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poppings492 -> understanding (10/1/2009 6:10:50 PM)

I am not really into this but my boyfriend is and i want to understand more about this. But i kinda dont know what "this" is or what to expect from him. It scares me just alittle that he might want me to be subserviant to him. Where is the line drawn between being his girlfriend or being a sub for him?? What should i do to help cope with this better?? Any suggestion is so very much warranted please.
Thank You
[:)]




califsue -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 6:16:52 PM)

Welcome...

Search the forums for reading and it will keep you busy for days/nights. There is no one or right way to be a sub/girlfriend and yes you can be both. Communication is key in any relationship whether vanilla or things that involve kink/bdsm.

ResidentSadist among others has a list of suggested readings: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/tm.htm




DesFIP -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 6:18:21 PM)

Read and communicate. Does he want to tell you what to wear, what job to take, how to manage your money? Or is he only talking about in bed?

Beyond that is he somebody who can be trusted to tell you what to wear, does he have a fashion sense and know what is appropriate for different circumstances. Corset and hot pants to visit his grandmother in the nursing home are not appropriate.

Does he have a good career record or has he lost several jobs. Is he financially solvent, does he pay his bills on time.
Is he trustworthy? Meaning that if he drives under the influence you should not agree to get in while he drives. Risking your life is not a sign of him being competent to manage your life.

But I'm betting he's talking more about kinky sex, about having the right to have sex with you whenever he wants, however he wants. Do you want this? Because just as it appeals to him, you have every right to say that it doesn't float your boat. And you deserve to be happy in your relationship too.

Talk to him about every possible thing and think over what he says and how well it matches what he does. Somebody who says he wants you to trust him, and shows up three hours late for a date is not somebody you can take seriously. He has to earn your trust, has he?




kallisto -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 6:22:44 PM)

Welcome.   Talk to him.   Find out what "this" is, that he is into.    What does he want from the relationship and from you?  I agree with search the forums and read.   Ask questions.    Communication and knowledge will help you decide if "this" is something that you want to pursue.  




Elipsis -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 6:37:41 PM)

Only the two of you can really define the terms of your relationship.




looking4princess -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 6:46:50 PM)

Sorry, hate to be a naysayer, but i don't understand how you can be submissive if you don't feel the thrill and excitement of it. Isn't it kinda sad to pretend to be what you are not?




Gigaflare -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 7:15:24 PM)

Don't fret too much if you are not thrilled and excited at the idea of submitting at first. I had no idea I was into kinky stuff until I dated someone who was--then I loved it! Our kinks evolve through our life and being open to them is, of course, the first step! On the other hand, if you find that you are really are merely "coping" with his preferences in a partner, it would probably be in the best interests of both you to seek more compatible people.

That being said, bdsm means many different things to many different people. I would suggest (as many others already have) asking him what his ideas are first, since that will give you more of an idea on what to search for. Searching the forums beforehand won't hurt either, but realize that some people may be much deeper into this than you or your boyfriend may be.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 7:31:39 PM)

The line is drawn wherever YOU draw it.

Whether dominant, submissive, switch or vanilla:

Being someone's lover doesn't mean your brain falls out your ear. [8|]

You still choose whether or not you want to be submissive, dominant, switch, vanilla etc. at all, and under what conditions. (Maybe you want to be the dominant one... or maybe you do want to be submissive, but just not to him... or maybe you want to be able to switch roles, or maybe vanilla sex is your thing, etc.) 

YOU decide what you want. He decides what he wants. If the two mesh nicely, then you're a good match for each other. If not, then he's barking up the wrong tree, and you need to be able to tell him that. Vanilla sex can be perfectly yummy. Don't let him pressure you into something that doesn't suit you. And don't settle for a partner whose needs and desires aren't a good fit with yours.


"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
                                                                                -Neil Peart (Rush)





dreamerdreaming -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 7:41:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: looking4princess

Sorry, hate to be a naysayer, but i don't understand how you can be submissive if you don't feel the thrill and excitement of it. Isn't it kinda sad to pretend to be what you are not?



Exactly. Thank you.

Life's too short, to waste your youth trying to do or be something that you're just not that into doing or being. Do what thrills you. Then find someone who already enjoys that as well, and already enjoys you as you are- not as what he wishes you were




IronBear -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 8:13:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: looking4princess

Sorry, hate to be a naysayer, but i don't understand how you can be submissive if you don't feel the thrill and excitement of it. Isn't it kinda sad to pretend to be what you are not?


How can you......Nay how dare you take what may have been your experiences and overlay them on another as a filter to weed out those who need to explore this against those who are by nature submissive? The OP is simply asking fior advise and there is I dare say a goodly amount of kink folks who never knew they were submissive or by experimenting, liked it a slowly grew into their submission.




tammystarm -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 8:14:04 PM)

first all welcome best of wishes to you
i disagree with the above.
somewhere in your brain you might find a kink interesting and then it can grow from there, some of the best subs i know it happened that way, then the Male counterpart said hey i want to take this further etc etc  So while alot of us are born our way some find there way over time in many different ways.
peace love and harmony
tam




pompeii -> RE: understanding (10/1/2009 10:57:34 PM)

I'd suggest just trying it for one night and see how you feel.

Let him tell you what do to. Allow him to touch you anywhere he likes for as long as he likes. Don't fight him if his fingers end up in places they haven't been before. When he tells you to kneel and suck on his cock, just do it (for him). If he twists your nipples, and if it hurts, then just wince and let him know with a yelp that it hurts but let him do it. Don't be artificially coy and be obedient.

He'll love you for it.

