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pahunkboy -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/2/2009 10:22:48 PM)
''' Notes lack of sources... foot notes and bibliographies..... "" per the recent posts...

DomKen -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/2/2009 11:26:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist I am hesitant because THERE JUST IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION on the long term effects to convince me that getting this is better than not. If they could show postive FACT that 20 to 30 years AFTER receiving this vaccine, that the receiver DOES NOT contract cervical cancer due to the virus; I would be the first in line...NO MATTER IF MY TEENAGER AGREED WITH ME OR NOT. However, they can't. And until they do, I remain on the side that says HELL NO. And this is the truly pathetic part. You claim to be well informed but you aren't. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THE HPV VACCINE CAN CAUSE CERVICAL CANCER. The vaccine contains 'virus like particles' (VPL) not live or attenuated virus. These VPL are externally identical to the HPV virus but contain no genetic material. Therefore there is no possible way that the vaccine could result in the virus genetic material getting into the cervical cells and causing the cancer. If you had done even cursory research on the subject you would know this. shakes head sadly It's obvious that the disconnect here is the fact that you obviously do not know how to read or comprehend what you can read. Such a shame to. shrug Oh well. Life goes on I'm sorry I tried to make some sort of sense of your claim. I guess you meant literally what you wrote. Which is extraordinarily uninformed. Do you know how many vaccines have been shown to prevent viral infection 20 or 30 years after vaccination? Zero. Have you noticed how we don't have polio epidemics anymore anyway? Seen anyone with smallpox lately? What we know for the polio vaccine and the smallpox vaccine and all other anti viral vaccines for that matter is that the body produces an immediate effective immune response. That's how vaccines work. They expose our bodies to the virus, or some part of it or a replica of it, that our bodies learn to recognize and destroy so if we ever get infected with the real thing our immune response kills it before we can get really sick. The HPV vaccine has been shown to produce that precise immune response. Will it still hold true in 20 or 30 years? Who knows? However if 85+% of the population is vaccinated, herd immunity, then those strains will find it almost impossible to spread even if some innoculated people stop having the correct immune response. It simply won't matter because the odds against an infected person coming into contact with an infectable person are so low. However every person who chooses not to get the shot now is another potential incubator for the virus and makes it that much more unlikely to get the population as a whole to herd immunity. If it helps at all think of it as not simply protecting your own child from a life threatening disease but protecting every woman who will every have sex with every man your daughter will ever have sex with etc. etc.

pahunkboy -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/3/2009 8:51:39 PM)
http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/1365500 protest in NY per swine flu forced vax med workers.....

einstien5201 -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/3/2009 9:49:57 PM)
I'll be the first to admit that I haven't studied HPV or the vaccine for it in any detail. My first child is still eight months away at this point, so vaccines for anyone other than myself isn't a topic I've spent much time on. That said, please correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that this vaccine is for a virus that is primarly (exclusively?) transmitted sexually. I also understand that the virus may be linked to cervical cancer, but that contracting the virus does not mean that you will develop the cancer. This is quite a contrast to most other vaccines I'm aware of, which protect against virii that are directly linked to a disease and which are transmitted in much more mundane and hard to avoid ways (airborne, touch, etc). Moreover, most of the vaccinations which are required for children are highly contagious and can be very life-threatening. I'm not saying that cervical cancer isn't life-threatening, but it certainly doesn't fall into the other two categories (highly contagious and easily communicable). With that in mind, it's easy to see why many parents (and yes, children) view this vaccine differently than the standard ones (measles, mumps, rubella comes to mind). Not only is the cost/benefit ratio not as high (and the risks of not taking it not as likely), but the act of vaccination can be taken as a tacit acceptance of your 14-year-old daughter becoming sexually active.

