I do not allow her to become TOO safe. She can become weak when allowed to live completely without risk. She needs to face her fears now and again.

Insofar as situations where there is "significant risk of harm", I would never allow her to be in a situation wherein I thought she was truly in peril. Smaller amounts of harm fall into the "that which does not kill you makes you stronger" category and I have no problem allowing those. I understand the concept of "tough love". Hardest for me is the harm I cause her myself. Sometimes the commands I give her are not pleasant for her. I've also come to accept that as reasonable and necessary for preserving balance in our marriage.


I don't know that I've ever classified myself as a thrill seeker.  The "thrill" is an unfortunate side dish to the main courses I happen to love.  I have causes and special areas of service that really do mean a lot to me.  I don't really want the risk.  It is just a hurdle I have to face if I want to do those things that are so important.

I do understand the concept of being kept too safe.  For the most part, I prefer to keep my gambles small and not step out too far for fear of failing or falling.  I need someone to shake me out of that sometimes.  I need someone to see that I am holding myself back with unreasonable fears and give me that push sometimes.  When it comes to these rare few areas of life, however, all bets are off and I will do most anything to accomplish what I believe to be very important work.

The crux of the issue for this OP is the fact that peril is quite a real part of the deal for these things.  It can be managed and hopefully controlled, contained, or avoided, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be no matter how hard either of us try.  What is his is at some kind of risk.  I know he doesn't like that.  I think he hates it more to see me shrink and that fire in me die.  Tough love in these cases is sometimes stepping on my enthusiasm and making me pull back when everything in me wants to charge forward.  Most times though, I just need to know he is in my corner and helping me do what means so much to me.

lovingpet

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