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Musicmystery -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/3/2009 7:28:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Hey, Kitten? I came across something interesting. It seems that people who automatically label any thought, idea, worldview, or paradigm other than their own with the most vicious interpetrations and hate-labels are called xenophobes. I just thought that was funny, because I see you use that word too.

Irony makes me laugh. [:D]

Really? And there was me thinking that xenophobia is an irrational fear and hatred of foreigners.


Correct. They're arguing about ethnocentricity.





mnottertail -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/3/2009 7:47:02 AM)

Archer,

Sorry, sicker than a pig, that's why no answer.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

So in the 13 states, we will go with the highest, 8.55 against federal 7.25, so a 1.20 x 2080 =40 HOUR WEEKS x a year, ignoring overtime) and you are removing from federal and state coffers 2476 taxable per minimum wage earner per year.......already deficits in federal and state governments, (and you don't think the states will add taxes to make that up? so, federal may not raise, but you are only pushing it off to the states) and as we read down the list of those bills, we have one that taxes health care bennies in there.........so, raise taxes on the lowest classes, and give them less cash doing it. That's why these bills are not comprehensive.......they don't want you to see what is happening....sorta like Bush off the books in the War.

Easier to blame on Democrats that way.

Now, 2400 bucks for healthcare a year? that won't buy anyone a goddamn blood pressure check. How is that making healthcare more affordable and more available.

Ron




kittinSol -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/3/2009 8:09:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Irony makes me laugh.  [:D] 


You wouldn't know irony if it bit you in the ass :-).




Politesub53 -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/4/2009 3:46:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Hey, Kitten?  I came across something interesting.  It seems that people who automatically label any thought, idea, worldview, or paradigm other than their own with the most vicious interpetrations and hate-labels are called xenophobes.  I just thought that was funny, because I see you use that word too.

Irony makes me laugh.  [:D] 


Really? And there was me thinking that xenophobia is an irrational fear and hatred of foreigners.


It derives from the greek word for foreigner, and means a fear of the unknown.

Such as universal health care. [sm=skiprope.gif]




Archer -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/4/2009 12:01:43 PM)

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per minimum wage earner per year
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Archer,

Sorry, sicker than a pig, that's why no answer.

http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm

So in the 13 states, we will go with the highest, 8.55 against federal 7.25, so a 1.20 x 2080 =40 HOUR WEEKS x a year, ignoring overtime) and you are removing from federal and state coffers 2476 taxable per minimum wage earner per year.......already deficits in federal and state governments, (and you don't think the states will add taxes to make that up? so, federal may not raise, but you are only pushing it off to the states) and as we read down the list of those bills, we have one that taxes health care bennies in there.........so, raise taxes on the lowest classes, and give them less cash doing it. That's why these bills are not comprehensive.......they don't want you to see what is happening....sorta like Bush off the books in the War.

Easier to blame on Democrats that way.

Now, 2400 bucks for healthcare a year? that won't buy anyone a goddamn blood pressure check. How is that making healthcare more affordable and more available.

Ron


"you are removing from federal and state coffers 2476 taxable per minimum wage earner per year"

You're kidding me right?

At minimum wage NOBODY actually pays federal income taxes, their net tax bill comes out in the negatives by the time you count in the standard exemptions. They usually get back at the end of the year MORE than what they paid in over the year in INCOME TAX.

$2,400 is about 20% of an insurance policy for a family of 4.

"The average employer-sponsored premium for a family of four costs close to $13,000 a year, and the employee foots about 30 percent of this cost."

http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml

Still Company Provided Healthcare is and has been since the 30's or 40's PRE TAX (non taxable)
You're sidestepping that issue completely.
HEALTH INSURACE provided by the employer is has been and unless they change that part of the tax code will remain pre tax.

There have been a couple proposals to change the tax status of premiums, during the campaign McCain put forth the Tax all insurance regardless of who buys it for the person, I disagreed with it then and disagree with the idea now. The Biggest proposal by the GOP now with 46 Co Sponsors instead makes ALL Healthcare Policies regardless of who buys it tax deductable. It makes the purchases on level playing field but instead of everyone paying taxes on them nobody would pay taxes on money spent to buy health insurance.

















Archer -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/4/2009 12:09:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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They have offered them up and they have been summarily dismissed by the Pelosi /Reid alliance as not going far enough.


Do they then have (or plan to have) a plan that does go far enough? Or is their position that they don't want health care to go that far? In which case, wouldn't it be fair to say they oppose the coverage (in that instance)?


Well since the Pelosi Reid line is Nothing short of a public option goes far enough, I would say No they do not have a plan to go far enough for Pelosi and Reid.

It's a policy difference a matter of believing that the public option is a bad way to go, ad honestly held belief that such a plan will do more harm than good. (well at least for a good number of them.

No different than the idea that a good number of Democrats believe that the public option will do more good than harm.

