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tazzygirl -> How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 9:43:32 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bObItmxAGc

Caught this on Maher just now... lol... interesting concept!



estah -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 11:05:56 AM)

Soylent Green might work also.

Sorry tazzy, but it is interesting.





tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 11:10:00 AM)

lol.. its ok... sorry... the Catholic church, and the Vatican, hold alot of wealth. For what purpose? arent they supposed to help the poor? wouldnt that kind of wealth feed the starving? Then again... for how long? and how do you get through to the nations whose people are starving and the governments prevent the help?



slvemike4u -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 2:03:32 PM)

I'm not sure the Pope will look too kindly on a Jewish comedian telling him what to do with his city.



tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 2:10:36 PM)

LOL... i know... but still you gotta give her props for the idea!

Perhaps she should be in contention for the next Nobel Prize!



Moonhead -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 2:11:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Arent they supposed to help the poor?

Catholics haven't been big on that one since they nailed Christ up, and the mother church appears to despise the idea.



Fellow -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 9:21:17 PM)

This attack on Catholic Church feels bad taste to me. After all Catholic priests serve bred and wine to millions.
Seriously speaking, church charities do a lot for hungry. In addition, they feed the soul with hope an peace.
Maybe to sell the Pentagon instead.



tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/11/2009 9:37:18 PM)

Im sorry Fellow.. actually, im not. I used to consider myself catholic. Taking into consideration all the harm that has been done to the masses in the name of catholicism, its not such a bad idea... even if it was a joke of sorts.



mcbride -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 1:48:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

lol.. its ok... sorry... the Catholic church, and the Vatican, hold alot of wealth. For what purpose? arent they supposed to help the poor? wouldnt that kind of wealth feed the starving? Then again... for how long? and how do you get through to the nations whose people are starving and the governments prevent the help?


Actually, Tazzy, I hate to be a spoilsport, but in 2007, the Vatican, admittedly a very large organization with a billion members, had revenues of $374 million, and has run a deficit for several years.  To put that in perspective, Rush Limbaugh just signed a $400 million dollar contract extension.

And yes, they are supposed to help the poor. Catholic Charities feeds, shelters, and educates more men, women, and children than any other organization on the planet. That doesn't count other agencies such as Catholic Relief Services, which operates in more than 100 countries.

I'll bet Sarah Silverman is gonna donate her big screen TV, don't you?





Ialdabaoth -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 2:59:02 AM)

We could already feed the world, for free, with the amount of surplus produce thrown away in the US alone.

The problem isn't one of production, or even of cash; it's of distribution and political control.

There are people who would rather starve, than allow their neighbors to eat. There are others who would rather they and their neighbors starve, than admit they need help. And there are others who are afraid that if those beneath their boots are fed, they will be strong enough to overthrow them.

Until that is changed, the world will go hungry.



samboct -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 6:06:05 AM)

I think Sam Kinison had a much better idea.

Off the top of my head....

SK:  I have the solution to all those starving kids in Africa.  We're going to send them U-Hauls.  I mean, do you know why you're starving?  (gesturing to a hypothetical starving child)  Do you know what this is?  (Mimes sand running through fingers.)  It's sand.  You live in a FUCKING DESERT!!!!ARGGHHHH!!!!NOTHING GROWS IN A FUCKING DESERT!!!  Don't send them food- send them trucks so they can move the fuck out of the desert!

OK- found it- about 4 min. in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1GjyrQiSRs


Sam



tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 7:13:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mcbride

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

lol.. its ok... sorry... the Catholic church, and the Vatican, hold alot of wealth. For what purpose? arent they supposed to help the poor? wouldnt that kind of wealth feed the starving? Then again... for how long? and how do you get through to the nations whose people are starving and the governments prevent the help?


Actually, Tazzy, I hate to be a spoilsport, but in 2007, the Vatican, admittedly a very large organization with a billion members, had revenues of $374 million, and has run a deficit for several years.  To put that in perspective, Rush Limbaugh just signed a $400 million dollar contract extension.