If you don't like it ... then talk about what you didn't like and try anew the next day.




aldompdx -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 1:06:16 AM)

Everybody serves sombody or something else. "This" is all about getting to know yourself, and making conscious decisions. Surrender is from the strength of self will and free choice. It is not a leap of faith. It is not about adopting a mere role to satisfy your partner.

Explore your self and your preferences. Then you can make an aware choice whether or not to share that with your partner. As you learn more about yourself, you may realize that your preference is to control rather than surrender, inflict rather than receive pain, constrain rather than be bound.




TurboJugend -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 1:41:36 AM)

quote:

It scares me just alittle that he might want me to be subserviant to him.


Reading this makes me think you don't want to be submissive, but he likes you too.
If you don't want too, say so. Pretty easy ;)




oceanwyndsLoves -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 4:01:35 AM)

Hello OP and welcome to the boards. I was 55 when I first discovered BDSM and really doubted if I had a submissive bone in my body, but something within me push me to give it a try. I am glad I did, since it help to open a door within me that I had denied for decades.

The suggestion to read the boards and use the search engines are great, because it will help you understand there are many types of submissives here. We aren't sterotype, as I believed when I first started to explore. If you discover you are not submissive, at least you will have a better understanding about submissives and there are many types and they do have brains and use them. Your fears that might block you from being submissive, if you have them, can be eased with knowledge. 

Communication is a must in all relationships, so start studying, and come in this without judgment but with the hope to learn and understand.
Blessings
oceanwynds




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 4:10:08 AM)

To be honest with you, you can be both his girl friend and submissive to him. :-)




SailingBum -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 5:10:20 AM)

At some point in your life you have to leave your comfort zone and try new stuff.  Makes no difference if it's sky diving or taking it up the ass.  It is the one of the few ways ppl grow in life.  Otherwise life can get pretty boring.

Motown BadOne




CaringandReal -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 5:38:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: poppings492

I am not really into this but my boyfriend is and i want to understand more about this. But i kinda dont know what "this" is or what to expect from him. It scares me just alittle that he might want me to be subserviant to him. Where is the line drawn between being his girlfriend or being a sub for him?? What should i do to help cope with this better?? Any suggestion is so very much warranted please.
Thank You
[:)]



In my experience, it seldom works when you are not really into something sexual that someone else is. I am submissive and if someone else wanted me to wield the whip on them I couldn't do it...without collapsing into a giggling jello blob, anyway. :) In some instances, people can expand their sexuality. For example, if you are one of those people who have a broad range of things that arouse them sexually and just don't know that they arouse you, you might discover a new fetish through trying this.

How into all this is he? I wish he'd told you about this before you two reached the boyfriend-girlfriend stage! :/

People are telling you to read here, assuming that you are eager to learn and become the best submissive you can be. I guess they didn't read your first sentence. I say read here until you figure out if you can do this or not. You'll know by how you respond to the ideas and experiences being expressed: if most of them revolts you or leave you bored, there's a good chance you're not going to enjoy being submissive. If it just makes you uneasy, that's a sign you need to talk to him about those things and find out how he plans (if at all) to implement them. When you read this forum remember that most people here are not into everything discussed: they're into a small subset of things that appear to them personally. So having a bdsm relationship doesn't necessarily mean doing every weird or extreme thing you read in here. Also remember as you read that a lot of people write her with their personal problems. They write here because they don't know where else to go for advice. It's not like most of us can ask our parents or siblings... When reading these forums, it can seem like people doing bdsm are really screwed up, but that's usually an impression you get because so many people use this place as an advice column. Try to read about the positive experiences people have as well as the negative ones. The postive experiences are there, in the "quieter" threads. ;)

A good way to find out what to expect from him is to repeat to him someone's specific submissive experience, either one that interests you or one that turns you off, and then ask him if he is interested in that specific thing, and if he says no, you have a perfect opening to ask him, "well, what are you interested in, specifically? How do you see an ideal day/night going with me as your submissive?" A good forum to read, if he expects you to be the subservient and not the dominant one, is the "Ask a Submissive" forum. See if anything in there strikes you as desirable or resonates with you.

If you decide to try this out, do set some rules. It's your right to do so, you're not his slave yet. Set a time period to try it out. Iniitially, I'd advise a short one, like one or two weeks. After the time period tell him you'll want to talk seriously about this before proceeding further, and when talk time comes tell him honestly how the experience affected you, even if it was bad.

Ultimately, if you can't personally relate to any of this or find any joy in it, if it feels like acting, you need to bite the bullet and tell him it's just not you. And then find out if he can live with that.




looking4princess -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 5:52:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: looking4princess

Sorry, hate to be a naysayer, but i don't understand how you can be submissive if you don't feel the thrill and excitement of it. Isn't it kinda sad to pretend to be what you are not?


How can you......Nay how dare you take what may have been your experiences and overlay them on another as a filter to weed out those who need to explore this against those who are by nature submissive? The OP is simply asking fior advise and there is I dare say a goodly amount of kink folks who never knew they were submissive or by experimenting, liked it a slowly grew into their submission.



Ordinarily, I would say you have a good point, however Dommie the manner in which you state it :) I DARE it because the OP seems obviously reluctant and admits to being scared, so I have to wonder if there is not a lot of coersion and maybe a little potential abuse going on here. And that Sir is why i freakin' DARE! Hrrummph!




IronBear -> RE: understanding (10/2/2009 8:45:55 AM)

You make a good point which only confirms my suspicion of what you were aiming at. However would you agree that were your post phrased in a different context such as a question expressing your concerns about coercion or possible/potential abuse it may have elicited accurate feedback without any chance of being misconstrued? Thank you for clarifying this matter though. 




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