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As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 4:46:51 PM   
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SUNDAY, Oct. 4 (HealthDay News) -- You can't channel surf at all these days without stumbling across drug advertisements featuring happy people, sunny days, vague descriptions and a quickly mumbled list of side effects. If you think you're seeing more of these ads than ever before, you're right.

The amount of money spent by pharmaceutical companies on direct-to-consumer advertising more than tripled between 1997 and 2005, growing from $1.3 billion to $4.2 billion since restrictions governing drug ads were relaxed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, according to the California Public Interest Research Group, a public advocacy group nicknamed CalPIRG.

Only the United States and New Zealand allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise their medications directly to consumers, according to the FDA.

Doctors and patient advocates say the companies are getting good returns on their investment. Spending on prescription drugs has grown faster than any other type of health-care spending in the United States. "If you just look at the number of prescriptions issued since restrictions have lifted, they've definitely gone up," said Michael Russo, a health-care advocate for CalPIRG.
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 4:49:09 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 5:24:39 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 6:20:40 PM   
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Doctors and patient advocates say the companies are getting good returns on their investment. Spending on prescription drugs has grown faster than any other type of health-care spending in the United States. "If you just look at the number of prescriptions issued since restrictions have lifted, they've definitely gone up," said Michael Russo, a health-care advocate for CalPIRG.


I believe that profits are even higher than we think.  I was taking a generic and started getting sick off of it.  Then, I saw a news piece about  investigating the production of the generic in China.  The news crew made a point of showing the dirt floors; grimy walls and workers wiping their noses on the grey (previously white) uniforms. Instead of the sanitary conditions we picture, my generic was being made in an equivalent of an out house.  That has to be a whole lot cheaper; generate fantastic profits. Who cares if we get sick; the profit margin went up. Another win for the profit motive.

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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 7:03:28 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 7:08:28 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/4/2009 8:26:35 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/5/2009 12:26:22 PM   
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My slant on this ? Well maybe you didn't ask for it but you did put it out there so .........

I, and my Mother actually have talked about this. She has said for years that we live in a drug oriented society, I tend to agree.

But the side effects (not of the drug, of the ads) is that in one breath we tell the young to just say no to drugs, and in another we tell them that there is a pill for whatever ails them. What are they supposed to think ?

I would laugh at this if it weren't so serious. However I just can't spill my guts on this, unkless you want a post that is so long it woulod probably crash the entire internet. As Mr. Spock would say "It is not logical". So many contradictions, no wonder we fail. The input isn't right and as any programmer will tell you GIGO. That stands for Garbage In Garbage Out. What's more some of these youngsters are quite sharp, and figure out that they are being lied to. Then they won't believe a damn thing you say. How's them apples ?

Belive me if I had kids there would be no TV in the house. Ummm, wait a minute, there is no working TV in the house. Actually there is, but it is not mine and there is no signal with which to feed it. My bigscreen need a workover, change the coolant and clean the optics. I'll get around to it, maybe. Someday.

Even looking at the bigger picture, I do see some TV. What is one to think when viewing this trash ? That we are all incontinet, depressed and have allergies. We are now entitled to a new catheter every time we cath. Our diabetic testing supplies may be covered by medicare. The little blue pill will change your life. Sure will if you take a look at the side effects.

So I agree about 127.24%.

T

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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/5/2009 12:27:51 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/5/2009 12:31:29 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/5/2009 12:50:18 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/5/2009 12:51:32 PM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/5/2009 1:34:55 PM   
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I remember an ad for a drug that was supposed to help with social anxiety. If you used it, you wouldn't be afraid of parties, speeches, etc. Among the possible side effects was the aforementioned anal leakage. I couldn't help thinking as I heard that "How nice. Now they won't be afraid to talk and they have something to talk about".

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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 8:05:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I agree with the original point- i.e. we're still seeing lots of drug ads out there, the pharma industry is quick to point out that 10% of health care costs go to pharmaceuticals.  Hence, even cutting the industry down by 25% would only lead to a 2.5% drop in health care costs.

Pharma is clearly tired of being blamed for the health care crisis.  They've got plenty of problems of their own making- such as cutting back research in the 80's and 90s and saying it wouldn't affect profits.  Well, given that its between a dozen to 15 years to bring a new drug onto the market- cutting research didn't harm profits back then, but now is a different story.

While I agree with Mike longing for the good old days- does the pharma industry have a point here with their advertising?  Unfortunately yes.  A amjor change since than has been in the training of physicians.  There has been a lack of g.p.s and internists being turned out by the medical schools.  Physicians are becoming increasingly specialized and don't treat the human holistically anymore.  There is no course such as gross anatomy in medical school anymore.  This trend has been caused by the increasing costs of getting a degree (lack of federal support) and the squeeze put on g.ps by Medicare.  More med students are tending to specialize, and specialties are getting increasingly narrow.  So if you go and visit a specialist, are they going to know that there's a damn drug to stop your leg from twitching at night?  A cardiologist might be smart and recognize that this ailment is often a symptom of reduced circulation, but if you don't know that there's a drug out there to fix the problem- are you going to bellyache to your doc about it?

The upshot of the changes in medicine is that the old doctor/patient relationship is dead.  Patients really need to learn more about monitoring their own health- you can't just trust the doc anymore.  Like it or not, pharma advertising may help people figure out what's up.  I don't like it, but given the other trends in medicine, I'm not sure that cutting the consumer off from information is such a good idea.

