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Role Reversal/Crossdressing becomming common in... - 10/19/2009 2:19:29 PM   
Eivarden


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This was an interesting read for me, I'm sure some male subs might find it interesting as well.
(For anyone else, you might just wanna ignore it, and carry on)

from http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/style/19iht-fslim.1.8387017.html?_r=2

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In Japan, it's the men who want to be skinny and cute

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TOKYO — There was a time when slimness was the absolute prerequisite for urban Japanese women, when designers like Shinichiro Arakawa and Yohji Yamamoto professed a flat refusal to make clothes for women who weren't fragile and thin, whose chests and hips were barely discernable through the fabric.

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That aesthetic went out when the health and exercise boom came in about seven years ago - the new Japanese woman, according to the fashion critic Ikuko Hirayama, is: "strong, robust, bursting with energy. She takes care of her body but is not obsessed with being thin. She's proud of her biceps and also proud of her sexuality." Accordingly, the most popular relaxation sport for single working women nowadays is "boxercising," or the combination of boxing moves plus aerobics, which is said to increase adrenaline flow by 80 percent and is an ideal way to blow off aggression and stress.

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In stark contrast, it's the men who want to be slender, vulnerable and protected. Young males between the ages of 18 and 30 make up the slimmest segment of the population and the ideal fashion weight as decreed by the apparel industry is 57 kilograms, or about 125 pounds, for a height of 175 centimeters, or 5 feet 8 inches. Many men try to adhere to that figure and some claim they want to be even skinnier.

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Twenty-five-year-old Junichi Shirakawa, who works at the denim boutique 45 RPM, said that his goal is to get his weight down from 57 to 55 kilograms, although his height is 182 centimeters. "Being really skinny is essential, not just for fashion and work purposes but also because girls seem to go for thin guys," he said.

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Both Shirakawa and his girlfriend like the fact that she weighs more than he does, and is the leader of the couple. "She's a lot stronger than I am, can lift heavy things and go drinking until dawn. I admire that about her, and feel protected when I'm around her," he said. Older than he by five years, it was Shirakawa's girlfriend who made the approach, started the dating process and decided what course their relationship would take.

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"Frankly, I think women should be in the driver's seat. Society and relationships work better that way," he said. Shirakawa likes to wear his girlfriend's clothes and often shows up for work wearing her blouse and jeans, to the general approval of his co-workers.Hirayama said: "For young men, wearing women's clothes has almost become a status symbol - a confirmation of being slim and pretty and, therefore, desirable. Young women, on the other hand, are less interested now in looking beautiful for the benefit of young men. They dress up for themselves, for their own satisfaction."

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This seeming reversal of traditional gender roles has spawned such interesting fashion items as the "unsexy miniskirt," a term coined by the TV commentator Ryuichi Fujita. All the rage this autumn is the short, short skirt combined with boots or ballet shoes - the salient feature of this look is that it shows a lot but says nothing and is consequently "apolitical and not sexy at all," according to Fujita. Indeed, it seems that Japanese women have reclaimed sexuality as their very own and now dress to enhance their self-esteem rather than to please the male gaze, which was what a big part of street fashion had been about. Now that the male gaze is focused primarily on the men themselves, the equation of short skirts and wolf whistles just doesn't work anymore.

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As Hirayama said, "The term kawaii [cute] used to be something that described women, or female attributes. Now women are more likely to use that to talk about men and what they're wearing. As a result, more young men aspire to be cute."

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Indeed, young men claim to want to be pursued and then nurtured - they often hate to make the first move and often shy away from conflict. "I never fight with my girlfriend because I know I'll lose," is how Shirakawa put it. "It's just a lot more comfortable for me if I go along with everything she says."

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That mind-set is reflected in men's fashion and fashion design. The trend now is for men to look like they want to be fed and/or devoured by women. One of the pioneering brands for that is Lad Musician, headed by the designer Yuichi Kuroda. Lad Musician burst onto the Tokyo fashion scene in 1995 in a glam-rock/low-slung-guitar kind of way, espousing an emaciated, tragic sexiness enhanced by clinging silhouetted tops and slim, revealing pants with no pockets and very little breathing space. Lad Musician aesthetics has grown thanks to the general weight loss among young men, and the silhouettes (especially for long-sleeved T-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters) are tighter than ever before. Young men will combine these tops with baggy jeans that are suspended 8 centimeters below the navel on terrifically flat stomachs, subconsciously channeling, perhaps, the Kate Moss look of the late 1990s. Kuroda's designs are famed for being extremely selective, shunning those who weigh more than 63 kilograms or are overly muscular.

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Other brands are following suit, so that men's sizes are steadily diminishing while women's clothing sizes are getting distinctly roomier. To Nigo, who directs A Bathing Ape, Tokyo's most successful and visible street brand, this makes sense: men's designer clothes should target the thin and seemingly unfit. "Designer clothes look best on men whose bodies don't do the talking, that are silent, slim, practically invisible," said Nigo, a waif-like figure with slender, girlish wrists. "Because the clothes should do all the talking, right?

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"That's why men pay money for clothes, so they won't have to say anything. Otherwise, why bother?"


Shortly after it, in another site where I found this, was explaining how women go to bars where the waiters were guys who dressed "cute" and the more "manly" men would never get customers.

Along with the decline in women clothes for years, until the companies started trying to make more for guys.

Then the most recent years, women have been buying more "girly" clothes, just to show off to other women. (Which I argue all the time how women would continue to dress the way they do, even if they wern't trying to impress potential partners.)

I've always noticed how much more popular it was for guys to look like girls in japan, and have what America would call "gay".

The more American view of what is MANLY and good looking was popular before, and even more so, after American movies started taking foot in japan, but later the "MANLY" veiw America gives off is now considered too brutish~, too rude, and just generally too rough.

Funny how things turn around so easily.

I love it when you get those dommes that claim how their gender prevents role reversal.
But clearly we see it can work regardless of someones gender.

So my question to you subs out there, who is joining me in the idea of living in Japan? >.>;

(Not much to be taken too seriously here, but still love to pass on this little article to those who do find it interesting, as I've always loved role reversal myself.)

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RE: Role Reversal/Crossdressing becomming common in... - 10/19/2009 3:02:12 PM   
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No offense but I have never seen a "big" japanese male..
I don't like cute. The masculinity is becoming extinct.


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RE: Role Reversal/Crossdressing becomming common in... - 10/19/2009 3:08:33 PM   
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Big Japanese males? Sumo wrestlers.

But I would argue that this is driven by Japanese women's desire to have power over their own lives, something forbidden them until now. In fact it is still common for a Japanese woman to refuse a promotion because being promoted makes it assumed that they are older, too old for marriage.

The men are doing what male animals always do, make a show so that potential partners choose them.
And it is common among many bird species for the females to be bigger so that they are able to protect the nest. While the lighter male can thus fly longer searching for food.

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RE: Role Reversal/Crossdressing becomming common in... - 10/19/2009 7:27:54 PM   
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"So my question to you subs out there, who is joining me in the idea of living in Japan? >.>; "

Been there, done that.

Going back.

The men already are tiny and skinny there. (Everything is tiny there.) They're just capitalizing on what they've got. 

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RE: Role Reversal/Crossdressing becomming common in... - 10/20/2009 7:20:35 AM   
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Yea...I have a 12 year old Japanese school girl trapped inside me, so the answer would be a resounding YES.  

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RE: Role Reversal/Crossdressing becomming common in... - 10/20/2009 12:28:43 PM   
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OttersSwim, All I can say is... you're awesome :P

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