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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 11:26:32 AM   
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There just needs to be some taste involved. 


"Taste" is just a fancy way of saying: "I only want to see what I want to see."


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 11:32:48 AM   
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Ahhhh, the dreaded cock shot has made yet another appearance.  Hope it was least an Italian cock. 

As LadyPact has said, those that have been reported have not been seen again. 

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 11:36:57 AM   
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I'm sure the world will sleep easier now.

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 11:41:08 AM   
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There just needs to be some taste involved. 


"Taste" is just a fancy way of saying: "I only want to see what I want to see."


Well said!

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 4:07:48 PM   
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There just needs to be some taste involved. 


"Taste" is just a fancy way of saying: "I only want to see what I want to see."


Well said!



You are overlooking one thing.  There have always been limitations to what could be used as a first or avatar picture on Collarme.  In fact, those limitations were much more strict than they are now.  At one time an out of focus picture could be denied.  A lovely artistic picture of bondage could be denied. 

In some ways it's great that Collarme has grown to the point that the Mods can no longer screen all the pictures people wish to use as their first picture, the one that shows on their profile and when they use the forums.  So, the Mods have asked us, the users to let them know if and when we see a picture that is particularly offensive in some way.  I think it's wonderful that the Mods trust us to only report pictures that really are questionable.  The Mods only have to make decisions on a few pictures instead of thousands.  It is up to the Mods to decide if a picture should be allowed or not.  When and if I report a picture I am only asking the Mods whether the picture is within the guidelines of the site.  I have no say in whether the picture stays or goes.  It's the Mod's decision based on Collarme's guidelines. 

If one wishes to see cock shots and pussy shots there are several meat market web sites where those pictures are available for all to see.  Of course, those sites don't always have forums where people can discuss the pictures, but if pictures is what you want, then pictures is what you can have.  At least here on Collarme you have been given the opportunity to express your displeasure at not being able to see and post those pictures. 



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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 5:13:39 PM   
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I wonder what the criteria is in deciding if a pic is objectionable or not.

If it's a picture of a dick, does it have to be "arty" to stay? If so, will only the Rembrandts stay, and the Jackson Pollocks banished?

And, as always, this is a great opportunity for me to show off my giant cock .


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 5:31:14 PM   
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There just needs to be some taste involved.

"Taste" is just a fancy way of saying: "I only want to see what I want to see."

Nonsense. Unless perhaps you disagree with the rest of the world that liquidated cabbage does taste nice. Like common sense there is this idea of common taste. There is no reason for the persecution of naturists other than the sensibilities of a society. With any society there is this idea as to what is tasteful to that society.

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 6:56:28 PM   
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Nonsense. Unless perhaps you disagree with the rest of the world that liquidated cabbage does taste nice. Like common sense there is this idea of common taste. There is no reason for the persecution of naturists other than the sensibilities of a society. With any society there is this idea as to what is tasteful to that society.

"Last thing you want to see on a chooseday is rim cheese" Peter Harvey

So, you're saying that within the confines of a community, there is an expectation of what one should expect to be exposed to? And that, based on those community standards and expectations, should the understanding or at least irony-free commentary grow from?

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6.3.        You acknowledge and understand that some of the Materials contain graphic visual depictions of sexual activity and nudity, graphic audio portions of the same kind of content, and descriptions of sexually oriented and sexually explicit activities.  You acknowledge that You are aware of the nature of the Materials provided by Our Website and that You are not offended by such Materials, and to the contrary, that You are accessing this Website specifically because You enjoy such expressive content and You wish to view such Materials.  You stipulate that you access this Website freely, voluntarily, and willingly, and for Your own personal enjoyment.

The nature of this site necessitates it being self-advertised as a porn site. It gains money from working within the promotional circles of porn sites. It advertises porn sites.

And somehow, some way, some people are under this presumption that being appalled or discomforted by being exposed to porn, by virtue of being on this website, is a grievance they can feel justified in complaining about.

If this thread is about wanting to report a picture, ask about how to report a picture. If it is a thread about asking why the 'report a picture' button isn't more easily usable, make a thread asking about the technical changes that could be made.

But starting a thread to whine about how your visual morals were offended by having to see something you agreed to see by signing up for this website is not only ridiculous, it is as hypocritical as me complaining about having to look at someone's face on a profile if it doesn't strike my fancy. Trying to dress it up as a matter of "taste" after the fact, is purely disingenuous.

