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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 9:58:18 AM   
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The reality is that we have created these super bugs by our fanaticism with all things anti bacterial and running off to the doctor for every little thing, demanding antibiotics to treat things that they never should have been prescribed for.

While I'm in full agreement with your overall sentiment (that antibiotics are overused) the reality is that we can't blame that excess for every nasty disease. In particular, H1N1 is a strain of influenza and, like all flu, is caused by a virus. Antibiotics only affect bacteria, not viruses. No amount of antibacterial overuse will impact viral virulence. This, like other flu strains, is a natural mutation. Nature itself can be dangerous… even without human contributions to the process.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 1:48:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		H1N1 is no different than the regular influenzas in how it effects people. What makes it bad is it's much more catchy so more people will be effected. Each person can help themselves avoid infection by knowing how diseases are spread and avoid risky behavior. H1N1 is spread by touch not by air. Most people get sick through their eyes first then nose, mouth and ears. Just don't touch your face when your out or before washing your hands well when you come home. You reduce the risks of catching H1N1 and many other diseases this way. It's also a good idea to wash your hands now and again as you go about your daily routien. That just cuts down on all the germies being passed around.

The H1N1 vaccine is the same base as the regular fluzone vaccine they give every year. The thing that causes us to resist the flu in all flu shots is, in injected form, killed virus of the years predicted worst strains. In the inhaled immunization it's a live altered virus. Putting both in the body causes us to make antibodies to the virus we were immunized against.

I personally don't take thses shots because I am not at risk for any flu so I figure I am at greater risk from a side effect or reaction than the actual virus. Each person needs to decide if they are at great enough risk to chance one of the rare reactions or side effects of the immunization.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 2:01:44 PM   
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http://dprogram.net/2009/10/20/europeans-reject-swine-httpdprogram-wordpress-comwp-adminpost-new-phpflu-vaccine/

Looks like are good friends in "old Europe"  don't want the vaccine. 

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Across the border in Denmark, public officials and health care workers chosen as primary recipients of the vaccine are declining it, saying that the virus is too mild to warrant taking the shot.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 2:04:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Well PA, you can always run around kissing every sick person you can find instead!

The reality is that we have created these super bugs by our fanaticism with all things anti bacterial and running off to the doctor for every little thing, demanding antibiotics to treat things that they never should have been prescribed for.



LaT, here you are mistaken. The influenza epidemic of 1918 was before the discovery of penicillin. And that's the fear with a flu virus, that it can mutate so quickly that we get another such epidemic.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 2:17:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Early in Sept. a family my daughter babysits for, got the H1N1. I had to watch all the kids one day, none had fevers and all seemed fine. Rough housing and the whole bit. Within two days I was sick and calling my daughter. She told me the girl got sick later that night and her family was dx'd with H1N1. This will bring in some serious converstaion with my daughter! Anyone from anywhere who is around sick people simply cannot be near me!

I got it, it took me out of remission and I thought it was going to be okay as I felt better from the actual flu and my first time out and about... three of us who had already gone through it, got hit again. It seems it came back at us. Only with me... they are begging me to go to the doctor. They have never seen anyone cough like this, they know my medical risks and they cannot believe how sick I am. The first time around I could handle it pretty much, not the worst flu I ever had... hell, try the Hong Kong flu! But this time... I am so sick I am in bed most the time and don't have the energy to do anything. In fact, a few post, a few emails and I am going to pass out again.

If you have any illness, vulnerability or have lots of kids around who could get it from you or pass it around... get the nasal protection which does less damage in any way it could do damage from what the neurologist I saw on tv said... and I am saying to get it when I don't believe in getting them most years.

This stuff can be bad and more than a couple times I wondered just how bad it would get me. When you hear your chest rattling... wonder if it is that death rattle you've heard about, it makes you stop and think.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 2:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't doubt that people are getting sick.

Take good care of yourself.    We hope you get better fast.   Eggs and milk helped me-  vit d c and sunlight is said to be good.

I had whatever bug was around and it sucked-  but in a few days I was back to be knucklehead ornery self.  :-)

I don't wish illness on anyone.

If I had to guess I would say this flu enters thru the nose.  I first noticed my nose area.  Then I think that being my lungs did not expunge the germ- that it then shut down my sneaze reflex.    I noted on youtube people who do their own vids there was a time where red noses were evident.

The link I posted above to the DR Null testimony before the panel is worth a peak.


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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 3:09:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just for a giggle - my ex is a policeman. He went to a police conference - and caught the swine flu!!!!

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 4:02:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		So we had a mandatory meeting at work today on h1n1 with a dr from the state health dept.

