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kdsub -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 12:50:18 PM)
Will if you can come up with a way to separate the two let me know and we will both be rich. In the mean time take some time to read through THIS Butch

kdsub -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 12:59:22 PM)
Hi Thadius Again...if it is harmful then reducing it will be beneficial...if it turns out it is not harmful then no harm done. Remember the same technology used to reduce greenhouse gases will also reduce particle emissions… the processes will be working on the same emissions. How can we go wrong reducing both? Butch

Sanity -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:11:01 PM)
There are tremendous costs associated with fighting global warming, and the United States is on the verge of giving up massive portions of its affordable energy options and with them much of its heavy industry. The costs for everything will soon rise significantly because of our struggle against this imaginary demon, and the poor stand to suffer the most. Anyone who says it will harm nothing to go through these motions either doesn't understand the gargantuan effort we are about to undertake or they are lying to you.

Kirata -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:14:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub In the mean time take some time to read through THIS Well, it says... Important scientific questions remain about how much warming will occur, how fast it will occur, and how the warming will affect the rest of the climate system including precipitation patterns and storms. Answering these questions will require advances in scientific knowledge in a number of areas: - Improving understanding of natural climatic variations, changes in the sun's energy, land-use changes, the warming or cooling effects of pollutant aerosols, and the impacts of changing humidity and cloud cover. - Determining the relative contribution to climate change of human activities and natural causes. - Projecting future greenhouse emissions and how the climate system will respond within a narrow range. - Improving understanding of the potential for rapid or abrupt climate change. Kinda leaves a lot to be desired, eh? K.

Thadius -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:24:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Hi Thadius Again...if it is harmful then reducing it will be beneficial...if it turns out it is not harmful then no harm done. Remember the same technology used to reduce greenhouse gases will also reduce particle emissions… the processes will be working on the same emissions. How can we go wrong reducing both? Butch Hi Butch, I have no problem with moving towards lowering both. I am all in favor of finding cleaner and more renewable sources of energy. It is when folks at the UN start talking about me needing to cut back on the amount of gloriously tasty red meat that I eat; that I start questioning what the true motives are. If they were serious about me causing such a huge carbon footprint, they would encourage me to eat more and less lean meats, that way I would possibly cease to exist sooner, and thus completely cut out my impact on the Earth. [8D] I hope that helps clarify my position on it. Especially with the scientific debate still going on. Cleaner environment = better environment, less cheeseburgers = angry Thadius. I wish you well, Thadius

kdsub -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:29:52 PM)
Sanity...forget Global warming and think health ...what is important? If and I say if... a world wide agreement can be reached to set equal standards in reducing emissions then the cost will be spread over the world economy rather than just the US economy. I am willing to pay more for the heath of my children...how about you? Now if by reducing these emissions we also prevent or minimize global warming then it will be a plus... If it makes no difference in global warming then we will still reap benefits of only our health and the health of those we love now and in the future. How can you oppose this? Butch

Kirata -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:32:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius It is when folks at the UN start talking about me needing to cut back on the amount of gloriously tasty red meat that I eat; that I start questioning what the true motives are. Ain't that nuts? Don't those folks appreciate what a huge problem bovine flatulence is? What we need to be doin' here is eatin' them steers as fast as we can. K.

Sanity -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:35:03 PM)
Show me how carbon is a health menace. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Sanity...forget Global warming and think health ...what is important? If and I say if... a world wide agreement can be reached to set equal standards in reducing emissions then the cost will be spread over the world economy rather than just the US economy. I am willing to pay more for the heath of my children...how about you? Now if by reducing these emissions we also prevent or minimize global warming then it will be a plus... If it makes no difference in global warming then we will still reap benefits of only our health and the health of those we love now and in the future. How can you oppose this? Butch

Thadius -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius It is when folks at the UN start talking about me needing to cut back on the amount of gloriously tasty red meat that I eat; that I start questioning what the true motives are. Ain't that nuts? Don't those folks appreciate what a huge problem bovine flatulence is? What we need to be doin' here is eatin' them steers as fast as we can. K. Indeed. It would serve 2 purposes, it would solve all of that damn methane leakage, and it would help jumpstart the heart problems (supposedly) that could wipe out part of the population. Both would seem to help cut back on the "negative" effects of man on the Earth.

Sanity -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 1:48:49 PM)
And again, I oppose it because it puts American industry on an unfair footing against foreign competition, and the poor will suffer because of it. Energy prices especially will skyrocket, meaning heating and cooling and utilities and transportation will cost people more and more. The poor and the elderly on fixed incomes don't need this extra burden, its a huge extra tax at a time they need it least. And its not just heating and cooling and transportation, the cost of everything will rise on account of this fraud.

