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SteelofUtah -> ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 6:46:24 PM)

I read a lot of threads these days where someone says they are having a serious issue with one of the Facets of their relationship, it isn't getting any better, and they are starting to feel as though they aren't happy and don't know if they should leave or not.

The Return they get varies but before long someone will chime in with...

"So all this other stuff is fine but you are so selfish that if you arent getting it then you are willing to walk?"

or

"So what is the relationship about? Is it about the Love and Commitment you made or is about getting this thing out of it?"

These guilt ridden messages serve no purpose other than to shame the person into feeling bad for feeling at all.

I feel that a relationship is about having a certain amount of needs and wants met at the same time either all the time or on a regular enough interval that they don't feel neglected.

Let me say this. Sex is not the Number one important thing on my list in fact of the three people in my relationship I am the LEAST Sexually driven, however if sex were all the sudden GONE you can be sure I would be giving walking papers quickly as it is really IMPORTANT that it be there and not forced and not begged for.

Let me say that oddly enough I have found LOVE to be the least important factor in a healthy relationship  (Now wait and read the rest before getting all pissy) I say this because Love is the one thing that everyone says they have for the other and it is NEVER enough to make things better, in fact it is often the one thing that keeps people together who really shouldn't be together.

I find that when it comes to a BDSM relationship due to the complex structues we create when anything that was once normal and plentiful starts to wane it causes stress in all the other areas of the relationship.

I feel that the relationsips I have REQUIRE Play and Love, and Sex, and Commitment, and Laughter, and Love of Movies, and Ability to get over petty issues. See if any one of those things stopped it would cause stress on other things and eventually the death of the relationship.

A Three Legged Stool can't Stand with only two legs. The Structure requires stability from all parts.

So what do you think a Relationship is Built on?

Steel




DesFIP -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 6:52:08 PM)

I've heard it said that sex is the glue that holds a marriage together and I believe it. If you have it, then you don't think about it and don't recognize its importance. It's only when it's missing that you realize how valuable it is.

Our relationship holds as its priority not his needs nor mine but the relationship's needs. We do what is needed to keep the relationship strong. Beyond that; sex, love, a similar set of ethics and morality. We see things in the same light and have the same concerns and priorities.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 6:54:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I feel that the relationsips I have REQUIRE Play and Love, and Sex, and Commitment, and Laughter, and Love of Movies, and Ability to get over petty issues. See if any one of those things stopped it would cause stress on other things and eventually the death of the relationship.

Steel

I think the above sounds very good, that plus trust.  I would say all of the above plus trust.  Sounds good to me.  Sir and I both INSIST on being kind to animals and a few other things also & if that were to go out the window so would the relationship, but yeah, it all sounds good.  :)  I think this is going to be a great thread, Steel, and make people really think.  Bravo. 




leadership527 -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 7:01:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
So what do you think a Relationship is Built on?
Love.

OK, more seriously, my definition of "love" is "that state in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own". Using that definition, if two people are in love with each other, then there's a pretty good chance they will make it work. Even then, there's no such thing as a gimme and two well intentioned fully capable people can still end up at "mutually irreconcileable differences". But more often than not, there is some sort of win-win in anything if both people want there to be.

I can live without play. I can live without lots of things. I can even live without sex. But I need Carol to think of my happiness as vital to her own. I need to think that way about her happiness. That's what floats my boat.




littlewonder -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 7:32:26 PM)

MY relationship is built on mutual compatibility




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 7:49:37 PM)

Relationships are built on whatever we mutually -decide that they're built on. To me, it's all about why you go into the relationship. If I go into a relationship for the affection/emotional aspect of the relationship, then that will be the thing that, if it isn't there, will make that relationship feel "unfulfilling". If I go into it for authority-transfer dynamics, and those aren't happening, then the relationship isn't meeting its expectations. In the same way, if there are multiple aspects in a relationship, we let the people around us know what is and isn't important to us, and being pro-active about those things is important.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with ending a relationship that is unsatisfying -- however, it seems to me that many people confuse themselves and others about what is important in their relationship through decisions they make when it comes to combining their personal relationships with society. For example, many individuals who are in authority-exchange dynamics get married. Now authority exchange dynamics have a certain set of expectations -- and marriage has a completely -different- set of expectations in modern society. When we tangle up the expectations, and then ask other peoples' opinions about what to do when we aren't finding a relationship fulfilling, it makes sense that we're going to get information that may not bear any real resemblance to anything that will be helpful.

