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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/22/2009 2:34:41 PM

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There's a bit of evidence for that, though it's more likely suggestion than anything else.

There is no scientific evidence for it.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/23/2009 1:18:38 PM

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The facts and theorems speculated by scientists are always under constant scrutiny, subjective to change, and most likely wrong.

Phrenology was believed to be a 'true' science...

Go figure.
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I am going to say that when I have these things... visions, whatever.....

They are not forced. There is no alarm in my head that screams "WARN ING.... INCOMING PROPHECY" or whatever so it is difficult to pinpoint something...

Forbid me ever winning the lottery with this... I am not sure it works that way.

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I'll go with my subconscious being a decent calculator of possibilities and probabilities. So yes it is in my head, and in yours, and in the Kosmos.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/23/2009 5:45:16 PM

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The facts and theorems speculated by scientists are always under constant scrutiny, subjective to change, and most likely wrong.

Phrenology was believed to be a 'true' science...

Go figure.
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Phrenology was never accepted as true science by the mainstream, so there is nothing to figure. However, even phrenology had less basis for criticism than the lunar cycle, which has been studied thousands if not tens of thousands of times and has shown no statistically credible correlation with anything but the tides. Gravity is a bitch.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/23/2009 8:25:11 PM

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The facts and theorems speculated by scientists are always under constant scrutiny, subjective to change, and most likely wrong.

Phrenology was believed to be a 'true' science...

Go figure.
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Phrenology was never accepted as true science by the mainstream, so there is nothing to figure. However, even phrenology had less basis for criticism than the lunar cycle, which has been studied thousands if not tens of thousands of times and has shown no statistically credible correlation with anything but the tides. Gravity is a bitch.

In traditional contradictory fashions I will pose my own speculation:

Let us say that 70% of our body weight is water.
Let us say that the average weight of a human being is 65 kilograms.
Let us say that there is 6 billion people living on the planet currently.

seventy percent of our body is somewhat affected by just the moon..... and its gravity. Not including light.... or the actual tides of oceans which actually can affect us physically (and I would imagine on other levels as well).

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So if science is not credible and we taken into account that it is subject to change does that not make your point moot? I'm waiting for phrenology to come back damnit!!!

We have been with our skin since humans have become aware of ourselves.

Yet some Robert Hooke comes around and puts together a tube, objective lens, and other lenses of meniscus shapes and PEERS INTO THE SKIN. He sees cells.

A new vision and an extension of senses.

Something that was not thought to be there, indeed was.

The same goes for Atoms (greek: NOT CUT) and we have cut them....

oh atoms are made of these, and then these, and then these.... you can stop now it is turtles all the way down.

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I am not saying that you are right or wrong. Even after all of this science we have no clue. After all of this esoteric knowledge has been injected into the brain, still....

We have no clue.

Thoughts.... affected by gravity?
I mean, the brain is affected by gravity.
Light is affected by gravity.
Our senses are affected by gravity.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 12:59:29 AM

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others may say that they (the visions, senses, and or prophecies) are placed there by a higher force.

Whatever you believe or do not believe....

do you have them? Do you tell others or keep it inside?

yes i do, although admittedly it was more frequent years ago when i was very spiritually active and astute. however, being in certain places was very uncomfortable and the overload of energy would make me ill. it wasn't uncommon for me to walk in somewhere and say i need to leave. now i've had an interesting path and lots of experiences. some people are more sensitive to these things do to awareness, gifts, or whatever you want to call them. i do find when you seek to develop the skills you draw more of the same to yourself. both positive and negative. especially if you're a good energy receptacle and also dispense it well but that's another subject.

i'm aware of my gifts. sometimes i just don't want to know. if i have a strong sense about something i will say it but i usually only share that with one person. others think you're spazzing out. but i've been spot on when i've felt this way. though i don't read into it. i believe some experience an awakening of sorts. some of it happened spontaneously, or one might say it was an ecstatic state since i was very involved with honing my skills and extremely spiritual back then. it was a challenging time and i don't think i'd want to relive that again. although i understand why it occurred, it simply exposed me to things i'd rather not repeat.

i think my approach is more balanced. i was also one who read tarot and i stopped because i believe there's a beauty found in not knowing. i don't think i'm supposed to be able to anticipate everything and feel think doing so makes one very skeptical and a tad bit neurotic. perhaps i'll pick them up again, i don't know. but it don't need that anyway, it is merely a tool to see that some use. i feel when it is necessary for me to be made aware of an event it occurs.

knowledge has its purpose but with knowledge comes responsibility. i felt along the way that many abused what they learned for selfish purposes. power without integrity is dangerous and i couldn't keep company with people that behaved in that manner. this is the downside to information becoming available and many tapping into other "practices." i prefer to do the opposite and bend like the river. it is not necessary to apply intentional force to everything.

i have one vision that i recall clearly. i would say if i had to be unbiased that my life seems to be taking me in that direction. whether it unfolds as shown remains to be seen. but that's a mystery i'm comfortable with going unsolved.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 1:45:15 AM

