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solsticegirl -> need help (10/14/2009 6:25:38 PM)

i have been in a D/s relationship for most of my adult life. However, i have managed to screw it up badly. For a long time, i agreed to do things that i didn't feel comfortable doing. Then, of course, the discomfort would eventually become obvious to my Master, resulting in drama, and leaving Him with the belief that i am not honest or trustworthy. After i stopped doing that, i drew lines and made boundaries where i shouldn't, because i was so nervous in dealing with Him. Now, it's all a mess. He doesn't trust me and doesn't want to engage in kinky activities with me, and i want to move things forward and repair what i have done, but i am terrified of pushing too hard and being disrespectful. i'm also terrified to try and be rejected -- i have bad issues with rejection. What do i do to repair this? Where do i start?




DesFIP -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 6:31:33 PM)

Start with learning to communicate better. Why did you feel you had to agree to activities that were bad for you? Why couldn't you tell him that it wasn't a good thing for you to do? When you say he would recognize that you didn't want to do these things, what kind of drama was there? Why did he feel you were untrustworthy? Because you did these things anyway or because you did them while feeling badly about them? Did he want to know ahead of time how you felt about these activities or did he expect you to be happy about everything?

And why did he keep pushing you to do stuff when he knew you were unwilling to do those things? Why are you the only one taking any share of the blame?

Fix the communication. Start talking about the unspoken expectations. Discover if you really are compatible.




RedMagic1 -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 6:32:18 PM)

Back off the kink, learn how to communicate as one human being to another (counseling, maybe?), and once you trust each other as friends again, rebuild the kink.

No trust, no lust.




DarkSteven -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 6:33:26 PM)

It sounds like the fit between the two of you may not be good.

Okay, so you did things that you didn't like and he saw you weren't comfortable.  Why did that make him think that you weren't honest or trustworthy then?

The natural result was that it pushed the two of you apart.

I see you taking complete responsibility for what happened, and I feel he's at least as responsible as you.  It almost sounds like a power struggle, and that's not good.

I'd recommend a few weeks apart, to clear both of your heads, and see if you want to move together or away.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 6:36:57 PM)

Wow.  Oh wow.  Maybe you could get couples counselling or, if that's not possible, just you get counselling or take some classes about communication, self-esteem, and healthy boundaries.




DrkJourney -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 6:43:35 PM)

Your post is very vague, but this is my take on it:

It is very important for my slave to communicate with me and not just go along with whatever even though it makes him uncomfortable, because he thinks that is what I want.   What if I did something that he wasn't comfortable with and it triggered some trauma, or he held it in as long as he could then all of a sudden freaked out resulting in physical injury? (I've had this happen, I talked to him, gave him another chance, didn't work, had to cut him loose)

You have to communicate what is going on with you.  He probably says he doesn't think you are honest because you scared him...the "what ifs" must be driving him crazy.

good luck...hope you two can work it out




leadership527 -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 7:22:55 PM)

Like others, I agree that you start with some couples counciling. Clearly communication skills for the BOTH of you are in need of some improvement. Were this me and Carol, I would be putting a full stop to anything beyond relationship basics and attempting to learn how to be her friend again. I'd be perfectly willing to go slowly with that. A strong foundation is a wonderful thing and well worth as much time as it takes.

I hate to say it, but you and he need a serious, face to face talk -- like real human beings, not cartoon cutouts of master/slave.




mnottertail -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 7:25:58 PM)

start with a profile. This is not a one dimensional subject.

Finish.




Kirata -> RE: need help (10/14/2009 11:49:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: solsticegirl

For a long time, i agreed to do things that i didn't feel comfortable doing.... After i stopped doing that, i drew lines and made boundaries where i shouldn't....

What do i do to repair this? Where do i start?

I'm detecting a flip from one extreme to the other here.

I know you're not Gorean, but kajirae are not permitted to "draw lines". A Master who cares about his property will want to know her, her responsiveness, her discomforts. He will decide where the lines are, but he will adjust them based on his knowledge of the girl if he values his property. It's a simple concept, really. I don't use my Thunderbird to haul manure.

So I would say, either your Master/Dom doesn't know you very well, or he doesn't give a damn. If he doesn't give a damn, you have a problem. If it's just that he doesn't know you, which seems more likely given your fear of rejection, that's where you need to start.

In other words, talk to him. Tell him about yourself, your feelings, your fears, so he can understand you. If he rejects you as a result, well, you're better off finding out that he doesn't really like you as you are. I know it's no fun, but you don't have a relationship at all without honesty. And at this point, what have you got to lose?

