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Mercnbeth -> FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 2:42:13 PM)

Positive - Pragmatic - Action by the Obama Administration

Responding to the growing furor over the paychecks of executives at companies that received billions of dollars in the government�s financial rescue, the Obama administration will order the companies that received the most aid to deeply slash the compensation to their highest paid executives, an official involved in the decision said on Wednesday.

How great is this! Failures finally getting a justified pay-cut!

Under the plan, which will be announced in the next few days by the Treasury Department, the seven companies that received the most assistance will have to cut the annual salaries of their 25 best-paid executives by an average of about 90 percent from last year. Their total compensation - including bonuses and retirement contributions - will drop, on average, by about 50 percent. The companies are Citigroup, Bank of America, American International Group, General Motors, Chrysler and the financing arms of the two automakers.

This is the best part; "... at all of the companies, any executive seeking more than $25,000 in special perks — such as country club memberships, private planes, limousines or company issued cars — will have to apply to the government for permission."

Just picturing these pompous asses submitting an expense report or a request for reimbursement of a $25,000 annual Country Club membership to some bureaucrat, I have an image of any of the Social Security office or unemployment office employees in mind, makes me smile. I hope they will treat them with the disrespect they deserve. Maybe they'll have to take a number from that red meat counter ticket dispenser.

Politically motivated to turn around his declining polling numbers or not this is LONG overdue! FANTASTIC! I guess it points out that, if not Obama specifically, the taking over of these companies makes Washington the de facto CEO, able to control things like plant closings, mergers, and executive salaries. No - I still abhor the thought of the government taking over industries, but that was already done. At least now some of the powers any buyer of a company would assume are being used by the new owners.

Again, if nothing else - management at the next failure will prefer to fail than go through this embarrassment. The personal and corporate taxpaying successes will benefit as a result. Watch - all those companies will magically payback the stimulus so they don't have to live under these rules. This action may have done more to stimulate the economy than anything else done by the President.

Congratulations! Good for him!




GraciousLady -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 3:13:08 PM)

This is likely going to be the case. They can't make anymore money off the government so why put up with the regulations?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Again, if nothing else - management at the next failure will prefer to fail than go through this embarrassment. The personal and corporate taxpaying successes will benefit as a result. Watch - all those companies will magically payback the stimulus so they don't have to live under these rules. This action may have done more to stimulate the economy than anything else done by the President.

Congratulations! Good for him!





servantforuse -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 5:26:53 PM)

This is the exact reason I am so against government run health care. The one who pays the bills is the one who decides where and how the money is spent. Ford was very smart to not take a penny in stimulus money. Those who think that they will be getting free health insurance from the government would be wise to think about what is really going on.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 5:31:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse Those who think that they will be getting free health insurance from the government...


Who thinks that?


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
would be wise to think about what is really going on.


No comment.




servantforuse -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 5:56:29 PM)

Who thinks that ? A lot of people think that. 45 % of the people in this country pay no federal income taxes. That 45 % think that it will be free because it will be free for them.




MasterG2kTR -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 5:57:10 PM)

I think it's great that the administration is saying this, but really when it comes down to it, they have no way to enforce it. Because the language did not exist in the beginning when the money was handed out, there is no reason for compliance. This is just a way to appease public opinion of the bailout.




GraciousLady -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 6:11:19 PM)

But they will find a way to make them comply.
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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

I think it's great that the administration is saying this, but really when it comes down to it, they have no way to enforce it. Because the language did not exist in the beginning when the money was handed out, there is no reason for compliance. This is just a way to appease public opinion of the bailout.






servantforuse -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 6:18:20 PM)

It's called Chicago style thug politics.




Mercnbeth -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 6:34:02 PM)

Well, at minimum this action discloses what is meant by 'bail out'. Government take over of a company will be defined. No longer can anyone say the government only provided the money to prevent a "meltdown" (whatever that gloom & doom foreboding was meant to convey) and didn't the ability to dictate terms of how the company will operate. Stipulating compensation is taking over the company operation, assuming of course that nasty little 'contractual' issue comes into play.

However, is it remotely possible that they didn't consult the executive contracts before announcing this? No - no way - right?




samboct -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 6:36:05 PM)

"It's called Chicago style thug politics"

Well, how else do you dance the Two Step if you're not from Texas?  I mean really- do you think these clowns deserve to keep our money?  This is like finding bank robbers with cash in their pockets and saying that they get to keep what's in their pockets as their rewards for knocking the bank off.  These people did not EARN this money- it's gotten handed to them because to do anything else would have apparently crashed the economic system.  That so few of them felt the need to return it shows how far removed from reality these imbeciles are.

I must admit Merc, I wholeheartedly agree with you.  I hope the financial system gets a long overdue overhaul- I'm furious with the complacency that seems to be setting in.  From my perspective, this crunch was caused by a bunch of overpaid morons trying to convince each other that they'd found a way to have high returns devoid of risk.  Seems to me that this is the economic equivalent of a perpetual motion machine and indicates that these clowns didn't have the slightest idea as to what they were investing what turns out to be their own and the countries' money in.

So which industry has the highest ratio of morons/dollar?  I used to say construction, because never has so much incompetence been so richly rewarded, but those are largely average joes.  Since the financial bozos managed to swallow a long con that anybody who's had economics 101 should have seen, it's arguable that coupled with the high dollars abounding in this industry- they have the highest ratios of morons/dollar.  Unfortunately, since they've been able to make the taxpayer foot the bill, I'm not so sure....


