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Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:08:34 PM   
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Kind of sucks when things come back to bite you in the ass.

The Republican Party couldn't say enough good things about the teabaggers until..........................


Tea partiers turn on GOP leaders, back insurgent conservatives

While the energy of the anti-tax and anti-Big Government tea party movement may yet haunt Democrats in 2010, the first order of business appears to be remaking the Republican Party.

Whether it’s the loose confederation of Washington-oriented groups that have played an organizational role or the state-level activists who are channeling grass-roots anger into action back home, tea party forces are confronting the Republican establishment by backing insurgent conservatives and generating their own candidates — even if it means taking on GOP incumbents.

“We will be a headache for anyone who believes the Constitution of the United States … isn’t to be protected,” said Dick Armey, chairman of the anti-tax and limited government advocacy group FreedomWorks, which helped plan and promote the tea parties, town hall protests and the September ‘Taxpayer March’ in Washington. “If you can’t take it seriously, we will look for places of other employment for you.”

“We’re not a partisan organization, and I think many Republicans are disappointed we are not,” added Armey, a former GOP congressman.

...........Tea party organizers say their resistance to Republican Party-backed primary candidates has much to do with what they perceive as the GOP’s stubborn insistence on embracing candidates who don’t abide by a small government, anti-tax conservative philosophy.

“It’s an outgrowth of the frustration people have had with the Republican Party,” said Andrew Moylan, director of governmental affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, another group that has played a large role in organizing the tea party movement. “I think a lot of people have been angry at Republicans for betraying our trust.”
“I think the GOP establishment has ignored their constituents and the feelings of their constituents for years,” added Meckler.

It’s an unusual predicament for the Republican Party, since the conservative-oriented issues that animate Tea Party activists once seemed destined to make the movement a valuable auxiliary to the Republican Party.

.............“I think it was a bad, bad political decision,” Armey said of the 34 Senate Republicans and 91 House Republicans who voted for the TARP bailout, “and if you talk to grass-roots activists, it has become a political test for them.” Moylan agreed that TARP is “really kind of the flash point that started all of this.”

“People are paying attention and are willing to hold these people accountable,” he said.

For some, supporting insurgent campaigns or waging primary bids just isn’t a strong enough signal to send to a Republican Party that has abandoned core conservative policies.

Erick Erickson, founder and editor of the influential conservative blog RedState, has urged tea party activists to “put down the protest signs” and stage takeovers of local Republican parties.

“Grass-roots activists need to start infiltrating the party,” said Erickson. “The only way to start getting [the establishment] back is to start pounding them with every fist we have.”
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:17:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most of the tea-party goers that I have met, in my area, are independents. So this doesn't surprise me.

Of course there were those that were from the GOP and other far right folks, but the majority that I talked to were indies and were just as sick of the Repubs as the Dems.

My experience may be unique, but I doubt it.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:19:37 PM   
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:24:36 PM   
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:38:26 PM   
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The dems had a landslide in 2008 because of the independants. If they lose them, they lose big in 2010.
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Let me say two words to you...Ralph Nader.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:44:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Most of the tea-party goers that I have met, in my area, are independents. So this doesn't surprise me.

Of course there were those that were from the GOP and other far right folks, but the majority that I talked to were indies and were just as sick of the Repubs as the Dems.

My experience may be unique, but I doubt it.

I wish you well,
Thadius



Thad, that's what I've seen too. But, I think it's a good thing to shake up all those pricks in Washington!
They can't win elections without the independant vote.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 6:56:28 PM   
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 7:07:38 PM   
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 7:36:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doesn't surprise me at all. From what I saw of the Tea Parties and the people I saw who were asked on camera why they were there, there's nothing new here, except that maybe some Democrats will stop calling them partisan astro-turf stooges now. As for the Republicans, they weren't listening either. Oops. They will be soon.

K.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 8:27:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

Most of the tea-party goers that I have met, in my area, are independents. So this doesn't surprise me.

Of course there were those that were from the GOP and other far right folks, but the majority that I talked to were indies and were just as sick of the Repubs as the Dems.

My experience may be unique, but I doubt it.



That may be be true, but the irony of the situation is what I find hilarious.

Republicans were making speeches praising these protesters as the true voice of America. 

Wonder what they'll say now.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 8:31:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Doesn't surprise me at all. From what I saw of the Tea Parties and the people I saw who were asked on camera why they were there, there's nothing new here, except that maybe some Democrats will stop calling them partisan astro-turf stooges now. As for the Republicans, they weren't listening either. Oops. They will be soon.

K.


Actually there is something new.

What you have is a growing divide in the GOP that the party leadership inadvertantly encouraged, thinking it would benefit the party.