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hello
i am one who has experience . many things that i could not explain as a child but now as an adult i know what it is now. they say i have a gifted but i see it as a curse almost. there is a saying that a child who is born with a veil over their face can and will for tell the future . i have seen things that scare me then my mother who was from the south told me not to be frighten of the dead but be aware of the living they will harm you. i find to be true but if you play with evil it will visit as sure as i seen, now that said i laugh when i see people hunting for ghost and trying to connect them. for what? leave them be if they want to see you they will come on the own , my twin and i do not sleep with the lights off, ever in our lives we had things happen we can not explain, see what we did not want. and still we each have someone coming as we sleep into the bed with us . as twins we have a 6th sense so strong it is ok now i understand , but before i did not like to have thing happen . i saw the face of a serial killer as they talk of him i told my friend and twin what he looked like , i did not call i thought they would laugh, they caught him three days later and my twin was frighten i had him as i saw him. i stopped watch AMW i could not handle the strong sense of sheer terror . made myself lose my ability to see . but it comes back so if no one believe me it is ok but trust me there is another side to life ! some people go through life never seeing hearing anything, but i and my twin have gone through seeing and hearing everything. if i were one person i would think i lost my mind but two of us and not always togther this happen . i stopped shaking hands with others i sense things . some good some are just too much

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 12:37:57 PM

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Anyone else hearing the soundtrack of "The Twilight Zone "as they read this thread?

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 12:44:25 PM

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pyroaquatic, i believe in God. i also talk to God OFTEN via prayer. God has spoken to me through His Word, and through others. i marvel in it, and appreciate very much that God WANTS to "talk" to me. This is just my personal experience, i can"t speak for anyone else.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 1:03:38 PM

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Anyone else hearing the soundtrack of "The Twilight Zone "as they read this thread?

lol...what do you think of the claims here?...I can guess.

I saw a segment on American Science Frontiers where people and fighter pilots were learning to control hardware with simply thought. They were succeeding even though the mechanics were not fully understood. The people themselves could not describe how they were making the cursor move or the rocket arm.

Now if brain waves can be made to operate real world devices then why is it such a stretch to believe some people can read the thoughts of others thereby anticipating actions?

And leading from this possibility is reading thoughts over great distances. This has also been experimented with and some greater than average results have been observed.

We have so much yet to learn about our minds and animals around us that making fun of possibilities like this is short sighted.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 1:49:08 PM

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Sorry I came off as"short sighted"....I was simply shooting for funny.
Oh well....guess I missed.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 2:35:52 PM

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Sorry I came off as"short sighted"....I was simply shooting for funny.
Oh well....guess I missed.

Not to worry I forgive you...

now if I could only get that tune out of my head.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/24/2009 11:00:38 PM

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No.
I'm 58 and have never had "visions" except for when I was "polishing the bishop" and didn't have a skin book.
Never seen a ghost or a ufo.
I laugh at those people who think they're going to get "raptured" and get sucked up into the sky naked.
I asked a guy who was preaching in front of a bar one time if I could have his Cadillac when he got "raptured." The fucker said "no!"
I told him, "Oh yeah? Well when you get sucked up into the sky naked and your clothes are laying in a heap I'm *taking* your wallet fucko!"
WTF do they think anyway, they'll all be naked still in their bodies but they won't need to eat or have a beer once in a while?
What happens when they take a dump, us "non believers" have to walk around with really strong umbrellas?
And can you imagine all the really fat "believers?" Shitloads of fat broads with tits down to their knees and fat guys with no dicks? Sounds more like hell to me.
And what about all the already dead believers, they sure won't look good either!
Yup, the mind is a tricky thing that sometimes can lead you in useless directions for no reason.
Religions are *total bullshit*. All about *controll*. Look at Nostrodamus, he came close a few times but if you could extrapilate his b.s out for a couple of billion years he'd be a "genious", but, so would everyone else!
As far as I'm concerned if you believe in "religion" you're on the side of the terrorists.
Remember "2000"? All the "visions" that people had stockpiling food and water? I bet those goobers had indigestion for the next three years eating all that canned salted pork and freeze-dried broccoli.
And the same thing will happen in 2012!
That said, God is real because the universe exists.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/25/2009 2:32:36 AM

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i do not blame you if you do not believe ! it is ok. but i will send one too you? no that is not possible , see how silly that sound! relax your not a gifted one your safe so do not freak out ! i do not judge so do not judge others ok just listen and i am a believer in god very strongerly this is why no evil has come to my home

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/25/2009 2:48:00 AM

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do you believe that when you die, you'll see Moses in Heaven?

uhhhhh....

okay, let'sleave that aside. how about...

you believe in GHOSTS...? well, if the answe is no, you have to give up on at least ONE of the MAJOR (and most fun) miracles of Jesus himself. But moving on...

do you believe that "Saul" saw something important enough lay scales upon his eyes, then later (after the scales fell from them) he chose to change his life from a persecutor of Christendom to one of its greatest advocates?