And yes, they are supposed to help the poor. Catholic Charities feeds, shelters, and educates more men, women, and children than any other organization on the planet. That doesn't count other agencies such as Catholic Relief Services, which operates in more than 100 countries.

I'll bet Sarah Silverman is gonna donate her big screen TV, don't you?





yes, i know about Catholic Charities and all the rest.  i also know they church holds a VAST amount of wealth... the Vatican isnt just a house, ya know.

And, yup, i agree what Rush, and most other celebs, are earning is obscene amounts... dont look to them to help end the problem.  all they can do is sign a check for a couple grand and call it a night... in their 7 million dollar houses.

i dont expect any of them to do anything... silverstone is into comedy.... lol... and you look for them to give up anything?  think Rush will?  Think Clinton will?  Think any rapper/rock/country/movie/ ______ star will?

we have become a nation of greed.  not only at the corportate level, but at the personal level as well.  and its a system that is on its way to imploding.



Ialdabaoth -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 11:57:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: samboct

I think Sam Kinison had a much better idea.

Off the top of my head....

SK:  I have the solution to all those starving kids in Africa.  We're going to send them U-Hauls.  I mean, do you know why you're starving?  (gesturing to a hypothetical starving child)  Do you know what this is?  (Mimes sand running through fingers.)  It's sand.  You live in a FUCKING DESERT!!!!ARGGHHHH!!!!NOTHING GROWS IN A FUCKING DESERT!!!  Don't send them food- send them trucks so they can move the fuck out of the desert!

OK- found it- about 4 min. in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1GjyrQiSRs


Sam


Plenty of them have already tried that. It's hard to move out of the desert when you're surrounded by people who want to kill you.



Moonhead -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 12:21:52 PM)

Jerry Sadowitz did a routine along those lines before Kinnison, I think.



mcbride -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/14/2009 10:35:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

yes, i know about Catholic Charities and all the rest.  i also know they church holds a VAST amount of wealth... the Vatican isnt just a house, ya know.



Really?  Where?  And where's the income from all that wealth?  I kept checking all the credible sources, and there's certainly a ton of information on line detailing the church's finances, (try, for example a detailed book called Inside the Vatican by Thomas J. Reese, if you want a very close look at their finances) , but I couldn't find any credible sources that even hinted at "vast wealth". Where should I look?



tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/15/2009 1:09:19 AM)

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/catholic-hypocrisy

Thats a good place to start.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125373769718835097.html

http://www.cuf.org/Faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=242

http://one-faith-of-god.org/final_testament/end_of_darkness/truth/truth_0030.htm

interesting what one can find... if one decides to look.



mcbride -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/15/2009 4:57:25 AM)


Interesting what one can find, if one isn't picky about a lack of evidence.  I think I asked for evidence of what you called "vast wealth."

Apart from owning gold, which the church does, nothing in the first article, a blog by a private individual, is sourced.  Indeed, excepting the line about the gold, nothing he alleges, and he alleges a lot, cites anything. He quotes only Avro Manhattan, whose profoundly anti-Catholic books are big with the Jack Chick Pope-is-the-Anti-Christ crowd. Seriously, you'd have to quote the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion to be less credible than ol' Avro, who, btw, died 20 years ago. 

The second item says not a word about wealth, and only discusses the fallout from the Banco Abrosiano affair.

The third makes my point for me. It notes that most of the "wealth" is tied up in property, almost entirely churches, schools and hospitals.  It also has a short discussion about the justification for things like costly vessels.  

The last site you sent me to is operated by a religious group that tells us that the Messiah is coming in exactly 436 days. It says the church has "visible title to around US $316 Billion of property (churches, schools, hospitals etc)," which is indeed what the property consists of, as I said, although I can't vouch for the number.  Then it alleges "US $2,623 Billion of investment property hidden in extremely complex networks of hundreds of thousands of trusts and front companies."  So complex that they can't show any evidence for that, or for the similar claims that follow.  