She told us that this flu is still the flu, just a different strain and the best precaution against it is to wash your hands, use antibacterial gel, keep our desks and counters clean, cover the face when coughing and if we feel sick and have a fever that will not go away without taking tylenol then we are to stay home from work and she advised us not to go into the hospital or clinics or dr's offices. They're already overwhelmed and there's nothing they can do for you anyway except to tell you to stay home, get bedrest and keep hydrated just like any other flu.

And according to her the only people here being offered the vaccine are those under 64 yrs of age who have other illnesses and young children.

I'm not really all too concerned since I'm healthy. If for some reason I do happen to get any strain of flu I'll just stay home, sleep and drink fluids.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/20/2009 6:01:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		You could dilute some rubbing alcohol - in a tiny mist spray bottle.   Use it to spray your fingers- clean your glasses or anything that might have germs on it.    

I often use it to clean glasses- some eye store gave out samplers- but I read the ingredients and make my own now.  I can spray my fingers scooth them around the whole hand then gets it.

Overuse can lead to drying - but I think it has some effect when used at key times.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 10:46:41 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhQjxL1P5iI   NYS Commissioner Drains wife works for Goldman Sachs, brokered the vaccine deal, see his disclosure at 6.22   as to conflict of interest.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 11:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		My immune system does not function properly and these past nigh twenty years I have bought a vaccination each year and profited from it.

However, I distrust the government and all this nonsense poohaa about this virus; the panic is deliberately pushed. Ordinary, healthy people ought to survive any influenza virus. Yes, pregnant women will run an increased risk. So do not eat high sugar foods, like fruits. And avoid public transportation. Let the husband do the shopping.

This year I will avoid the vaccination and probably the next years also. And if it becomes compulsory, I will start to kill physicians and government officials and torch their residences.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 11:43:50 AM   
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The influenza epidemic of 1918 was before the discovery of penicillin. And that's the fear with a flu virus, that it can mutate so quickly that we get another such epidemic.

The influenza epidemic of 1918 was the consequence of World War I. The war caused lots of stress and that made people susceptible.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 11:48:11 AM   
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it isn't that dangerous for people unless they have underlying diseases or are pregnant.


It's also quite dangerous for younger people (college age and younger), as they have no related immunity at all (the over 50 crowd has partial immunity). Several of the deaths have been previously healthy young people with no other health issues.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 11:52:06 AM   
Rule


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Status: offline 		Shit happens. People die every year from the flue and many more die because they are hit by traffic. I am with the Goreans: suck it up and have a paga.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 12:00:39 PM   
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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 12:01:48 PM   
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it isn't that dangerous for people unless they have underlying diseases or are pregnant.


It's also quite dangerous for younger people (college age and younger), as they have no related immunity at all (the over 50 crowd has partial immunity). Several of the deaths have been previously healthy young people with no other health issues.


Right now, about 8% of the deaths in the US have been children. I'm not sure how that relates to a typical flu season, but I do know that one thing that's peculiar about the swine flu is that for some as-yet-unknown reason, school-age children are dying at a much higher rate than would normally be expected. Typically, around 50% of the children who die of the flu are 4 years of age or younger, but with H1N1, that number's less than 20%. The number of school-age children who are dying may be as much as double the usual percentage.

That's odd, and I can't help wondering if it just means that the disease is much more easily spread among children who are in school.  If that's the case, I would expect that the death toll among younger children will become much higher as the strain becomes more widespread.

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RE: Pregnant women and H1N1 - 10/24/2009 12:15:52 PM   
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The influenza epidemic of 1918 was before the discovery of penicillin. And that's the fear with a flu virus, that it can mutate so quickly that we get another such epidemic.

The influenza epidemic of 1918 was the consequence of World War I. The war caused lots of stress and that made people susceptible.



Although nobody had any way of knowing it at the time, the United States shipping infected troops over to Europe didn't help. The pandemic began in March at an Army base in Kansas, and spread from there.

And, as you say, once the second wave of the pandemic hit in August of 1918, the conditions under which the troops were living are suspected as a major factor in the mutation of the virus to a far deadlier form. Short version is, in normal conditions, people who are really sick stay home, so the more lethal variants of the virus tend to self-isolate. People who are mildly or moderately ill go on about their business and spread their flu, which favors the milder forms of the virus becoming the dominant strain. But in combat, soldiers who are mildly ill are the ones who stay with their units and don't spread very far, whereas the severely ill were the ones who were loaded onto trains and transported to hospitals and rest areas. Which made it more likely that the severe mutations of the virus were the ones which spread and become the dominant genotype.


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