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 7:02:34 PM   
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In some ways it's great that Collarme has grown to the point that the Mods can no longer screen all the pictures people wish to use as their first picture, the one that shows on their profile and when they use the forums.  So, the Mods have asked us, the users to let them know if and when we see a picture that is particularly offensive in some way.  I think it's wonderful that the Mods trust us to only report pictures that really are questionable.  The Mods only have to make decisions on a few pictures instead of thousands.  It is up to the Mods to decide if a picture should be allowed or not.  When and if I report a picture I am only asking the Mods whether the picture is within the guidelines of the site.  I have no say in whether the picture stays or goes.  It's the Mod's decision based on Collarme's guidelines.

Trying to pretend your motives were purely altruistic towards the benefit of the sites image parameters (which, as far as nudity are concerned, are not spelled out explicitly, but simply granted a status of 'at the mods/admin's discretion') does not go over well when you first expression of concern about the image looked like this:

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It was not tastefully done as I've seen some of the nude pictures.  It was just a cock and balls...ugly ones to boot.   I immediately hid that user so that I will never have to see that again, at least from that member.


Because a tasteful shot of a cock and balls that you find attractive may have gotten by just fine?

I may just start looking around for a willing model to shoot such a shot with me, then.

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If one wishes to see cock shots and pussy shots there are several meat market web sites where those pictures are available for all to see.  Of course, those sites don't always have forums where people can discuss the pictures, but if pictures is what you want, then pictures is what you can have.  At least here on Collarme you have been given the opportunity to express your displeasure at not being able to see and post those pictures. 

Again, in case you missed it:

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You acknowledge and understand that some of the Materials contain graphic visual depictions of sexual activity and nudity, graphic audio portions of the same kind of content, and descriptions of sexually oriented and sexually explicit activities.  You acknowledge that You are aware of the nature of the Materials provided by Our Website and that You are not offended by such Materials, and to the contrary, that You are accessing this Website specifically because You enjoy such expressive content and You wish to view such Materials.  You stipulate that you access this Website freely, voluntarily, and willingly, and for Your own personal enjoyment.


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 7:15:20 PM   
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But starting a thread to whine about how your visual morals were offended by having to see something you agreed to see by signing up for this sight is not only ridiculous, it is as hypocritical as me complaining about having to look at someone's face on a profile if it doesn't strike my fancy. Trying to dress it up as a matter of "taste" after the fact, is purely disingenuous.


HOLD ON THERE ONE DARN MINUTE.  When I signed up for Collarme there were NO naked pictures allowed.  As I stated earlier, there were NO fuzzy pictures allowed.  There was NO bondage pictuers allowed even if fully clothed.  So don't tell me what I signed up for.  I did not sign up to see another alt.com meat market. 






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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 7:16:41 PM   
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And if anyone wants to argue that this is NOT a "porn site", read the definition of porn. Basically, it's pics, words, whatever, that's intended to sexually arouse.

Now, maybe not everyone has any sexual thoughts or feelings associated with d/s, m/s, etc. Those folks would certainly be in the minority, I would guess.


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 7:19:37 PM   
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HOLD ON THERE ONE DARN MINUTE.  When I signed up for Collarme there were NO naked pictures allowed.  As I stated earlier, there were NO fuzzy pictures allowed.  There was NO bondage pictuers allowed even if fully clothed.  So don't tell me what I signed up for.  I did not sign up to see another alt.com meat market. 


If you're saying that the Terms of Service of this website have changed concerning the depiction of sexual images since you started your account here, I'm willing to be shown/told by someone behind the scenes who might actually be able to substantiate your point.

Somehow though, as a former webmaster of an adult fetish-related website, I have a suspicion that will not be the case.






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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 7:21:13 PM   
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And if anyone wants to argue that this is NOT a "porn site", read the definition of porn. Basically, it's pics, words, whatever, that's intended to sexually arouse.

Now, maybe not everyone has any sexual thoughts or feelings associated with d/s, m/s, etc. Those folks would certainly be in the minority, I would guess.


Not that, say, advertisements for Kink.com sites would suggest anything...




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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 7:34:22 PM   
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Perish the thought!