DomKen -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/4/2009 2:23:36 AM)
HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection. A sexually active 50 year old woman has an 80% chance to have been infected with at least one strain of HPV in her lifetime. HPV causes cervical, anal, penile, cancer and one kind of head and neck cancer. It's not just linked to those cancers it causes all of them. Every infection obviously doesn't lead to one of those cancers but why not wipe these strains out and prevent all that suffering.

nelly33 -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/4/2009 10:18:49 PM)
Like has been stated before, whether the we think that children should or should not be able to make their own decisions regarding vaccines and their own health, the law says they can. A child can refuse medical treatment regardless of what their parents say. It has actually come into play in the courts on many occasions, a lot in part because of Jehovah's witness's, and their stance on blood transfusions. I would like to say as well, I understand that everybody wants to believe that their children are different, and they think so much better than all the others, but they're still children. I was a teenager 4 years ago, and I like to think that I was smarter than most teenagers. I would've said that I was different than all the rest, and I fought with my parents about it when it came to trying to get them to let me do certain things. But the fact is, I was still susceptible to peer pressure, my hormones were crazy over the opposite sex, and I just acted the fool sometimes because I was a teenager... no matter how special your kids are, they simply cannot act with the same rationality as an adult. If you disagree with this, then just think if you think your child will be able to make better informed decisions in 5 years... I'm not saying all adults are more mature than all kids, but its usually the case. I might not have said this as well as I would like, but its a touchy debate, and I'm interested in it, so excuse the rambling

sirsholly -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/5/2009 8:48:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection. A sexually active 50 year old woman has an 80% chance to have been infected with at least one strain of HPV in her lifetime. HPV causes cervical, anal, penile, cancer and one kind of head and neck cancer. It's not just linked to those cancers it causes all of them. Every infection obviously doesn't lead to one of those cancers but why not wipe these strains out and prevent all that suffering. Ken...let me ask you something. You have a 15 yr old daughter and you want her to have the vaccine. She does not want it. Do you actually think your opinion will override hers?

DomKen -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/5/2009 12:36:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection. A sexually active 50 year old woman has an 80% chance to have been infected with at least one strain of HPV in her lifetime. HPV causes cervical, anal, penile, cancer and one kind of head and neck cancer. It's not just linked to those cancers it causes all of them. Every infection obviously doesn't lead to one of those cancers but why not wipe these strains out and prevent all that suffering. Ken...let me ask you something. You have a 15 yr old daughter and you want her to have the vaccine. She does not want it. Do you actually think your opinion will override hers? Yes. Just as my parents decisions over rode mine at that age. Of course I strongly doubt a child raised by me would believe in woo and the facts in this matter are incontravertible.

sirsholly -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/5/2009 3:38:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection. A sexually active 50 year old woman has an 80% chance to have been infected with at least one strain of HPV in her lifetime. HPV causes cervical, anal, penile, cancer and one kind of head and neck cancer. It's not just linked to those cancers it causes all of them. Every infection obviously doesn't lead to one of those cancers but why not wipe these strains out and prevent all that suffering. Ken...let me ask you something. You have a 15 yr old daughter and you want her to have the vaccine. She does not want it. Do you actually think your opinion will override hers? Yes. Just as my parents decisions over rode mine at that age. Of course I strongly doubt a child raised by me would believe in woo and the facts in this matter are incontravertible. The point is, Ken...if you drag your daughter to a doctor and she states that she does not want the vaccine, you and your opinions would not mean jack-snot. The doctor would not give it to her.

couldbemage -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (10/5/2009 4:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection. A sexually active 50 year old woman has an 80% chance to have been infected with at least one strain of HPV in her lifetime. HPV causes cervical, anal, penile, cancer and one kind of head and neck cancer. It's not just linked to those cancers it causes all of them. Every infection obviously doesn't lead to one of those cancers but why not wipe these strains out and prevent all that suffering. Ken...let me ask you something. You have a 15 yr old daughter and you want her to have the vaccine. She does not want it. Do you actually think your opinion will override hers? Yes. Just as my parents decisions over rode mine at that age. Of course I strongly doubt a child raised by me would believe in woo and the facts in this matter are incontravertible. The point is, Ken...if you drag your daughter to a doctor and she states that she does not want the vaccine, you and your opinions would not mean jack-snot. The doctor would not give it to her. I assume/hope you don't have kids. How do you make any child; eat vegatables do homework come home on time clean their room not hit their sister go to school etc.... I'll give you a hint. The answer isn't force. Making kids do things is easy. Stopping them is hard. Easy to make them take the vac. Hard to stop them from fucking.

NefertariReborn -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (2/9/2013 4:55:55 PM)
FR....Best reply I've read in a year. You must have kids.

OsideGirl -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (2/9/2013 5:05:06 PM)
This thread is 4 years old!!

LafayetteLady -> RE: Girl dies after HPV Jab. (2/9/2013 6:57:17 PM)
NM. I didn't even notice.

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