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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 9:04:31 AM   
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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 9:11:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is more in the way it is presented. They show people who are half dead dancing in the streets and crap like that. They are using the power of the media to make money and health be damnned.

You notice the drug ads, OK that is fine. Jot them down.

Now six months later watch the lawyer ads. Many of them are to participate in a class action lawsuit against a drug manufacturer. Obviously that fifteen years of testing isn't doing the trick, to keep the drug supply safe.

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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 9:29:43 AM   
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Then you might be one of the millions Americans who suffer from RSS, restless stupididy sindrom, ask your doctor if Fuckitall is right for you.....

WARNING. if you or your loved one have died after taking Fuckitall, call Shmuck and Shmuck associates. We work for you, to get you compensation you deserve.

US is the only country in the world where Prescription drugs are advertised on TV (i think New Zealand is second, but only OTC). What is trully disturbing is when you look at the list of the most commonly prescribed drugs in this country.

Non-Generic
Paxil (antidepressant), Lexapro (antidepressant) Zoloft (antidepressant), Viagra (ED)

Then we have generic medications:
Oxycodone (opiate) in humble amount of 120,000,000 prescriptions issued.

That drug distribution shows that we as nation are not that sick, we are simply junkies. Next time ask your doctor if exercise is good for you.

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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 2:27:56 PM   
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Paxil (antidepressant), Lexapro (antidepressant) Zoloft (antidepressant), Viagra (ED)

Then we have generic medications:
Oxycodone (opiate) in humble amount of 120,000,000 prescriptions issued.

That drug distribution shows that we as nation are not that sick, we are simply junkies. Next time ask your doctor if exercise is good for you."

Not so fast.  The mental health profession has stumbled terribly in the 1960s, and we're all paying the price for it.  The damn shrinks couldn't agree on definitions of illnesses, symptoms, treatments, qualifications etc. so we have lots of poorly trained people attempting to do mental health treatments, and of course, doing it badly.  The pharma companies were only too eager to move in and claim that they had pills that could replace a good therapist.  Well, the pills may be able to replace a bad therapist, but there are plenty of diseases that respond better to talk therapy than pills.  We're finally beginning to get a handle on some of the biochemical mechanisms behind illnesses such as depression, which when coupled with the dramatic improvements in imaging, should lead to putting much of this industry on a firmer scientific footing.  As somebody who's tangled with depression through most of my adult life, I'm damned if I'm going to let you call me a whiner or claim that people fake an illness just to pop pills.  (I've refused the meds for depression- don't like the side effects.)  Or did you get your degree at the Ronald Reagan Institute for the Criminally Homeless?

You'd be on much firmer footing claiming that diabetes is largely preventable- especially if we'd make sure that there are sidewalks, playgrounds for children (thank you Dewey, Cheathem, % Howe esq.) and taxes on foodlike substances with no nutritive value.  But its time to quit marginalizing the people suffering from diseases of the mind.


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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 6:08:51 PM   
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Would it be better if drug companies made no profit ? Much of the money they make goes into research to develope new drugs that help everyone. Or maybe the Obama administration can do that to.


Ahhhhhhh, yes.

The six degrees of separation from Obama is presented yet again.

He is truly the source of all that ails the country.



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RE: As TV Drug Ads Increase, So Do Concerns - 10/8/2009 6:26:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: samboct

"Non-Generic
Paxil (antidepressant), Lexapro (antidepressant) Zoloft (antidepressant), Viagra (ED)

Then we have generic medications:
Oxycodone (opiate) in humble amount of 120,000,000 prescriptions issued.

That drug distribution shows that we as nation are not that sick, we are simply junkies. Next time ask your doctor if exercise is good for you."

Not so fast.  The mental health profession has stumbled terribly in the 1960s, and we're all paying the price for it.  The damn shrinks couldn't agree on definitions of illnesses, symptoms, treatments, qualifications etc. so we have lots of poorly trained people attempting to do mental health treatments, and of course, doing it badly.  The pharma companies were only too eager to move in and claim that they had pills that could replace a good therapist.  Well, the pills may be able to replace a bad therapist, but there are plenty of diseases that respond better to talk therapy than pills.  We're finally beginning to get a handle on some of the biochemical mechanisms behind illnesses such as depression, which when coupled with the dramatic improvements in imaging, should lead to putting much of this industry on a firmer scientific footing.  As somebody who's tangled with depression through most of my adult life, I'm damned if I'm going to let you call me a whiner or claim that people fake an illness just to pop pills.  (I've refused the meds for depression- don't like the side effects.)  Or did you get your degree at the Ronald Reagan Institute for the Criminally Homeless?

You'd be on much firmer footing claiming that diabetes is largely preventable- especially if we'd make sure that there are sidewalks, playgrounds for children (thank you Dewey, Cheathem, % Howe esq.) and taxes on foodlike substances with no nutritive value.  But its time to quit marginalizing the people suffering from diseases of the mind.


Sam



Paxil is also marketed as a drug to relieve social anxiety disorder.  In fact this was its primary market focus, not as an anti-depressant.

Social anxiety disorder?  I think we used to call this being shy.

My doctor can't stop laughing when you mention acid reflux disease.  This used to be called heartburn or indigestion.

Then we have the ever-popular lactose intolerance.  How about just quit drinking milk if it upsets your stomach?

And let's not even talk about restless leg syndrome and the epidemic of erectile dysfunction we seem to be having.

The pharmaceutical companies are not working on needed drugs anymore, instead concentrating on the more profitable crap they can manufacture to convince everyone that any slight inconvenience in their life has a solution in the latest and greatest drug.



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