I mean, most kink sites have ads with rainbows and butterflys...


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 8:17:55 PM   
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There just needs to be some taste involved. 


"Taste" is just a fancy way of saying: "I only want to see what I want to see."



Oh thank heavens.  I thought she meant I was going to have to lick the screen.


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 8:21:13 PM   
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what's wrong with a little screen licking every now and then?

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 8:22:15 PM   
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I only lick the screen for certain people... not random cock shots.

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/16/2009 8:23:58 PM   
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HOLD ON THERE ONE DARN MINUTE.  When I signed up for Collarme there were NO naked pictures allowed.  As I stated earlier, there were NO fuzzy pictures allowed.  There was NO bondage pictuers allowed even if fully clothed.  So don't tell me what I signed up for.  I did not sign up to see another alt.com meat market. 


If you're saying that the Terms of Service of this website have changed concerning the depiction of sexual images since you started your account here, I'm willing to be shown/told by someone behind the scenes who might actually be able to substantiate your point.

Somehow though, as a former webmaster of an adult fetish-related website, I have a suspicion that will not be the case.







There were NO sexual images allowed as avatars on this site when I joined.  I have NO idea how TOS was written then.  All I know is people used to complain that they couldn't get a picture approved to use as an avatar and those pictures had NO sexual theme at all.  If I remember right, clothed bodies with no heads were turned down.  When I joined there was also NO advertising of porn sites either.  It was just a friendly little BDSM site that had the best forum around. 

At this point I am unwilling to argue.  The Mods say a member can report a picture.  I'm very sorry if you feel no one has the right to report a picture.   Perhaps you should start a new thread.  In it you can rally for an anything goes Collarme.  At times threads have made changes around here.  You might get the report picture function stopped.  Give it a try.  Good luck. 

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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/17/2009 9:08:09 AM   
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So, you're saying that within the confines of a community, there is an expectation of what one should expect to be exposed to? And that, based on those community standards and expectations, should the understanding or at least irony-free commentary grow from?

No I didn't say any such thing.
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Terms of Service
bla bla bla...

I've no great desire to dissect the terms of service (I didn’t mention them or what the views of people I don’t know are i.e. the site management). You stated that acceptable taste was determined by each individual in the world and the reality is that is nonsense because people that form groups also decide subconsciously or consciously what is and isn't acceptable within that group.
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The nature of this site necessitates it being self-advertised as a porn site. It gains money from working within the promotional circles of porn sites. It advertises porn sites.

Thanks for the lecture on how this site runs, not really sure how it is relevant to anything I've said however.
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And somehow, some way, some people are under this presumption that being appalled or discomforted by being exposed to porn, by virtue of being on this website, is a grievance they can feel justified in complaining about.

People complain big deal. You are now complaining about other people complaining, so what? I didn't say anything in relation to this.
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But starting a thread to whine about how your visual morals were offended by having to see something you agreed to see by signing up for this website is not only ridiculous, it is as hypocritical as me complaining about having to look at someone's face on a profile if it doesn't strike my fancy. Trying to dress it up as a matter of "taste" after the fact, is purely disingenuous.

Perhaps you should limit your responses to one person at a time as I don't know if you are now talking to me or using your response to me as another excuse to attack the op for writing something against your taste on the internet.

Regarding the content of what I've seen here I'd easily say I've seen far worse elsewhere. E.g. not yet here have I seen a member showing a picture where they have shoved an entire wine bottle into their rectum. This would be beyond the limits of acceptable content here (I'd imagine) based on the opinions of a small group.

Are you really maintaining individuals decide what good taste is? That is kind of naive given the level of regulation these days regarding visual content.


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RE: Don't care for these new rules - 10/17/2009 12:52:01 PM   
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You stated that acceptable taste was determined by each individual in the world and the reality is that is nonsense because people that form groups also decide subconsciously or consciously what is and isn't acceptable within that group.

Exactly. And this "group" (the website admin) has laid out what their interpretation of "taste" is and it involves you consenting to looking at naughty pictures.

But if you are talking about a wider constituency of people than just the website, then based on your country's Extreme Pornography Act, you probably shouldn't even be on here since it is likely to involve you being exposed to plenty of potentially illegal (which we must presume also means "tasteless" right?) imagery.

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