You'd think if they had a scrap of evidence to show us, they'd sorta want to, doncha think?   Maybe they think you and I are dumb enough to just fall for it, because they're so objective.

Tazzy, if you want to believe it, and clearly you do want to, please, be my guest.  David Ickx says the Pope is a lizard from space, and people read his books and believe it, because they want to.  I spent about 24 years in a profession in which you have to prove what you allege, or show compelling evidence, or you'd get your ass sued off. That tends to colour my outlook on this.




tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/15/2009 6:35:55 AM)

And you provide no proof that what is said about the church is false.  Odd how that is as well.  As far as finding "accurate" information, the Church has a long history of not wishing to be transparent in what they own.  Perhaps now, with a new head of the Churches Bank, we might have a little glimpse inside.  I doubt it though.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/813335/Guillen-The-Vaticans-Finances-2003

page 16 has an interesting tid bit about an internal audit dated 1994.

http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showdoc.php?org_id=843&doc_id=1821

page 5... again... quite an interesting total

again, interestingly enough, the only magazine besides Wall Street Journal which even hints at an amount is Time, dated back in the 60's.

Now, as far as opinions... eh... they abound here.  Nor do i have to wonder and worry when the Vatican police will show up at my door.  The wealth the church holds is apparent to any who wish to open their eyes.  Art collections that would make any collector orgasm to possess.  Property holdings in the US alone would make a real estate agent drool to list.

Now, certainly, you may take the moral high ground and scream.. prove it.  These things i dont have to prove.  The church owns up to them... even brags about them.

I could keep digging, but im not going too.  This thread was meant to be a light hearted look at the possibilities to feed the hungry.  It was proposed, i found it funny.. because we all know the Vatican would never do what she suggested.



mcbride -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/15/2009 3:13:22 PM)

Here’s how it works.

If you make an assertion, such as “The church has vast wealth”, the onus is on you to prove it.  I can’t disprove the negative, and Joe McCarthy was fond of using that tactic. Don’t be a Joe.

I had fun looking up your man Rafael Rodriguez Guillen, author of the first link in your post today. I found him for sale here with these other important books:

Children of the Matrix, David Icke (Dave’s the guy who believes that the Pope and most world leaders are lizards from space. No, I’m not making this up.)
Quick and Dirty Homemade Silencers by George Hayduke
Global Bondage - The U.N. Plan to Rule the World
The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America

Mr Rodriguez Guillen believes that, and I’m quoting here, “the Antichrist in the Vatican rules the world” and that the UN agency UNESCO is part of, quote, the powers of the Antichrist over government.

Now, which of his topic headings do you prefer, in terms of making your case?  “The Mafia of the Vatican is Directed by The Antichrist 666,” (p.95) or “Satan Has Covered With Smoke Screens The Minds of The Majority of Human Beings” (p.102)?

Is this, seriously, your credible source?

If your target was, say, jews, do you think people would be starting to take offense?

This thread was, as you said, meant to be a light hearted look at the possibilities to feed the hungry, and funnily enough, I was able to provide sources that show that for all its flaws, the church feeds, clothes, shelters, and educates the poor, more than any other organization on the planet, a fact you weren’t anxious to discuss.

There’s an awful lot the church does that appalls me, and it certainly makes itself a target often enough, but please, let’s go easy on the Antichrist crazies, shall we?






tazzygirl -> RE: How to feed the world! (10/15/2009 4:27:52 PM)

little boy... go play elsewhere... i have already spoken my peace on this issue.  if you have problems with what i have said... they are your problems.  if you dont like what i have said.. ignore is always an option.  this thread was about a comedy skit from a jewish woman saying how the catholic church should pay for the hungry to eat.  its funny... period.

take a chill pill

btw, i argue both sides of the pew.  stop yapping long enough you might realize you are calling the wrong person Antichrist.



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