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orgasm control: level 2 - 10/6/2009 5:53:07 PM   
NormalOutside


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Status: offline 		Hi there masters, dominants, tops, owners, and everybody else.

Quick background in case you don't want to check out my profile. 34m dominant with a 19f submissive. She is extremely focused on obedience (both because she knows how important it is to me, and because she's naturally that way). She goes to great lengths to please, and takes pride in obeying orders, both spoken and anticipated.

It became clear early on that this translated directly into orgasm control. She quickly became dependent on permission to get off, when she was with me. On her own, she's fine getting off without being told to - as long as I haven't told her NOT to, of course. We've been together in person for a few months. She is multi-orgasmic, able to cum five, ten, even fifteen times in a session - from penetration, clitoral stimulation, and recently, nothing but nipple pain. I haven't found the point where she's unable to continue cumming. Perhaps she's one of those girls who can orgasm as long as she hasn't passed out yet? Who knows. :)

Recently, during some rough sex, she approached orgasm and asked "may i cum?" I was concentrating on myself at the time, and said "just keep cumming" meaning "yes, and don't ask again this session". Well, she took it another way. After about two minutes of listening to her moan and whimper "cumming Daddy, cumming Daddy, cumming Daddy" I realized what I'd done. "Stop", and she did. Obviously, there are some untapped pleasures awaiting me. I love orgasm control. My previous girl would ask to cum, and generally be permitted, and that was that. This girl not only loves her orgasms being controlled, but seems to have the capacity for great things (multiple orgasms, extended orgasms, etc). Oh yeah, one other thing I tried was ordering her to go to bed horny, and have a wet dream (about one in ten nights that she goes to bed horny, she has a wet dream including sleep-orgasm). She told me the next day that she'd had at least five sleep-orgasms, as ordered. Impressive. (And yeah, I'm confident that she's honest with me.)

My question is, what are some good tips, tricks, advice, or even resources on taking this to the next level? One thing I would like to try, but have little experience with, is orgasm denial. Anyone got any good advice on that? Should I just deny her the orgasm and continue playing with her, and see if she's able to hold off? Punish if she can't, or not? She's so sensitive and easy to get off, I'm not sure she's going to be able to prevent the orgasm. Then again, her obedience is extremely good - so it's possible! Another thing I'd like to try is the "orgasm on command", but I do realize this is something that has to be worked up to, even with a talented cummer like mine. :p

Would love to hear your experiences, your thoughts on my situation, and anything else on this topic you'd like to share. All replies welcome. Thanks!


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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/6/2009 6:24:01 PM   
daintydimples


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Status: offline 		First, there is a huge difference between orgasm control and orgasm denial.

Someone practicing orgasm denial might for instance have their sub practice all kinds of sexy/kinky things for a period of time (often a week or longer) but not allow them permission to orgasm. Generally they get to orgasm on a regular schedule (once a week, once a month, whatever). Many people hate this; some seem to love it.

Orgasm control is controlling when the sub orgasms, most often accompanied with begging /asking for permission to come.

Step one to orgasm control is learning *everything* about what makes your sub come. Decide on a trigger word, and when you see she's close, you use the trigger.  You should also be reinforcing the idea that she is to come with your permission only.

Once you get really good at this, try using pain (or whatever you think will work) to delay the orgasm. Remind her she is not to come w/o permission. Even if you have done a good job of reinforcing that she needs permission, and she is very obedient, she might still lose control and climax.

You need to find out how to bring her to the edge of orgasm, bring her down, bring her back again (this is called edging). Be aware that all this could backfire...she could have to try so hard not to come, that she can't. You are going to need to be very aware of what stage she's at orgasm wise.

Orgasm control take a great deal of patience and a great deal of control. It can be well worth it. And certainly considering how orgasmatic she is, I would say well worth the effort.


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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/6/2009 8:22:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		learn her edge by watching her...beleive me its there to see...once you see it. so take her just a step lower..and after a time you can have there for mintues at a time..but she is right...its a fine edge...you can make her worried too much to cum...grins..but its soo much fun trying

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/7/2009 5:01:50 PM   
DearJessicaD


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Status: offline 		My boyfriend is a big fan of remote control vibes. Taking me out to dinner, telling me no cumming while he flips on a vibrating butterfly that's on my clit right as the waiter arrives to take our orders.

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/7/2009 10:04:48 PM   
DavanKael


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Status: offline 		I have no tips but I soooooo want the abilities your girl has!!!  
Not a fan of orgasm denial...I mean, why in the world go in that direction when you have a bounty of orgasmic potential!
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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/7/2009 10:38:35 PM   
GYPSYMAMBO


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you are a lucky man as is she...