K.








Acer49 -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 12:11:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: solsticegirl

i have been in a D/s relationship for most of my adult life. However, i have managed to screw it up badly. For a long time, i agreed to do things that i didn't feel comfortable doing. Then, of course, the discomfort would eventually become obvious to my Master, resulting in drama, and leaving Him with the belief that i am not honest or trustworthy. After i stopped doing that, i drew lines and made boundaries where i shouldn't, because i was so nervous in dealing with Him. Now, it's all a mess. He doesn't trust me and doesn't want to engage in kinky activities with me, and i want to move things forward and repair what i have done, but i am terrified of pushing too hard and being disrespectful. i'm also terrified to try and be rejected -- i have bad issues with rejection. What do i do to repair this? Where do i start?


You lied, he does not trust you, there is nothing to save, move on and remember to be honest next time




agirl -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 1:47:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: solsticegirl

i have been in a D/s relationship for most of my adult life. However, i have managed to screw it up badly. For a long time, i agreed to do things that i didn't feel comfortable doing. Then, of course, the discomfort would eventually become obvious to my Master, resulting in drama, and leaving Him with the belief that i am not honest or trustworthy. After i stopped doing that, i drew lines and made boundaries where i shouldn't, because i was so nervous in dealing with Him. Now, it's all a mess. He doesn't trust me and doesn't want to engage in kinky activities with me, and i want to move things forward and repair what i have done, but i am terrified of pushing too hard and being disrespectful. i'm also terrified to try and be rejected -- i have bad issues with rejection. What do i do to repair this? Where do i start?


I don't know what you can do, as YOU............but if it were me I'd sit down and write..initially. It can be difficult when you've got to this stage of messiness to get back to a place where both of you can keep your defenses down long enough to focus on the *whys* and not the *whats*.

If you sit and write, you can be uninterrupted in your thoughts and it might give enough distance to enable you to get your feelings down a bit more clearly, especially if your prone to *doing or saying* what you think you ought to, when faced with him.

It can often be a good springboard for the *face to face stuff*, which obviously needs to happen if you are ever going to get to a place where you trust each other.

He obviously needs to be able to rely on the fact that information he gets from you is correct. If you cover up, mask and hide how you feel, he's working with one hand behind his back and I can understand why that wouldn't be satisfactory for most people.

Wouldn't you dislike it, in reverse, if he *said* one thing , but felt another?

Anyhow.......... it's just a suggestion.

agirl






aldompdx -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 1:56:39 AM)

One must first be honest with themself. Then, gain the confidence to share who you really are. Your feelings are not wrong, they are YOUR'S. The issue is becoming more aware of what you are actually feeling, and WHY. As others have said above, counseling can help in this process.

Trust is more often misplaced than it is breached. Patience is a virtue.




agirl -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 3:10:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx
Trust is more often misplaced than it is breached.


I tend to agree.

agirl






sunshinemiss -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 8:00:44 AM)

Hello solstice girl,
The pull to submit and to want to please that it can push us s-types to do things that we wouldn't normally do.  We WANT to be pleasing, to make the M-type happy, to follow... even to our own peril.  What you have done is understandable - to me anyway.  That doesn't mean it's understandable to others.  Sometimes you can't unring the bell.

Regardless of whether things follow through with this fellow or not, your need to be able to stand up for yourself and to communicate well is not going to go away.  You see, you ARE communicating, you're just doing it poorly.  It all comes out in the wash.  If you want a good relationship, an honest one, a trusting one, then you need to create that in yourself.  The suggestion to start writing is a good one.  Daily journal about how all of this is effecting you, your fears, your turnons and turn offs, what happens to you when you try to stand up for yourself.

Who knows?  You might find that these limitations you have are not going to continue.  You may find that you will trust him (whoever HE is) to not harm you while still pushing you.

Good luck, and remember this is not a race,
sunshine




DesFIP -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 5:28:27 PM)

In addition to her being totally honest, he has to be willing to hear stuff he will not like. He has to accept that he is pushing her to do things that are putting barriers between them, things that are bad for her. He has to be willing to hear that she didn't enjoy it, that it didn't make her hot, that she didn't cum.

Unfortunately lots of people claim to want honesty but they only want it when it is a compliment, not a criticism.  We've yet to hear if he's capable of hearing the bad stuff without getting angry. Because if he isn't, then he doesn't want honesty and he's teaching her not to tell him stuff he doesn't want to hear. In my experience, more people don't want to hear the truth than do want it. I'm betting he's one of them.




lucylucy -> RE: need help (10/15/2009 10:27:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: solsticegirl

i'm also terrified to try and be rejected -- i have bad issues with rejection.


