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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 10/15/2009 10:38:16 AM   
Kana


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Status: offline 		Nope. Sex is like everything else. My terms or not at all. She can ask, beg, plead, grovel, but none of those guarantees results.
I control my sex drive. I am not controlled by it. Otherwise she would hold the trump card and then any domination I claimed would be a sham.
There are times when nothing is better than getting her all riled up and then saying no.
Most women aren't used to having sex denied. The look on their face is priceless.
No BS-I played with a girl for over a year and never had sex with her once. Made her fuck stiletto's, insertables, rammed her everyways but sideways but never put my cock  in her.
Absolutely drove her nuts.
And of course the control, ah that wondrous thing, that was what really hit me.
Watching a sensible grown woman reduced to a pleading pool of animalistic goo, desperate, begging and groveling-what could be better than that?

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 10/15/2009 12:06:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am also glad I waited until I answered this thread.  As Des noted, the situation and the context make all the difference in the world. 

Can MY submissive try to tease me into having sex with her?  Sure, just as she can beg or cajole or flirt or seduce or even pout her way into having sex with her.  In fact, as I've stated on here before, I don't want to be the only one initiating play...I don't want to be the only one who I ever sure about being interested enough in sex/play to start it.  The difference is that when I initiate it, she cannot say no and when she initiates it, I can.

Can a submissive who is not mine try to tease or provoke me into having sex with her?  She can try but it isn't going to happen until I KNOW for damn sure that it is what is wanted by both parties.  Until that certainty exists, I'm not going there.  Hell, even when it exists, you still run the risk the next day of them changing their mind and deciding "I didn't want it to go that far" and accusing you of rape/assault.


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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 10/15/2009 2:27:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Tease" has a broad definition, also.  One of the most disgusting events of my life was sitting on a grand jury years back and listening to the child sex-abuse cases, and time after time hearing, "Well, I thought she wanted it, she was teasing me by sitting on my lap and touching me...."   "She" being 3 years old at the time.

Too many times, it's a lame excuse.

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 10/15/2009 2:31:51 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I think, Dom or sub, everyone wants to feel they are desired by their partners. 

a Dom, in my opinion, can initiate and push. 

a sub can initiate, and pray

Unless its a rule... there is nothing wrong with a sub teasing her/his Dom.  But im speaking of partners, not strangers or casual acquaintances.

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/10/2010 1:28:43 PM   
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Watching a sensible grown woman reduced to a pleading pool of animalistic goo, desperate, begging and groveling-what could be better than that?
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ORIGINAL: Kana
for me???
Watching a sensible grown man reduced to a pleading pool of animalistic goo, desperate, begging and groveling.
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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/10/2010 3:08:55 PM   
osf


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Status: offline 		is this a serious question?

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/10/2010 3:20:38 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		yeah..doesn't work with him. He's always fully in control of his genitals.

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/10/2010 3:21:52 PM   
LillyoftheVally


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Status: offline 		Hmm from recent activity of OP I can't help but wonder.

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/10/2010 3:28:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Carmeldelight

I asked this question because a Dom is claiming that the submissive teased him and that is why he has sex with her. Even though this submissive had told him she was not interested in having sex with him. This Dom forced him self on the submissive and is now telling her it was her fault because she teased him. As you know the police do not look so kindly on Dom/submission so he was able to get away with the crime.


Hold on. You know someone who was raped and your concern is if the sub/slave teased the dom into doing it? And you are still giving this twit a capital "D"?

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/11/2010 7:44:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Carmeldelight

The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave teases you into having sex with them?”


Hush woman! There is no need to tell one and all my sexual hunting secrets and philosophy...


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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/11/2010 8:04:26 AM   
WinsomeDefiance


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ORIGINAL: Carmeldelight

I asked this question because a Dom is claiming that the submissive teased him and that is why he has sex with her. Even though this submissive had told him she was not interested in having sex with him. This Dom forced him self on the submissive and is now telling her it was her fault because she teased him. As you know the police do not look so kindly on Dom/submission so he was able to get away with the crime.



I think if a Dominant tells ME, "your teasing drove me to do it," it is taken as a playful jest.  Unless I know the truth of the matter is that it is a manipulation of facts with the intention of justifying and rationalizing an action.  But, you notice I am saying this is how I would feel, in a particular situation that I have personal and intimate knowledge of.

What do I think of your original question? 
I question your motives, for posing the question you did, the way you did - and then springing this after the fact.  Your original post, your subsequent follow-up and what you do reveal do not add up. 

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/11/2010 8:52:28 AM   
agirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Carmeldelight

I asked this question because a Dom is claiming that the submissive teased him and that is why he has sex with her. Even though this submissive had told him she was not interested in having sex with him. This Dom forced him self on the submissive and is now telling her it was her fault because she teased him. As you know the police do not look so kindly on Dom/submission so he was able to get away with the crime.


If I *teased* my owner and he then decided to fuck me and I said * Nah, not really, I don't want to now* ...... he'd pretty much chuckle as he fucked me.

I could just as easily *spin* it as rape if I leave out almost every bit of information that matters.

*Did she say "No" sir?*
* Yes, she said "No"*
* Did you continue knowing she didn't want to?*
* Well, yes I did*
* Why did you do that sir?*
* She's a naughty girl who should be careful what she asks for*
* Oh really?. And those marks on her arse?*
* She asked for those too*
* Hmmmm (nodding)*
* She asked that you beat her did she? She actually said "Beat me"?*
* Yes, she did*
* At any time did she cry, say "no", plead for you to stop?*
* Yes, all of those*
* And did you stop?*
* No, I didn't*
* Why is that sir?*
* Because she's a naughty girl, who likes being beaten*
* Would you step this way sir please , placing your arms behind you back?*
Cut to snivveling girl on sofa with streaming mascara, hiding her streaming cunt and her malicious mind.


Context really IS all and what "he said,claimed or did/she said, claimed or did", means absolutely nothing without knowing practically every pertinant thing about the two of them and their relationship.

agirl



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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/11/2010 11:51:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		~FR~ With no part of the discussion having been read.

We both are perfectly capable of initiating sex. He determines if we will go forward, though he enjoys my wanting to join with him of my own accord, so it is usually encouraged and successful. He has never turned me away in this regard, but I know if he had need or want to do so, he would and I would abide by it. We enjoy being together in this way a great deal and expresses quite a range of complex emotions for us. We have found it to be primal at times, tender at other, and everything in between and beyond. We have sweet communication through many means. Sex is just one of them.

I have never felt that I pushed him, tricked him, or otherwise trapped him into having sex with me. It has been that way for me on occasion, but then again I like to be trapped like that. His will and desires are paramount and I would not feel secure in our dynamic if I could break him on such a point. I don't know what could be gained by provoking or manipulating my partner into sex. I wouldn't want to do that with anyone, and even less so with my dominant partner. I would take more liberties with a submissive partner, but still not to the point of having them trailing so far behind emotionally. That emotional distance would make the entire situation unpalatable to me. I want a partner who actually desires me, wants me, and is focused on us. Otherwise, it is just disappointing outcomes for everyone involved.

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RE: The question is “Can you’re submissive or slave... - 1/11/2010 12:14:15 PM   
agirl


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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

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ORIGINAL: agirl
Context really IS all and what "he said,claimed or did/she said, claimed or did", means absolutely nothing without knowing practically every pertinant thing about the two of them and their relationship.


My understanding is that there is no relationship.  She is a sub not his sub.



Mmm, yes.....but that's an assumption. It's not specified.

agirl

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