I am the same as your girl and I can say..denial will be excrutiating..( and you may choose that)
She will become so bonded with you you will be able to breath on her neck and she will cum..
RATHER than deny this MASSIVE energy..I feel it would be fun to HARNESS it..and funnel it in many creative ways ( as you have been)

BEcause I love to come 20+ times s session I am biasedly(sp) suggesting
as the next level..

TRIGGERS/"LINKING" for cumming...and having COMPLETE CONTROL
for example..
*your breath..this can be done over a short period...of bringing her to the edge
for eg...clit stim..but then finally as you remove the stim and give permission( when unbearable).... you breath on her neck as her signal..(linking breath and cumming)
soon baby girl will have daddy brush by and breath on her and wow there she goes..

* a command ...so you could be out in the supermarket and you whisper.."pretty baby" and oops...helps if there are no panties..poor baby all wet
The command...here it is important to see how she reponds to you...is it voice..eye contact..certain words..? a stance you have?
I can only say  what I have done which is.to have my sub in a combined situation
where I am using the breath...then making him hold off hold off..then gradually reducing stimulation but INCREASING breath and words...so the words become the trigger.

* pain cumming...association with pain..so as you "practice"//you have vibe stim..hold off..then as she cums with command..bite the inside of her thighs hard..
soon...touching the thighs will be enough to make her wild

* I have also tried using lavender oil as a trigger adn had success.


**if you study NLP..nero linguistic programming this is very helpful..
becasue essentially we cum in the brain
I got all happy reading your post....sounds like you are a good match..

GM

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/8/2009 5:44:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO


*your breath..this can be done over a short period...of bringing her to the edge
for eg...clit stim..but then finally as you remove the stim and give permission( when unbearable).... you breath on her neck as her signal..(linking breath and cumming)
soon baby girl will have daddy brush by and breath on her and wow there she goes..




Every woman has the potential to achieve an unlimited number of orgasms. Not only are the number unlimited but their intensity can reach astonishing levels. Unfortunately fewer than one in a thousand women ever gets close to realising their full potential. The main reason for this is that few men ever bother to learn what is needed to raise a woman to this level.
The bonus for a man is the knowledge that an orgasm that is postponed will be many times more intense. It is just a case of focusing the mind. Probably the most wonderful experience is for both parties to loose consciousness at the same time but that takes a great deal of experience.

I read this in Pleasurenow



I also read an article on NLP and orgasm control recently and I can't for the life of me find the thing.
It explained similar to GypsyMambo that if you create an action such as 'touching her lips' at the moment of orgasm and do this repeatedly each time she cums, eventually you will be able to touch her lips with out any other stimulation and she will orgasm.

The problem with orgasm denial is how long for? It takes practice and a lot of bodily freedom to be able to cum like your girl does. If you start denying then you may well find you hinder her already natural ability.


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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/8/2009 6:05:54 AM   
lucylucy


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Status: offline 		It sounds like your girl is a lot like me in the orgasm department.

Here’s another idea that I don’t think anyone else has suggested. You say your girl can cum many times. I bet she can cum even more times than you (and she) think. My boyfriend will make me cum over and over, maybe 30 or 40 times in a session, and it actually hurts at a certain point to keep cumming, but I do it. I should mention that my orgasms can last up to 4 minutes, so they take a lot out of me. Being forced to cum and cum, even when I’m exhausted, even when it hurts . . . mmmm, quite delicious.

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/8/2009 8:57:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lucylucy

It sounds like your girl is a lot like me in the orgasm department.

Here’s another idea that I don’t think anyone else has suggested. You say your girl can cum many times. I bet she can cum even more times than you (and she) think. My boyfriend will make me cum over and over, maybe 30 or 40 times in a session, and it actually hurts at a certain point to keep cumming, but I do it. I should mention that my orgasms can last up to 4 minutes, so they take a lot out of me. Being forced to cum and cum, even when I’m exhausted, even when it hurts . . . mmmm, quite delicious.



Perhaps I am wrong but I call that climaxing. Like you I am fortunate enough to experience all of this but I wasn't always this way. It was only when I became very liberated about my own body and became somewhat depraved in my needs that I was able to experience the true pleasures of being a woman.
Like you I can have a continuous orgasm that lasts for many minutes but that tends to come (or perhaps I should say cum!!) from a build up of lots of smaller orgasms getting closer and closer together.
I recently wrote a weblog on full body orgasm and being able to climax because I think the two are closely related.


