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NeedToUseYou -> RE: $500 for each baby born in the US (10/7/2009 9:30:20 PM)

I don't want it.

Why? Well, I'd be happy if, the average person had a 12th grade education.

We sold a truck that needed the engine rebuilt to a guy, he said he could do it. Sold it cheap because he needed it, according to him. Well, after a month, and let him pay payments, didn't see him for months. He was in jail, he came and said he'd pay again, yet he disappeared again, guess what, he went to jail again. Well, he showed up again a few weeks ago, and says he needs us to testify that he thought he signed the title, and he had just scrawled some scribble on it, because HE CAN'T READ or write..... He works menial labor in oil fields, probably under the table when he's not in jail.
So, we got people that go to jail, can't read, while in jail they don't get forced to learn to read, and it begs the question how one can avoid learning to read without a being serverely mentally impaired, and society will wonder why this guy will 100% land in jail again and cost 10's of thousands a year to house in a cell for lack of ability to read.

So, why not just make sure everyone can read instead of throwing 500.00 dollars at something that is not critically necessary to live a decent life.... I even agree that is as near to an universal right as anything else (ability to read), moreso than health care.



popeye1250 -> RE: $500 for each baby born in the US (10/7/2009 9:41:31 PM)

Demon, those are some good ideas.
We used to have something called "on the job training" in this country and it worked very well! Many started in the mailroom and worked their way up to the boardroom. Most promotions were, "made from within."
Who better to run a co. than someone who knows it from the bottom up?
One thing you just can't beat is experience.
I blame colleges and unis for brainwashing people into thinking that everyone "needs" a "degree."
I simply inquired about taking some courses online about six months ago and I've been bombarded with e-mails, phone calls and letters in the mail by numerous schools wanting me to enroll ever since!
This "global economy" is the enemy of many people with "degrees".
Anytime a job becomes good-paying they just ship it overseas.
You don't need a "degree" to be a waitress or bartender but most of the ones I run into these days have them. And the crushing debt that goes along with them.
They're all still optimistic though, they think, "things will get better."
I don't think so, not as long as we remain in things like "NAFTA" and "GATT." How are things going to get better as long as we're in those things?



Ialdabaoth -> RE: $500 for each baby born in the US (10/7/2009 10:17:08 PM)

Once again... people don't need a degree; they need an education.



DemonKia -> RE: $500 for each baby born in the US (10/7/2009 11:01:04 PM)

Yeah, innovation is nurtured, in part, by education. Lavishly slathered on education, ideally. Similarly, technology is, in part, a creative endeavor. Creativity is also grown in educational climates quite productively -- academia & creativity have had a long, productive relationship for example . . . . . .

I subscribe quite vigorously to the idea that there is never enough education.

I want 100% universal literacy alongside continuing adult education for everyone alongside polylingualism as cultural expectation alongside music & art & science & fun physical education & enjoyable math for everyone alongside . . . . . I know as a consumer of education that the more the merrier. The more I educate myself the better I get at the very process of being educated . . . . . It's not just a win-win-win-win-win-... situation, it's a multiplicative power that has yet to be twuly unleashed within democracies to anywhere near it's full potential.

I can picture a time, sometime in the next coupla centuries for sure, probably sooner rather than later, when the average child born anywhere on the planet will be routinely be expected to start learning polylinguality from the cradle on, music (notes & such) alongside the alphabet, calculus as just another set of operations introduced alongside addition-multiplication-powers, & whole stacks of data we can't even really envision yet . .. .

Yeah, Ialda, future's so bright, I gotta wear shades . . . . . [;)]



Louve00 -> RE: $500 for each baby born in the US (10/8/2009 6:17:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Considering how... "prolific" many American women seem to be, this could make a nice little nest egg to put aside for buying a television at Wal-Mart.


That was my initial thought, exactly!  I remember standing in a walmart line, hearing two women behind me speak about getting a "Mother's Day check".  Come to find out later, a "Mother's Day check" is a welfare check.  Women call it a Mothers Day check because the amount of the check is determined by the amount of children you have.

Now, if the money is to truly be put away and untouchable to only that child upon turning 18, then you still have to hope the right morals were instilled and the money is used for what it was intended to be used as and not just a bunch of money to blow on....whatever.

Its a nice, noble thought....caring for the children and all.  But its not a practical use for money.  If you want to give kids a hand on education, then I kind of liked Obama's suggestion about the child doing community service for his tuition, if they want an education.  And as far as a house goes, let them save for it.  They can rent until then.  But up til this idea, a mortgage has been obtained thru saving for the downpayment and proving your credibility.  (Before the mess with granting mortgages so easily that led to the collapse of everything, remember?)

I don't see anything wrong with earning things.  And I don't see anything wrong with having goals, earning things, and appreciating what you accomplished.



Termyn8or -> RE: $500 for each baby born in the US (10/8/2009 9:01:19 AM)

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By my estimation that turns into $1203 and change in eighteen years. Of course multiplied by the number of live births this would be a boon to the banking industry. So it's not all that surprising that someone would come up with the idea, but it is still looking out for number one. Twelve hundred bucks ain't shit today, think of what it'll be worth in eighteen years.

However multiplied by approximately four million births, that's two billion dollars in the hands of the banks. Under fractional banking the most scrupulous of lenders can lend out twenty billion. Others will loan out more, with the balance still coming from parent banks or ultimately the fed.

It might actually have a positive impact on the economy, but I would think it more likely what one poster asserted, that it simply looks good. Populist points so to speak.

Never mind the fact that it is totally off base in the face of the Constitution. I again would suggest looking up a story about David Crockett and Horatio Bunce for an explaination as to why. It's called "Not Your's To Give". You are free to donate your money to any cause you see fit, but you have no right to donate mine. That is all there is to it really. Anything else is theft. You're better off reading the account of the meeting between Crockett and Bunce than getting me started on the subject.

You see I would not give anyone anything, but unlike those of today, I wouldn't take. If they hadn't wrecked the economy and took from the People, they would have the money for their own kids' college funds.

Some people of the mettle of the past actually do not believe that even the Parents should pay for their hids' educations. Indeed many have worked their way through college. Some also can get scholarships. A friend of mine's son got a free ride all the way through one of the best HSes in the country, and then through college. This was based on merit, and funded privately by alumni. It IS there money to give. Now the kid (about 22 now I think) is planning on paying forward and doing the same for someone younger, someone not born into money, like him. I think this is one of the best things going on, and the government has nothing to do with it. Not one tax dollar involved, unless it is deductible. I am not so sure it is.

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