Kirata -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 2:10:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius It would serve 2 purposes.... You know, you may be on to something. If we could eliminate some of the approximately 6,811,988,908 sources of C02 around the world that are pumping it into our atmosphere 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, I bet we could lick this! (I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry) [:D] K.

Thadius -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 2:23:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius It would serve 2 purposes.... You know, you may be on to something. If we could eliminate some of the approximately 6,811,988,908 sources of C02 around the world that are pumping it into our atmosphere 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, I bet we could lick this! (I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry) [:D] K. Perhaps, environmentalists should be pro war? Or maybe, just maybe they have microbiologists working on the next super virus to thin the human herd, thus saving the environment... [;)] As always, Thadius

kdsub -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 2:24:28 PM)
Of course it does...that is not my point... The point IS...reducing greenhouse gases and emissions cannot hurt...but only help. If it pans out that they are harmful then we were smart...if it turns out they are not...at least for global warning then we are still smart to limit emission pollution of all kinds. It is a no brainer to me...but many have said I have none anyway so there is always room for disagreement. Butch

kdsub -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 2:25:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius It would serve 2 purposes.... You know, you may be on to something. If we could eliminate some of the approximately 6,811,988,908 sources of C02 around the world that are pumping it into our atmosphere 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, I bet we could lick this! (I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry) [:D] K. You can only move forward by taking the first step....[8\|]

Politesub53 -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 4:07:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The BBC's previous reporting has been very heavy handed in favor of the global warming alarmists, which I sort of jokingly refer to as a religious organization. I say that the BBC was their Pope because of its former totally skewed reporting on behalf of Al Gore's "The End Is Near" crowd, primarily because the highly influential BBC propagandists helped lead the way. But it appears that the momentum may be shifting, it appears that we may have found a much needed tipping point that will help steer things back towards a more realistic view of things. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The BBC are just reporting the facts, how you make that into them being the Pope is beyond me. Well I am glad you notice something that i dont seem to be seeing on the BBC over here. Maybe you can be so kind as to post links to these alarmist BBC programs.

DomKen -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 4:43:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Show me how carbon is a health menace. Try breathing in a 750ppm CO2 atmostphere and then we'll talk. Seriously though this is really very simple. Does anyone deny these things: 1) Increasing the percentage of CO2 in the atmostphere, without any other change, increases the amount of heat the atmosphere can retain. 2) Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased by 130ppm since 1750. 3) No other source for this increase has ever been found besides human activity. If anyone truly believes that global warming isn't a threat I urge them to move to a sea shore within 1 meter of sea level and stay put no matter what happens. If you're right you get to live at the sea shore. If you're wrong the rest of us don't have to deal with you any more.

Politesub53 -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 5:27:09 PM)
I have to admit I am dubious about some of the claims politicians spout. Some of it is political grandstanding, some is an excuse to raise taxes. I am unsure as to the degree of global warming, but to say it doesnt exist is foolish. Ken is right about rising tides, I know as I live on the coast myself.

Sanity -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 5:41:58 PM)
That's kinda the same argument for becoming a Jehovah's Witness. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Try breathing in a 750ppm CO2 atmostphere and then we'll talk. Seriously though this is really very simple. Does anyone deny these things: 1) Increasing the percentage of CO2 in the atmostphere, without any other change, increases the amount of heat the atmosphere can retain. 2) Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased by 130ppm since 1750. 3) No other source for this increase has ever been found besides human activity. If anyone truly believes that global warming isn't a threat I urge them to move to a sea shore within 1 meter of sea level and stay put no matter what happens. If you're right you get to live at the sea shore. If you're wrong the rest of us don't have to deal with you any more.

Thadius -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 6:02:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Show me how carbon is a health menace. (snip) If anyone truly believes that global warming isn't a threat I urge them to move to a sea shore within 1 meter of sea level and stay put no matter what happens. If you're right you get to live at the sea shore. If you're wrong the rest of us don't have to deal with you any more. Ever tried putting some ice in a styrofoam cup then filling it to the rim with water? Even with the ice being above the rim, when it melts it doesn't run over the sides of the cup.... I am not going to get into the scientific debate on whether man is or isn't responsible for global warming; there simply isn't enough data to make that determination. Although this was a decent read.

Kirata -> RE: BBC: What happened to global warming? (10/10/2009 6:26:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius Although this was a decent read. Thanks, that's a good one. K.

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