You’ve gotten fantastic advice here—I’ll just add one thing:

Without knowing the full context of your issues with rejection, I’d like to suggest that having “issues with rejection” is just an excuse for not taking responsibility for something. In my mind, being submissive is all about making yourself vulnerable and risking rejection. I see a lot of people using their “rejection issues” as an excuse to not make themselves vulnerable. Is there a chance you are doing that? And if so, what can you do to deal with your rejection issues so they stop keeping you from doing what must be done?




ranja -> RE: need help (10/21/2009 9:34:13 AM)

So you are going through a rough patch... if you get through you might be stronger and better together than you were ever before...

Be patient and be honest
Take time for yourself... do some soul searching, have a massage, go to the sauna... masturbate, de-stress
Have some nice time together, go out to the theatre or for a meal... have a missionary fuck, have a laugh... ask him to tickle you.

councelling would not have worked for me... my man would die before having someone meddle with His head (besides me)




porcelaine -> RE: need help (10/21/2009 11:27:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: solsticegirl

i have been in a D/s relationship for most of my adult life. However, i have managed to screw it up badly. For a long time, i agreed to do things that i didn't feel comfortable doing. Then, of course, the discomfort would eventually become obvious to my Master, resulting in drama, and leaving Him with the belief that i am not honest or trustworthy. After i stopped doing that, i drew lines and made boundaries where i shouldn't, because i was so nervous in dealing with Him. Now, it's all a mess. He doesn't trust me and doesn't want to engage in kinky activities with me, and i want to move things forward and repair what i have done, but i am terrified of pushing too hard and being disrespectful. i'm also terrified to try and be rejected -- i have bad issues with rejection. What do i do to repair this? Where do i start?


when we fear rejection we generally attempt to compensate by putting ourselves in situations that appear secure. we also avoid rocking the boat or behaving in a manner that would cause the person to have a change of heart as well. the problem with this is that we make compromises to ourselves, partner, and relationships in an effort to contain the fear that controls our actions. your willingness to agree to what he asked for was probably inspired by the fact he wanted you. if you showed resistance or expressed a desire not to engage in this way, he might change his mind and let you go. i also think there may have been good intentions involved and you were attempting to make an honest effort as well.

you've heard the term what's buried always resurfaces. that's what happened. all those feelings you pushed aside came bubbling to the surface once it was time to do what he'd asked. it is difficult to fake discomfort. while our words may say one thing, the body language will tell a different story and your master saw the discrepancy. which led him to question why it was there given the previous agreement. in his mind you said yes and he's at a loss why that has changed.

i see the lines and boundaries as your attempt to regain control. some part of you recognized the compromises were unhealthy and actually caused more harm than the thing you feared originally. your response is normal and typically what people do when they feel threatened and try to protect themselves from further harm. the boundaries are actually barriers in this vain. the problem of course is that this is a power exchange and you shut out the one you were supposed to be opening up to.

i have often felt the tower that we escape to can become a jail if we linger in its space too long. this is where the nervousness comes in. it was a breach on the safe environment you'd created for yourself. difficulties in communication will arise the longer you remain in this place. of course you understand where his lack of trust stems from. he's hurt and so are you and there's this issue sitting between you as well. now this is what i'm going to advise.

let it go. it happened. yesterday is gone. no matter how we try to go back we never can. all that you can do is start where you are begin to rebuild. i am of the belief that love has no memory. if this is the man you want and you have given him your heart, fight for it. view the discomfort, uncertainty, and fear as the obstacles you must surmount in order to have what you want - him. don't allow anything to separate you from the goal, and don't focus on what it will take to achieve it. you will become disheartened and depressed. maintaining a positive mind is paramount if you want to succeed. this means courting rejection and understanding he may not budge or may take time to do so. gird yourself and be prepared for some difficult moments. remembering while they occur, he's worth it.

no one ever promised us a rose garden. you see a hopeless situation and i see one that can allow growth and the cessation of the chain that held you captive. not his yoke, but the fear of being rejected. you have already shown him your worst and he's still there. taking time off from the kinky activities is okay. there are trust issues and wounded hearts to heal. focus on that right now because a healthier you and You makes a far stronger us. most of all, keep your eye on the prize. if he inspires this desire in you and you're willing to go through so much more to regain what you've supposedly lost. consider what you will have when it occurs and what you will have become in the process.

i would rather try and fail then never lift a finger. sometimes a second chance is really the beginning of tomorrow. i wish you luck.

porcelaine




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