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The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is from the Rolling Stone magazine. Im curious as to how many have read it and what your thoughts are?

http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/30234884/inside_the_lie_machine_documents/photo/1

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30219673/the_lie_machine

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:39:42 PM   
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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:41:49 PM   
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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:53:30 PM   
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Looking at the artwork accompanying that second hit piece I had to laugh, especially when I thought back to how indignant Arpig became recently when I had to break the news to him that the Rolling Stone Magazine is about as biased as biased gets.






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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:54:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I asked for opinions to the piece... not about other people, Sanity.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:58:46 PM   
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You can't always get what you want.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 2:59:26 PM   
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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 3:04:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not when your trying to spin away from truths, Sanity. you do seem to have a habit of pointing yoru finger at other people when your at a loss for words regarding any topic.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 3:06:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My thoughts are that this is an old tactic that the GOP may be using now, but has been used by the Dems in the past. It is a tactic of deception and diversion, which is what our polticians are good at. Hold all politicians to the same standards.

Those are my views on this.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 3:12:20 PM   
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Who do you think I was pointing fingers at.... I'm not, I was laughing, tazzy, while reminiscing. That artwork punctuated a joke...

I wasn't at a loss for words, you're not making any sense. My comment was essentially that Rolling Stone is so blatantly biased that anything coming from them is an absolute joke - look at that artwork.

You can't be serious, this is like posting a piece from Rushlimbaugh.com and expecting it to be taken seriously, its absolutely the same.


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Not when your trying to spin away from truths, Sanity. you do seem to have a habit of pointing yoru finger at other people when your at a loss for words regarding any topic.



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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 3:16:20 PM   
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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 3:17:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		So... while i glaze over another of Sanity's rants... i did pick up on this link

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/09/28/health-insurers-gop/

It seems to me, without partisan bias.. that its politics as usual up on the hill. If someone could... calmly.. look at the link provided... im seeing how the insurance companies are asking for changes through admendments to the HC bill... whichever one is eventually voted in.

Why would they take into consideration what an insurance company would want, or not want, when they have had all this time and opportunity to police themselves and bring health care under control, and they refused or failed?

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 3:35:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't read all 36 pages of it.  I just don't have the time to sit down and read the left's summary of how the right calculates and scrutinizes all the ways democrats try to bring about change.  We all know the 'status quo' is unacceptable.  We know if we keep going as we are right now, (and I honestly, be it naive or not, feel big pharma and insurance companies don't want things to change...they want to continue to oversee the way things are run for their behalf), that when we need it, the system is going to be broke, busted and not there for us altogether. 

If people on this lone, little forum board can sit down and think of viable reasons to try to make this work, believe me, the politicians already know it could.  But who's in it for what cause?  If we knew ALL the answers to that question we would probably give up on the political system altogether.

I know people (usually) are afraid of change.  No matter how bad their situation is now, they are comfortable with it and willing to settle for leaving it as it is, if it means, for an instant, entertaining all the horrors that are proposed to them.  For that matter, that very mindset goes far further than healthcare but for all causes.  If people don't start truly, actually, hell...even selfishly, thinking for themselves in a way that could benefit our system we will be chained to the democratic/republican game.  We have other parties.  They are further minorities than blacks and hispanics though.  Its why I tend to vote for republican or democrat based on the causes being proposed...not on the party proposing them.  I know thats not standing 'up for what I truly believe in...but I feel its a waste of a vote and since I do believe in our system, however corrupt it may be, I don't want my vote wasted on an independant or libertarian vote, when at best can obtain 5% or less of a vote, and its going to be a repub or dem anyway.  So I try to put my voice in where I think I would best want it to be, under the way things just....are.

I don't even care if it is the public option anymore.  The conservatives have completed turned alot of people off to that phrase alone, so as far as I'm concerned, yea...drop it.  But!!!  Somehow, use their imagination as repubs do to debunk them, to bring true competition and fairness to the table.  Find a way to make insurance and big pharma concede (a tad).  Find a way to give people a better way than being stuck under a rock, in fear, at the mercy of those companies who are holding their breath that this reform doesn't pass.  Eliminate the waste.  Truly investigate it and take it seriously and stop it.  There is more than we'd like to admit as a contribution to this problem.  They'd sooner say eliminating waste is cutting benefits.  Whats worse is...people will believe that, instead of digging deeper into what means what.  And the people who stand up there, making it sound "oh-so-plausible"...are the people with the most to lose (financially).  On all counts.  Thats why we have people...not politicians, who can make these things happen....out in the streets, thinking of ways to kill the president.  Because the hype scares them too much to even find out if its true.

And alas...all I can do is give my thoughts on the summary of what I think.  How to really change it?  I haven't a clue.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 5:00:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Looking at the artwork accompanying that second hit piece I had to laugh, especially when I thought back to how indignant Arpig became recently when I had to break the news to him that the Rolling Stone Magazine is about as biased as biased gets.



Touche!


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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 5:07:32 PM   
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Find a way to make insurance and big pharma concede (a tad). Find a way to give people a better way than being stuck under a rock, in fear, at the mercy of those companies who are holding their breath that this reform doesn't pass. Eliminate the waste. Truly investigate it and take it seriously and stop it. There is more than we'd like to admit as a contribution to this problem. They'd sooner say eliminating waste is cutting benefits. Whats worse is...people will believe that, instead of digging deeper into what means what. And the people who stand up there, making it sound "oh-so-plausible"...are the people with the most to lose (financially). On all counts. Thats why we have people...not politicians, who can make these things happen....out in the streets, thinking of ways to kill the president. Because the hype scares them too much to even find out if its true.



And thats all people, the public.. are asking for.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 5:13:06 PM   
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I know people (usually) are afraid of change. 



Most Americans are not afraid of change so much as they're afraid that the current administration is going to lead us down the road to socialism.

Never in the history of the U.S. has there been as much of a threat bearing down on us as under the administration of Barack Hussein Obama.

I support the founding fathers of this country. Barack Hussein Obama does not. The founding fathers of the U.S. warned against a global government. They also warned that the U.S. should not involve themselves in wars that don't directly affect the U.S. borders.

George Bush and others before him ignored that advice. That's why I continue to say that I'm neither Democrat or Republican, but rather Libertarian.

I still believe in the basic tenets the founding fathers of the U.S laid out. I'm in the minority and I know it. But I'm not backing down just because I'm in the minority. I'll keep supporting the tenets the founding fathers of this country specified.

And be damned to those who choose to ignore the finest minds that ever governed the United States and fought tooth and nail to insure that our government would be free of entangling ties with any nation that did not directly threaten our own borders.


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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 6:01:58 PM   
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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 6:36:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		uhhh.. first of all... i never claimed to be collared. i am in a relationship. the rest of your post is too pathetic .. and too whiney... to comment on.

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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 6:50:11 PM   
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Again to no one person. I have always been a fan of Ayn Rand. And again, if you don't know who Ayn Rand is, then Google it.

I'll give you a clue. Ayn Rand believed in capitalism since she was a Russian refugee who escaped the big Soviet revolution.

Google her name. Then tell me if you have read any of her books. Then tell me how she was WRONG when she chose the U.S. to relocate to. Tell me how she was wrong when in her novel 'Atlas Shrugged", her speech from the fictional character 'John Galt" was somehow off the mark.

John Galt (the fictional character) said exactly what the U..S. should live by...

And one of the quotes from that book was: "I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man or expect him to live for me".

Enough said.


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RE: The Lie Machine - 9/29/2009 6:51:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to you. and thank you for your opinion, for that is all it is... your opinion.

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