No? You don't believe in THAT "metaphysicality established and bedrock of American Culture" principle for Navajo or Innuit or Pagan Celts or (fill in the blank), believe that it applies to them as well as YOU?

then you get to SHUT THE FUCK UP, forever, on the subject of visions, or faith, or anyting ELSE on this thread or any thread like it (hear me, alphawhatzit?) PERIOD.

If any of this is part of YOUR OWN "Jesus luvs me" trip, in ANY way or form, then if it is good for YOU, it's good for everyone ELSE that "prays" to a different "variant" of God than you do.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/25/2009 6:49:56 AM

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Anyone else hearing the soundtrack of "The Twilight Zone "as they read this thread?

No.

Which is why a few of us have taken the thread to email.

You can not know those details.

Oh well.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/26/2009 10:39:57 AM

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Thank you all for your responses thus far....

@Porcelaine,

the tarot, which is related to the Kabbalah, is interesting.

I tend to look for the archetypes of situations rather than laying out the cards and.... OoooOooo these specific things are going to occur to you.

SpoooOooooky.

I see it as all the things that could happen to you..... and levels of awareness.

I am but a fool aloof, ya know.

@Mons

it is only a curse or a blessing if you make it so.

@SlavishMike,
I hear it all the time.

@BreatheasOne

This may be off the topic for a tad.... and some may groan but go ahead for I cannot hear the groans through the interwebs.

God (innervoice... whatever you believe the Spirit of the Kosmos to be), throws all of this input in front of us. I believe in the Holy Bible being the Word of God, but it is not the only word. How I see it (and please, disagree) is that all Words are the Word of God (as we are all his children attempting to emulate prime examples of humans that are good and just aka buddha or jesus) since we derive from this God-being...

and this God-being supposedly has omnipotence. God, creator of angels and demons, sinners and saints, us and them.

I wonder what actual language god speaks in? People do so much talking and so little listening. When it comes to God, the Planet we currently reside on, or other people.

What is the deal with the sensitivity, yo?

any ways....

It sounds sound BreatheasOne. :D

@kdsub,

I recall seeing something on the discovery channel about a man that is quadrapalegic controlling a mouse that is jacked directly into the brain. It reminds me of Ghost in the Shell, if anyone would like to google it (I am feeling rather lazy today). Fiction is an excellent source of visions, or what could be, or what we should not do. They get us thinking 'How can we change our course of action so that we may not end up like that vision'.

Dream it, Scheme it, Believe it, Recieve it.

@Popeye,

RELAX Guy. 58 and jaded is what I read (which is not what you said). Believe what you want but as long as you have something resembling good in your heart and a desire to belong to something greater than yourself (not a selfish prick) then you should be okay.

It is not the belief in God that is important, or your nonbelief... it is the intentions one has while doing these things. What do you intend to do with your visions, or lack thereof.

Full of spite and negativity. It is your life, live it how you wish.

@Hiltie,

Whoa whoa whoa.... harsh. Who is alpha whatzit?

@Pahunkboy,

naw, let us have these discussions out in the open. People may chime in at any time they would desire.

It is so much more entertaining this way (and cheaper than a movie!)

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there is always an exception. :D

Okay, bye now.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/26/2009 11:31:53 AM

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I have had prophetic dreams.

pyroaquatic,
If you have visions shortly before falling asleep or shortly after awakening, those might be hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations respectively.
They are actually fairly common.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/26/2009 11:34:47 AM

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I have had prophetic dreams.

pyroaquatic,
If you have visions shortly before falling asleep or shortly after awakening, those might be hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations respectively.
They are actually fairly common.

next time you have one let us know so we can watch for the event.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/26/2009 11:51:10 AM

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I have had prophetic dreams.

next time you have one let us know so we can watch for the event.

It has happened twice that I can recall.
The first time, I was 18 or so and staying with an elderly great aunt whose husband just died.
I dreamt the family dog disappeared.
The next day while on the phone with my mother, she told me the dog was gone.

The second one: I was employed as a home health aide and they gave me an assignment.
I dreamt that when I arrived there was a sign on the door asking people to remove their shoes before entering.
The woman went into the hospital and the placement fell through.
4-5 months later, once again they gave me the assignment to give her assistance.
When I got there, there was a sign on the door...yup... asking people to remove their shoes before entering.

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RE: Visions, Senses, and Prophecy - 10/26/2009 12:40:05 PM

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I do hear/see things when I am just about to fall asleep.... but most of it nonsensical. This morning someone entered my room to wake me up..... of course I was already awake because there was a sound of a train blaring its horn in my half-deaf left ear.

No, my visions come from either being fully awake or deep in unconsciousness.
And they are usually something I will personally experience.

I'll let y'all know when I win the lottery. Then something useful can come out of it. :D

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