But Heaven forbid we actually believe that two parties can hold fervently, but honestly held principled beliefs that don't agree.

One of them MUST just be mean/ dumb/ ignorent/ hatefull/ communist/ determined to let people die/ determined to bankrupt the nation...




Musicmystery -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/4/2009 12:51:51 PM)

Things were better in that regard in the 70s. But since the political rise of the hard right, working out differences has been increasingly out the window, both sides digging in their heels.

And yes, the country suffers for it. We need a moderate revolution!




Mercnbeth -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 7:18:24 AM)

~ Fast Reply ~

The physicians, all invited guests, were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image. But some docs apparently forgot, failing to meet the White House dress code by showing up in business suits or dresses. So the White House rustled up white coats for them and handed them to the suited physicians who had taken seats in the sun-splashed lawn area.

Addressing the OP - I hear the Republican minority will be setting up a photo op of accountants providing them with green glare visors and old fashioned hand cranking adding machines.

Got to give the Administration credit - they had a few hundred white coats laying around for the pictures. Shows that some of that campaign photo planning still comes in handy.




Sanity -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 7:27:00 AM)


I wonder how many media outlets will gratuitously report this blatant propaganda ploy as hard news.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 7:31:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I wonder how many media outlets will gratuitously report this blatant propaganda ploy as hard news.

Sanity,
Considering the White House vetting process - were they Doctors, or do they just play doctor for photo ops?

Maybe Fox News will do some investigative reporting...
Did they get to keep the coats?
The high cost of Presidential photo ops.




rulemylife -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 7:34:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

~ Fast Reply ~

The physicians, all invited guests, were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image. But some docs apparently forgot, failing to meet the White House dress code by showing up in business suits or dresses. So the White House rustled up white coats for them and handed them to the suited physicians who had taken seats in the sun-splashed lawn area.

Addressing the OP - I hear the Republican minority will be setting up a photo op of accountants providing them with green glare visors and old fashioned hand cranking adding machines.

Got to give the Administration credit - they had a few hundred white coats laying around for the pictures. Shows that some of that campaign photo planning still comes in handy.


At least they weren't required to sign "loyalty oaths" to the party, as I recall happened in the not too distant past.

But, oops, I'm bringing up Bush again and I forgot you guys don't want to talk about him anymore.


(Did you know he was really a liberal?)





rulemylife -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 7:43:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Sanity,
Considering the White House vetting process - were they Doctors, or do they just play doctor for photo ops?

Maybe Fox News will do some investigative reporting...
Did they get to keep the coats?
The high cost of Presidential photo ops.



Why would Fox News matter?

You don't watch them after all, as you repeatedly have stated.






Mercnbeth -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 7:51:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Sanity,
Considering the White House vetting process - were they Doctors, or do they just play doctor for photo ops?

Maybe Fox News will do some investigative reporting...
Did they get to keep the coats?
The high cost of Presidential photo ops.

Why would Fox News matter?
You don't watch them after all, as you repeatedly have stated.

I was going for this reaction. Thanks for making it so easy!

You're sliding fast Rule -

Now you don't even try to defend the Administration - just make comparisons. That helps to distinguish 'CHANGE!'?

Don't blame you though results and actions speak for themselves no matter what news service is used. However, maybe after health care dies they'll go back to trying to nationalize the media in the guise of revamping the 'Fairness Doctrine' so these stories will be harder to report. You have that hope.




rulemylife -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 8:18:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Sanity,
Considering the White House vetting process - were they Doctors, or do they just play doctor for photo ops?

Maybe Fox News will do some investigative reporting...
Did they get to keep the coats?
The high cost of Presidential photo ops.

Why would Fox News matter?
You don't watch them after all, as you repeatedly have stated.

I was going for this reaction. Thanks for making it so easy!

You're sliding fast Rule -

Now you don't even try to defend the Administration - just make comparisons. That helps to distinguish 'CHANGE!'?

Don't blame you though results and actions speak for themselves no matter what news service is used. However, maybe after health care dies they'll go back to trying to nationalize the media in the guise of revamping the 'Fairness Doctrine' so these stories will be harder to report. You have that hope.


You know Merc, you've stopped being able to argue issues and instead have taken a cue from those who like to distract and divert.

You've said many, many times you do not listen to Fox, even though your topic of the day always seems to come straight out of their mouths.

And instead of addressing the point you go off into a tangent about the Fairness Doctrine.

So let's make it a direct question.

Why do you, as someone who does not watch Fox, care if Fox launches an investigative report?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Dems taunt GOP: Where's your health care plan? (10/6/2009 8:34:44 AM)

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Why do you, as someone who does not watch Fox, care if Fox launches an investigative report?
Because you do. You must because you report on them so regularly.

Didn't think you could answer anything. Not even a good try at distraction.

Sad state of affairs in Washington isn't it?




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