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MasterFireMaam -> Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:01:56 PM)
Ok, this is an opinion question. What do you think are the similarities and the differences in the terms Master, Guide and Leader? Fire

truesub4u -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:10:20 PM)
First off... waves to another Tarheel Second... Master.... fully understands one self and controls it. Knowd they're not perfect and allows it to be known. Guide....... someone who can also teach Leader... one that likes to be seen and wants all to know they're not perfect but wants you to find it out for yourself. But then again.. i'm strung out on too much caffine now.. should of posted this earlier when brain was only half awake... lol

Slipstreme -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:19:42 PM)
For me I don't care much for the terms Master and Guide being used to mean the same thing. They aren't. Mentor, and Guide perhaps. I have a Mentor. I do not, nor do I want to, have a Master, unless the person in question is a martial arts instructor. Master: someone who is in control of another's life. They may not be perfect, and may not make a good Master, but are a Master anyway. It is preferred these people are in control of themselves first, which is why I am not a Master. I need to fix the problems in my life before I take the responsibility of another's. Guide/Mentor: someone who can teach, enjoys teaching and seeing his/her students succeed. A Master can also be a Mentor, and many are, especially in regards to their own submissives. However someone learning the art of safe dungeon play under a Mentor for the purpose of being a safe sadist (hey sounds like me) doesn't really have a Master per se as there is no submission involved on the part of the student. Leader: someone with authority over a group of people. Most of these in politics are also a pain in the ass.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:20:24 PM)
Well, the same person can be 0-3 of them. For my rough definitions: A master, in terms of a relationship, is someone who has ultimate authority over the other person in the relationship. A guide is someone who offers advice, gives perspective and helps along a certain path. A leader is someone who sets the trail, delegates to others and manages the pace. They can easily be combined and used together, but not necessarily so. Some masters make horrible guides and some leaders make horrible masters and some people are none of the above.

JohnWarren -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:21:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam Ok, this is an opinion question. What do you think are the similarities and the differences in the terms Master, Guide and Leader? Fire Similarity = they have letters Differences = the letters are different Quite seriously, we do spend an inordinate amount of time talking about labels and their definitions when we would be better off talking about what people do rather than trying to shoehorn them into categories that might or might not be coterminous or coextensive.

truesub4u -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:29:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam Ok, this is an opinion question. What do you think are the similarities and the differences in the terms Master, Guide and Leader? Fire Similarity = they have letters Differences = the letters are different Quite seriously, we do spend an inordinate amount of time talking about labels and their definitions when we would be better off talking about what people do rather than trying to shoehorn them into categories that might or might not be coterminous or coextensive. Point taken Mr Warren... bowing out gracefully..

PlayfulOne -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:38:52 PM)
shrugs, labels, names. boxes, in the end what difference does it make? We are all just who and what we are looking for pieces that connect and compliment. and True, Lord girl we are going to have to talk about this Masters aren't perfect thing you've got going on, :) As the old wise Mac Davis once said, Oh Lord its hard to be humble, when your perfect in every way I can't wait to look in the mirror, cause I get better looking each day To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man Oh Lord its hard to be humble, but I'm doing the best that I can And yes, "grins" my mood today excatly matches my nick. May have something to do with the fact that the little one and I spent almost 2 days doing nothing but the bumpity bump and playing with the toy chest. K aka "K Daddy"

IronBear -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:45:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slipstreme For me I don't care much for the terms Master and Guide being used to mean the same thing. They aren't. Mentor, and Guide perhaps. I have a Mentor. I do not, nor do I want to, have a Master, unless the person in question is a martial arts instructor. Master: someone who is in control of another's life. They may not be perfect, and may not make a good Master, but are a Master anyway. It is preferred these people are in control of themselves first, which is why I am not a Master. I need to fix the problems in my life before I take the responsibility of another's. Guide/Mentor: someone who can teach, enjoys teaching and seeing his/her students succeed. A Master can also be a Mentor, and many are, especially in regards to their own submissives. However someone learning the art of safe dungeon play under a Mentor for the purpose of being a safe sadist (hey sounds like me) doesn't really have a Master per se as there is no submission involved on the part of the student. Leader: someone with authority over a group of people. Most of these in politics are also a pain in the ass. I really fail to understand your problem in using Master and Guide. I can only guess that you don't really have an understanding of it. Still each to his/her own and I respect your views.. Ok: Leader, leads others by example. Byhis/her actions shall he/she be known within a community Guide/Mentor helps some one achieve a preset goal and is able to guide the person when they need some direction. In other words the Guide/mentor is as much a Coach as anything else (Ask any professional Counsellor and they will tell you that this is 75% of their work with clients). Master, Not only owns a slave but is responsible for her training, welfare disclipline and safety. He is also her coach/guide/mentor. In many cases he is and should be a leader for her and others includig those new to the lifestyle or in the local community. I see all these as not just lables but areas of Duty and Responsibility... Slipstreme, away from the Lifestyle, and in a Lodge, those duties and rersponsibilities are similar too. The only differencs are that no one os owned and there is a Master of Masters (Grand Master) of the Lodge.. he is where the buck stops. he shouldere the full weight of the responsibility forthe entire membership and their actions.. Not an easy job and not one to be taken lightly of this I can assure you from personal knowledge.

slavejali -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:47:38 PM)
quote: As the old wise Mac Davis once said, Oh Lord its hard to be humble, when your perfet in every way I can't wait to look in the mirror, cause I get better looking each day To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man Oh Lord its hard to be humble, but I'm doing the best that I can Hehe, thats a good song. I think defining what words mean to us is important as it allows us to communicate more effectively..and heck..dont we need that? grin Master: To me, could mean three things 1. Someone who has knowledge of self 2. Someone who has control over another 3. Someone who is both. Guide: Someone or something that shows you something eg. the tv guide, a tour guide. Leader: Someone who is in charge.

amayos -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 12:53:28 PM)
They are, ideally, all one.

truesub4u -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 1:10:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne shrugs, labels, names. boxes, in the end what difference does it make? We are all just who and what we are looking for pieces that connect and compliment. and True, Lord girl we are going to have to talk about this Masters aren't perfect thing you've got going on, :) As the old wise Mac Davis once said, Oh Lord its hard to be humble, when your perfect in every way I can't wait to look in the mirror, cause I get better looking each day To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man Oh Lord its hard to be humble, but I'm doing the best that I can And yes, "grins" my mood today excatly matches my nick. May have something to do with the fact that the little one and I spent almost 2 days doing nothing but the bumpity bump and playing with the toy chest. K aka "K Daddy" hehehehehe.... yes Sir... but I don't know what I said?... lol Oh yeah... I forgot to add... I like that song... but still think his best was Watching Scotty Grow.... gentle smile

ownedgirlie -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 2:09:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos They are, ideally, all one. In the context of D/s, yes that would be ideal. Not always the case in other areas of life. i value leadership and guidance in a boss, for example, but might resent his...um...masterfulness.

Slipstreme -> RE: Master, Guide and Leader (3/6/2006 2:21:31 PM)
quote: I really fail to understand your problem in using Master and Guide. I can only guess that you don't really have an understanding of it. Simply in wiitwd, I do not seek a Master, or any ownership of any kind. I do seek a Mentor, or Guide. However, I could never Mentor under anyone who would also insist I refer to them as my Master, for I do not seek to be controlled by anyone other than myself. I did not say they are never one and the same, just that they don't have to be. I do however understand, that in the Lodge example, there is the difference of semantics, in someone's position. In that case, yes I would use the term Master, as I would in martial arts, if the title used is not Sensei. I should have mentioned in the above, it referred to the BDSM term "Master" only.

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