And if it continues we are likely to see Democrats actually gaining seats in the next Congressional election.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 9:12:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Doesn't surprise me at all. From what I saw of the Tea Parties and the people I saw who were asked on camera why they were there, there's nothing new here, except that maybe some Democrats will stop calling them partisan astro-turf stooges now. As for the Republicans, they weren't listening either. Oops. They will be soon.

K.


Actually there is something new.

What you have is a growing divide in the GOP that the party leadership inadvertantly encouraged, thinking it would benefit the party.

And if it continues we are likely to see Democrats actually gaining seats in the next Congressional election.


Rule, that doesn't make sense. You have two (2) packs of bastards that are no good. Wouldn't you want to get rid of *both* of them?
That's like asking someone if they'd prefer a broken arm or a broken leg! How's about "neither?"

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/11/2009 9:21:33 PM   
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 5:42:17 AM   
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Ralph Nader had no effect on the last election and will have no effect on any future elections.


You miss my point, SFU. I am talking about the election of 2000, not 2008. In that election, Nader bled just enough support from Gore to play a big part in why Bush gained the whitehouse. Since the tea partiers tend to skew right, independent or not, their votes for independents will bleed support from the conservative candidates the GOP fields in the election. I think we'll see the republicans suffering more from this than the democrats will.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 7:59:35 AM   
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 8:13:10 AM   
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Ralph Nader had no effect on the last election and will have no effect on any future elections.


You miss my point, SFU. I am talking about the election of 2000, not 2008. In that election, Nader bled just enough support from Gore to play a big part in why Bush gained the whitehouse. Since the tea partiers tend to skew right, independent or not, their votes for independents will bleed support from the conservative candidates the GOP fields in the election. I think we'll see the republicans suffering more from this than the democrats will.


Morning,

Actually, I am not sure if I follow your logic. First, the indies were already pissed at the GOP, hence the results in the last election cycle. Second, the midterm elections typically don't pull the kind of numbers that the national elections do, unless there is a hot topic issue on the ballot. Third, there are no coat tails to ride on the big tickets, which suggests that the majority of voters that turn out next Nov. are going to be the usual folks and the angry indies. Finally, most of the opinions I have gathered (in my personal interactions with some of these folks) seem to be suggesting that any and all incumbants are going to be getting a no vote (vote for whoever is running against them).

Who knows what will happen between now and then, things could dramatically change with the economy booming or some disaster (natural or man-made). As of right now I would put my money on things in Congress being balanced out a bit more, or possibly flipping the house, just to balance the executive.

I wish you well,
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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 8:45:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wander though many blogs, both left and right, and see an interesting development.
Beneath all the phony "astroturf" of the Tea Parties (they were in fact organized by D.L. Piper, a corporate lobbying firm) it still remains that there is a geunine populist anger in the country.
However, the anger is disassociated from any coherent theory or target- people are angry at corporations, the government, ethinc groups....the anger is free floating, unfocused, and depending on when or if it finds a target, potentially lethal for one or both of the parties.

Right now, the GOP is in the worst shape- the best they can hope for is to be the anti-incumbent party. When you go on websites like RedState, you will find plenty of anger and Obama Derangement Syndrome, but you won't find a clear coherent message; all the shouting about less government is undercut by the shouting for more power for the Executive Branch in the War on Terror. You will see people apoplectic over the bank bailouts, yet strenuously resisting calls for regulation of the banks. Furious over the deficit, but demanding more military spending.

So they want less government, but to have that tiny government to have nearly unlimited power and scope.

When your hope is to be the "Not Those Guys" party, you are in bad shape.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 9:15:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


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Ralph Nader had no effect on the last election and will have no effect on any future elections.


You miss my point, SFU. I am talking about the election of 2000, not 2008. In that election, Nader bled just enough support from Gore to play a big part in why Bush gained the whitehouse. Since the tea partiers tend to skew right, independent or not, their votes for independents will bleed support from the conservative candidates the GOP fields in the election. I think we'll see the republicans suffering more from this than the democrats will.



So the example should be Perot then, instead of Nader.  A populist conservative whacko instead of a fringe leftist whacko. 

I also have to wonder how much of the support Nader "bled" from Gore in 2000 was like the Nader vote I cast.  I voted for Nader because I would not, under any circumstances, cast my vote for Al Gore, and that included letting Bush II get the job.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 12:00:46 PM   
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Ralph Nader had no effect on the last election and will have no effect on any future elections.


Servant, that's nice but I wasn't talking about Ralph Nader I was talking about Independant voters.

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RE: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership - 10/12/2009 12:02:18 PM   
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The reality is though that the two-party system has been here a very long time and will likely continue.


Oh? You mean just like E.F. Hutton, Lehman Bros. and Merrill Lynch?

Look at how fucked up the country is because of the Dems and Repubs.
I'd like to try something new!

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