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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/8/2009 1:39:44 PM   
MasterSlaveLA


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Status: offline 		Orgasm Control and Denial can be (and frequently are) used in conjunction... for example, when training a femsub/femslave to be able to "Cum on Command".

In this home, no orgasms are allowed without permission. Period.  However, there is a HUGE upside... it's not uncommon for over 100 orgasms to be achieved in under an hour.  Proof that good training goes a loooooooooooooooooong way!!!



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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/8/2009 5:37:23 PM   
CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: daintydimples

First, there is a huge difference between orgasm control and orgasm denial.

Someone practicing orgasm denial might for instance have their sub practice all kinds of sexy/kinky things for a period of time (often a week or longer) but not allow them permission to orgasm. Generally they get to orgasm on a regular schedule (once a week, once a month, whatever). Many people hate this; some seem to love it.

Orgasm control is controlling when the sub orgasms, most often accompanied with begging /asking for permission to come.

Step one to orgasm control is learning *everything* about what makes your sub come. Decide on a trigger word, and when you see she's close, you use the trigger.  You should also be reinforcing the idea that she is to come with your permission only.

Once you get really good at this, try using pain (or whatever you think will work) to delay the orgasm. Remind her she is not to come w/o permission. Even if you have done a good job of reinforcing that she needs permission, and she is very obedient, she might still lose control and climax.

You need to find out how to bring her to the edge of orgasm, bring her down, bring her back again (this is called edging). Be aware that all this could backfire...she could have to try so hard not to come, that she can't. You are going to need to be very aware of what stage she's at orgasm wise.

Orgasm control take a great deal of patience and a great deal of control. It can be well worth it. And certainly considering how orgasmatic she is, I would say well worth the effort.



This advice is gold. Listen to it, NormalOutside. It's clear she's had considerable expereince with this.



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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/9/2009 7:09:44 AM   
AnnaOfAramis


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Status: offline 		I work professionally with something called "errorless training" - it's used with teaching autistic children, training zoo animals and hollywood animals, and more recently with olympic athletes. It's not that the subject never makes any mistakes. It's that the trainer tries to set up a situation that avoids the possibility for mistakes. Why? Because once the person learns the mistake pattern, it is harder to untrain, than to train it correctly in the first place. In thinking about orgasm denial, I would suggest watching for the edge as huntertn said, and if you notice that she is going to lose it, immediately give her permission to cum. Then praise her for waiting to cum until you told her to, so that she feels she was successful. Gradually she will learn to wait for your command, and you can gradually extend the delay before you give the command. If you mistime it and she starts cumming, just immediately give permission so that you avoid an "error."

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/9/2009 11:15:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

it's not uncommon for over 100 orgasms to be achieved in under an hour. 




I feel completely inadequate now. (Just kidding.)

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/12/2009 9:01:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lucylucy


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

it's not uncommon for over 100 orgasms to be achieved in under an hour. 




I feel completely inadequate now. (Just kidding.)


LOL



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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/18/2009 5:22:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I trained My slave to cum on command. she also orgasms one after the other. I don't bring a calculator to be, but it seems like 200 if I ever counted. This is totally flattering to Me because she has never experienced this before. Lately I've been experimenting with orgasm denial and I made up a little game. She asks Me permission to cum and I say 'No'. This leaves her totally frustrated and tries again in less than a minute and again, time # 2 is 'No', same for time # 3. When I say 'No', I always add a few words, like 'you should know better' or 'it isnt time yet'. On beg #4, I order her to say she loves Me and when I say Yes, she must kiss Me passionately at the same time. she swears this intensity is fabulous. I tell her that she can have a self permission at any time if she says she loves Me in a foreign language of which she knows 6. she never exercises this because her mind is so jumbled, she can't think it through. At any rate, this is totally fun for us both. I also use a remote vibe when we go out on the town. Amazing little toy!

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RE: orgasm control: level 2 - 10/19/2009 3:00:03 PM   
Enochian


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Status: offline 		Personalty; I've found most of the training for Orgasm Control / Denial is a wonderful offshoot of really getting into a woman's head.  Generally speaking (yes, I realize it's a generalization; just bear with it) females are more "organismicly " attuned from a mental aspect then males tend to be.  Or; as a woman said to me: "If all is not right in my world; cumming is a bitch!"

So; with the various techniques people here are talking about (slow build ups; mechanical device assists; 'errorless training'; frustration building with reward release, etc...) all seem to me to be varieties of ways of 'getting into her head'.

Other then these very focused techniques; has anyone had experiences they would like to share about other ways they have "gotten into her head" with the result of it being Enhanced Orgasm / Sensuality?

Regards;

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