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Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 9:18:14 PM   
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No matter what your political affiliation please take the time to read this. You may not believe it but if it does come to pass you can't say you weren't informed. Our country definitely is not perfect but is this the change you really want?

I emailed this gentleman personally to get the links he has provided. He is the author of three books and is currently teaching law courses via internet throughout colleges around the world.
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Michael Connelly is a Constitutional lawyer and has read the entire health care bill. He has some comments, not just about the bill, but also about the effects to our Constitution it would have. It's a much broader picture than just health care "reform."

This blog concentrates on my concerns as an attorney about the imminent and growing threats to our Constitution and our form of government. We
have reason to be very afraid of what is happening.

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE BILL

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: fhe Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the bill and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The bill does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal
immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government-run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing
affordable health care choices. Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and
Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the current Administration authority in a number of different areas
over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

The paragraph below is really frightening. This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of this administration of all of your personal health care information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct
violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have health care insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the "Health Choices Administrator"
appointed by President, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there, though. The 9th Amendment provides, "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The 10th Amendment states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this proposed bill, neither the
people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting
rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I were a member of Congress, I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating
that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript..html

And another to the Bill of Rights:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us, if the left wing Democrats have their way.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas

I asked him for a link to the health care package as it now stands. This was his answer:

Thank you for your comments. Here is a link that will allow you to access both the House and Senate versions of the bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/. The problem is that the Democrats from both houses are now engaged in secret meetings to combine the two bills, but they don't want anyone to know what they are doing. They intend to try and pass the final bill like they did with the Stimulus Package, by ramming it through before anyone really has a chance to read it.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 9:29:38 PM   
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No one cares. Everyone's mind is already made up, and even if it wasn't, there isn't a damn thing any of us could do to change the outcome - one way or the other.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 9:31:01 PM   
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You emailed him personally?

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 9:39:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

No one cares. Everyone's mind is already made up, and even if it wasn't, there isn't a damn thing any of us could do to change the outcome - one way or the other.


I only care to the point that i hate being lied too, and prefer to see sources cited instead of pretending they are hers.

This "email" is all over the web.

Dated 8/09

http://www.voicingouropinions.com/2009/09/truth-about-health-care-bills-michael-connelly/

http://www.masslive.com/forums/northampton/index.ssf?artid=47692

http://www.mykidsdeservebetter.com/conservatives_are_cool-article_feeds/notoriously_conservative/the-truth-about-the-health-care-bills-michael-connelly

I could go on, but, i dont think there is a need too. 

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 9:41:50 PM   
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I only care to the point that i hate being lied to


Actually, you aren't being lied to. You aren't even being talked to. This is a dog-whistle.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 9:57:29 PM   
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I honestly don't where to begin with all the inaccuracies in the "internet law professor's" statements.

I guess the easiest starting point is to note that there is no health care reform bill yet. 

There are several versions of it but no combined legislation that is ready for a vote.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 10:13:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

No one cares. Everyone's mind is already made up, and even if it wasn't, there isn't a damn thing any of us could do to change the outcome - one way or the other.


I only care to the point that i hate being lied too, and prefer to see sources cited instead of pretending they are hers.


I hardly see the point in even trying to have a discussion with her anymore. She doesn't ever seem to say anything herself - all I've ever seen her do is repeat big blocks of talking points from right-wing radio shows, or in this case copy and paste e-mails, and then ridicule us for not agreeing with the people she's quoting.

It's really bizarre. It's like we're talking to some sort of a bot. Someone on the radio says something that sounds good to her, and she repeats it to us, and that's her whole argument. I don't think I've ever  once seen her even make an attempt to actually explain any of the stuff she repeats to us - she just repeats it, and gets mad at us for pointing out that it's total bullshit. As though the fact that it's total bullshit is just some irrelevant detail, some minor technicality that we're falling back on because we're intellectually dishonest. I really mean it; this is one of the strangest episodes I've seen on this board in quite a while.


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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 10:20:20 PM   
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Yeah, i see what you mean.  I saw her reply to me on another thread and i honestly could not make heads or tails out of it beyond her telling me i need to get a dictionary.  lol... always said spelling wasnt my strong suit.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 10:30:59 PM   
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I hardly see the point in even trying to have a discussion with her anymore. She doesn't ever seem to say anything herself - all I've ever seen her do is repeat big blocks of talking points from right-wing radio shows, or in this case copy and paste e-mails, and then ridicule us for not agreeing with the people she's quoting.


Heh. You just lost.

The process has managed to throw out so many ECM "false signals", that you can no longer tell who to actually argue with, and who's just a parrot.

You're in an ass-kicking contest with a strange mutant beast with 100 legs and no ass.

Now what?

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 10:35:10 PM   
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Now what?

I ignore it for what it is, smile, and go about my evening.  how about you?

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 10:39:27 PM   
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True Panda, and the same with certain others who quote alot more than they type. But the issue at hand is afront of us. This is a serious concern of mine. Privacy is important, and when the government takes care of the elderly it is bad enough. It puts the power of life and death in their hands and that is no fucking joke. Now under this new scheme which is supposed to be so good for us, that power eventually will extend to every Man, Woman and child in our supposedly free country.