The way to get around this is, if we choose to enter into societal contracts that might confuse what is important to us in a relationship, we need to 'customize' the general relationship, and actually take the time to shape the societal contract into something that -still- reflects the actual relationship we were seeking.

One thing that -may- make this a bit difficult is a situation where the people getting -into- the relationship aren't honest with one another about what they're seeking/expecting. They enter into relationship-style A, with the expectation that they can manipulate it and turn it into relationship-style B... which is all good if both partners were -really- looking at relationship-style A as a doorway to a relationship-style B... but if one's partner was really -looking- for a relationship-style A... then style B may not make it for hir, and xhe's going to be -very- unhappy over the long haul when relationship-style B doesn't fulfill hir original expectations under which xhe entered into a relationship in the first place.

Honesty solves almost all of these problems. Where honesty doesn't help is when circumstances outside of our control (illness, accident, etc.) lean on our relationships and -everyone's- expectations are turned on their head. Then we have to decide whether those kind of unanticipated situations are something we feel capable of dealing with or not. For example, one of my companions -absolutely- cannot handle the idea of having to take care of a chronically or terminally ill person. We discovered this when I got -very-, -very-, ill. That's a sucky time to figure out that the person you're with can't handle taking care of you, but hey, all of us have things we can't handle, right? Why should it be a huge surprise that some folks can't handle something that they -thought- they'd be able to (but had no experience with)?

Now we were in a relationship for the emotional/intellectual/metaphysical aspects. To me, those didn't go away because xhe discovered that xhe couldn't take care of me when I was sick... instead, I just made arrangements (with hir help) to make sure that if I got sick, we had help to take on the things xhe couldn't. If we hadn't been able to do that, and hir staying with me meant that xhe'd feel compelled to care for me, I would have encouraged our separation -- with at least enough separation that xhe wouldn't feel compelled to be my primary caregiver... but I wouldn't stop feeling affection for hir, enjoying hir company, etc.

If you aren't happy in your relationship, try to sort it out. Get help if you need to, and -definitely- get the other person/people in the relationship into the discussion. If you can't sort it out, then make an adult decision about whether you can honestly be invested in the relationship. If not, then do yourself and the other person(s) a favor and let go. While it's hard to see a relationship end, it is my opinion that it is better for a relationship to end than for people to continue a farce in the interests of (1) not looking bad to outsiders, or (2)clinging to avoid feeling guilty about letting go, or (3)playing the martyr.

Dame Calla





Sunnyfey -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 7:49:38 PM)

Honestly? A relationship starts with two people finding each other attractive for whatever reason. Then comes compatibility, then trust and love.




shadowowl -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 8:16:32 PM)

there are relationships that dont' have sex (like cockholding ones) but they have love
there are relationships around that dont have love and they are together out of loyality
there are relationships that don't have loyality but stay together because of trust, misplaced perhaps but trust non the less
there is also relationships that don't have loyality or trust but are held together by love
and some that don't have anything but sex.
what is needed for some is not by others.
So the only real answer is A relationship is built on compatibility of the people involved to have or not have various key elements (as listed above and others) included.  Which means there is no real answer cause compatiblity is unique to each person :)




dreamerdreaming -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 9:05:14 PM)

Mine are built on trust, love and caring, empathy and compassion, and mutual goals and compatability. And a lot of touching, holding and laughter!  [:)]




Elipsis -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:17:22 PM)

Well... by built on I'm going to take that to mean what is the foundation ...as in how do the relationships start and not where they end up.

Based on those definitions, relationships are not built on:

-Love (it takes a long time to really love someone so how could you build on it before it exists)
-Trust (probably not, trust has to be earned)

Relationships can be built on the following but it's probably not a good idea imo:

-BDSM / Fetish compatibilities (it's fun, but it's not much to go on)
-Sex (because you can have sex with anyone, and if this is where you start it will be easy to replace each other with someone else who also has sex)

Relationships are best built on the following, again imo:

-Respect (you don't have to have a long history with someone to treat them with respect)
-Admiration (it doesn't take long before you can determine if you think a person has admirable qualities)

Other ideas and things you might want to have:

-Commitment [depending on your kind of relationship] (you can start a relationship committed to each other, and both decide to make a best effort at making it work)
-Common Interests (not absolutely required, but they make spending time together easier and more enjoyable imo)



I didn't use the word "compatibility" anywhere in there because I feel like compatibility is sort of an umbrella that overall describes the sum of all of these (and more) parts in a relationship




DavanKael -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:28:17 PM)

I'm gonna agree with Jeff.  Today (Monday) would have been 19 years together for my ex- and I, we made it 17...lots of good times, some not-so-good times and the not-so-good times that we chose to surmount were overcome absolutely related to our love for and dedication to one another and to our union. 
  Davan




NihilusZero -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:34:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Let me say that oddly enough I have found LOVE to be the least important factor in a healthy relationship  (Now wait and read the rest before getting all pissy) I say this because Love is the one thing that everyone says they have for the other and it is NEVER enough to make things better, in fact it is often the one thing that keeps people together who really shouldn't be together.