Read my post in the thread about insurance. Other than that, if you have any fucking idea of how this country is supposed to be, this is clearly concentration of too much power. Why the three branches of government in the first damn place ? to avoid the concentration of power.

Let me give you a recent example of what they will do. Remember atty/client priveledge ? I have no love for the type who ran KPMG, they are a fucking bloodsucker IMO, but the law is supposed to be the law. When the feds told KPMG that funding their employees' legal defense FOR DOING THINGS AS DIRECTED IN THEIR EMPLOY would be seen as non cooperation, they crossed a line with me. I told you already I have no love for these types, but the law should apply to everyone.

Now with atty/client priveledge gone (read about the case) now the are after the doctor/patient priveledge.

Notice that word, and realize that a priveldge is a right that has been taken away.

Stand over here with me and take a look at it from this vantage point, it is clear to see. Now the looneys aren't so looney are they ? Out of hundreds of thousands of conspiracy theories, and knowing human nature, don't you think maybe a couple of them might be right ?

Grasping for more power has always been a favorite activity of mankind, why do people think that this has all of the sudden changed ?

T

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 11:18:00 PM   
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Term, I understand what you're saying. As a rule, you and I have a pretty similar outlook on a lot of issues, and a lot of commonalities in our philosophical approach. But this is one where we really don't see entirely eye to eye.

The point you're making is important, and not one to be dismissed out of hand, but I just don't come to the same conclusion you do. The thing I keep going back to is that all these things that people who oppose health care reform keep warning us about for some reason just aren't problems in any of the other countries who already have government-run health care systems  - which is just about every other country on the planet at this point. Until somebody offers up a credible reason why all of this shit that doesn't go wrong in any of those countries is likely to go wrong here in our country, I'm really not going to be concerned about it. If you guys want me to believe there's a bogeyman under the bed, you're going to have to show him to me. Just telling me that he might be under there someday doesn't really mean much to me.

And is that picture really you? No offense, but Jesus; you look so... so... normal. From your posts, I always pictured you as some sort of hardcore, Soldier of Fortune, intimidating, survivalist-looking sort of guy. You're the guy next door! What a great picture that is!


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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 11:19:31 PM   
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Now what?

I ignore it for what it is, smile, and go about my evening.  how about you?


I sit and wonder if I could have done more, sooner.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/18/2009 11:30:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Now what?

I ignore it for what it is, smile, and go about my evening.  how about you?


I sit and wonder if I could have done more, sooner.


And I just renew my googling of immigration policies for New Zealand and Ecuador with renewed enthusiasm. I've got to get out of this madhouse before I become insane also.


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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/19/2009 12:37:08 AM   
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The problem is they want to give us the worst of both worlds. I will admit that in many cases health care is simply too costly to pay for out of pocket. But what made it that way ? Market forces did not work because they were interfered with.

Now we have the example of other countries. Well these clowns are not going to model it after a system that already works. That's much too good for us. First of all they will be think about where their cut is coming from. Then they will think about whether it will look good so they can win the next election. Then they will think about Wednesday when they golf. Then they will think about it being due time for the Rolls to get an oil change. Then they will think about Marilym Monroe and JFK. Then they will think about their kids, needing that bail money and hush money yet again. Then they will again think about getting their fingers into the pie to get their cut.

And then for five minutes they will think of how good it will be for the government to get all this info on it's property, you and I. Then they will think about what we want for ten seconds, and revert to not what is good for us, but how we percieve what they do. And then they will go to bed.

I know greed very very intimately my friend, so I know how they are. I can almost guess their next move. I gave up though, it's not worth my time. It's long past time to make a long story short. I have two nooses, each with thirteen loops. So hang two for X minutes every day until the cancer in our society is cured. Now just how long does that work out to ? Lessee, 537 times an average of, what's say a five minute hanging ? Can we get them strung up that fast ? Whaddya think ?

Every time they do anything they fuck up. This is mathematically impossible if due to incompetence, so the only logical explanation is that they intend to fuck up.

If I had people like that working for me their duties would be very limited. Wait, wasn't that the point of the Constitution ?

T

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/19/2009 6:14:07 AM   
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Well there was five minutes of my life completely wasted
oh yeah thats compelling stuff
nothing but a link to the constitution and the bill of rights



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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/19/2009 6:25:10 AM   
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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/19/2009 7:30:29 AM   
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I said this on another thread but I'll say it again.  There is a reason that the insurance industry is paying 1.4 MILLION dollars every day to fight this and I'll bet dollars to donuts that it isnt cause they care about little ole Me or you.

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/19/2009 8:22:38 AM   
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after just hearing about a 4 mo old baby being denied coverage for being overweight how could anyone say an insurance company doesn't stand between a patient and the treatment (or Dr.)?

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RE: Health Care Reform and Your (Loss of) Rights - 10/19/2009 8:24:26 AM   
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The overweight baby should get another job in order to get a different health insurer  .

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