80 points.




DavanKael -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:38:30 PM)

< grumbling about non-romantic people > and giving NZ a hug!  :>   
     Davan




NihilusZero -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:47:04 PM)

O,. sorry. There was a question, yes? [:D]

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

So what do you think a Relationship is Built on?

A complex, subtle underlying quid-pro-quo machine. It's not pretty to reduce it to such mechanisms, but what will keep the motor of the relationship running well is the idea that we are being fulfilled at least to our minimum requirements.

Problems will arise when these requirements are not being made known (perhaps from an individuals' own confusion about them) and when continual un-fulfillment of them is shrugged aside (usually because, as Steel mentioned, an individual feels compelled to struggle forward because anyways out of "love"). This is when resentment starts to fester. The moment your natural reaction to your partner becomes a sort of suspicion rather than support and a "benefit of the doubt" mentality, it matters not how fervently the "love" concept is felt.




NihilusZero -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:48:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< grumbling about non-romantic people > and giving NZ a hug!  :>   
    Davan

Just because the 'non-love'/'pro-romantic' crowd is small doesn't mean we don't exist!

*sniff* [:(]




Sunnyfey -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/27/2009 10:50:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< grumbling about non-romantic people > and giving NZ a hug!  :>   
   Davan

Just because the 'non-love'/'pro-romantic' crowd is small doesn't mean we don't exist!

*sniff* [:(]




Nope, NZ is the least romantic man I have ever met in my life..........


*blinks innocently*




DavanKael -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/28/2009 12:39:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< grumbling about non-romantic people > and giving NZ a hug!  :>   
  Davan

Just because the 'non-love'/'pro-romantic' crowd is small doesn't mean we don't exist!

*sniff* [:(]



Nope, NZ is the least romantic man I have ever met in my life..........

*blinks innocently*



< giggling >  You're going to blow his stoic rep!  :> 
     Davan




DavanKael -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/28/2009 12:41:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

< grumbling about non-romantic people > and giving NZ a hug!  :>   
  Davan

Just because the 'non-love'/'pro-romantic' crowd is small doesn't mean we don't exist!

*sniff* [:(]



Bah, clearly this difference of viewpoints must be settled over some Drambuie and cloves!  :> 
Davan




ranja -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/28/2009 1:09:18 AM)

i think our relationship is mainly built on a mutual agreement to put up with each other no matter what... leaving is just not an option




allthatjaz -> RE: ~A Relationship is built on .......~ (9/28/2009 2:50:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Well... by built on I'm going to take that to mean what is the foundation ...as in how do the relationships start and not where they end up.

Based on those definitions, relationships are not built on:

-Love (it takes a long time to really love someone so how could you build on it before it exists)
-Trust (probably not, trust has to be earned)

Relationships can be built on the following but it's probably not a good idea imo:

-BDSM / Fetish compatibilities (it's fun, but it's not much to go on)
-Sex (because you can have sex with anyone, and if this is where you start it will be easy to replace each other with someone else who also has sex)

Relationships are best built on the following, again imo:

-Respect (you don't have to have a long history with someone to treat them with respect)
-Admiration (it doesn't take long before you can determine if you think a person has admirable qualities)

Other ideas and things you might want to have:

-Commitment [depending on your kind of relationship] (you can start a relationship committed to each other, and both decide to make a best effort at making it work)
-Common Interests (not absolutely required, but they make spending time together easier and more enjoyable imo)



I didn't use the word "compatibility" anywhere in there because I feel like compatibility is sort of an umbrella that overall describes the sum of all of these (and more) parts in a relationship


Oh I think people can instantly fall in love. Look at a mother the moment she gives birth to her child. The love is instant.
IMO other important elements are chemistry, the scent of you partner and mutual aspiration.
I have respect, admiration and common interests with my friends and family but none of them are my partner




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