Sam




rulemylife -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 7:23:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Who thinks that ? A lot of people think that. 45 % of the people in this country pay no federal income taxes. That 45 % think that it will be free because it will be free for them.


Or we could look at that another way.

Forty-five percent of the people in this country pay no taxes because they fall in the lowest tax brackets while those who hold most of the wealth in this country fall in the top five percent and managed to con the "have-nots" into supporting cutting taxes for the "haves".




TheHeretic -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 7:26:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

However, is it remotely possible that they didn't consult the executive contracts before announcing this? No - no way - right?



I hope not.  Making mistakes is how we learn.  Repeating mistakes is how we demonstrate that we haven't.




AnimusRex -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 7:51:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Who thinks that ? A lot of people think that. 45 % of the people in this country pay no federal income taxes. That 45 % think that it will be free because it will be free for them.


Or we could look at that another way.

Forty-five percent of the people in this country pay no taxes because they fall in the lowest tax brackets


Possibly true. Or they are in the top tier who manage to shield their income in creative ways. As Leona Helmsly once observed, "paying taxes is for the little people."




Fellow -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 8:13:18 PM)

Cutting an executive compensation substantially would arguably reduce the government tax revenue. In case a company pays its profit out mostly as exec. compensation it would count as a personal income and it would be taxed 35% tax rate (assuming exec.-s claim most of the income [wrong, but just for an argument]). If the money goes to shareholders as a dividend payment, it would be capital gain taxed at 17% (?) rate. The difference is in billions considering Wall Street current practices.




DarkSteven -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 8:38:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Cutting an executive compensation substantially would arguably reduce the government tax revenue. In case a company pays its profit out mostly as exec. compensation it would count as a personal income and it would be taxed 35% tax rate (assuming exec.-s claim most of the income [wrong, but just for an argument]). If the money goes to shareholders as a dividend payment, it would be capital gain taxed at 17% (?) rate. The difference is in billions considering Wall Street current practices.


I have no problem whatsoever with that, because the immediate effect will be that the companies demanding bailouts will quit demanding.  The entire world had gone topsy turvy when the profit motive and downside of risk were wiped out.  Rewarding executives with big paychecks for unethical greedy behavior that screwed their customers was a horrible precedent and the American system could not continue under it.

The review of C level pay accomplishes two wonderful things:  it will kill any desire to get government handouts ever again, and it will force a rethinking of a system under which top brass get fat checks for ruining a company.

It's all good.  Very good.




tazzygirl -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/21/2009 9:01:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Who thinks that ? A lot of people think that. 45 % of the people in this country pay no federal income taxes. That 45 % think that it will be free because it will be free for them.


Since you are the ones with percentages tonight... how many of that 45% are already on medicaid/medicare/SSI/ect.  For many who can get it, its already free.  I work, i dont expect it to be free, nor does anyone i know.




alwayssummer -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/22/2009 1:53:50 AM)

I have lots of dismay over the absence of Goldman Sachs on that list.  They scurried to pay back this category of loaned money to make sure their cooked book profits could bonus their top execs.   Two other GS "prop ups" are being ignored:  They were given billions via the AIG bailout. This money saved GS.  Further,  the big money is  not  even in these loans; it is in the zero interest taxpayer money  the Fed has printed  out their back door.   Goldman Sachs has  made their billions in  profit in 09  with this free money, taxpayer money, on which the taxpayers are getting nothing, not even interest.






SilverMark -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/22/2009 2:16:28 AM)

Amazingly, those who wish to criticize can find fault with accountability....Chicago thug politics? hmmmm....Government money comes with purse strings that shouldn't be pleasant for those who fail and must be "bailed out".... Don't worry though, there will be plenty once the money is returned for $80,000.00 rugs and remodeled offices after the taxpayers get back the funds loaned to those too big to fail!....
And no one give my friend Merc credit for being fair!




UncleNasty -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/22/2009 8:00:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Cutting an executive compensation substantially would arguably reduce the government tax revenue. In case a company pays its profit out mostly as exec. compensation it would count as a personal income and it would be taxed 35% tax rate (assuming exec.-s claim most of the income [wrong, but just for an argument]). If the money goes to shareholders as a dividend payment, it would be capital gain taxed at 17% (?) rate. The difference is in billions considering Wall Street current practices.


I have no problem whatsoever with that, because the immediate effect will be that the companies demanding bailouts will quit demanding.  The entire world had gone topsy turvy when the profit motive and downside of risk were wiped out.  Rewarding executives with big paychecks for unethical greedy behavior that screwed their customers was a horrible precedent and the American system could not continue under it.

The review of C level pay accomplishes two wonderful things:  it will kill any desire to get government handouts ever again, and it will force a rethinking of a system under which top brass get fat checks for ruining a company.

It's all good.  Very good.



I've posted this previously in more detail, but here it is again. There is no constitutional authority for gov't to "bailout" private companies in any way whatsoever. In response to the S&L crisis the Prompt Recovery Act was adopted in 1991. THAT is/was the appropriate law to apply to the circumstances of last fall. Gov't failed to follow the law, beginning with the previous administration and being followed by the current.

As for anything to do with "compensation" packages the whole topic is nothing but a distraction from the real and larger issues. In the overall picture the number of people involved in such is quite small, as is the amount of money involved compared to the "bailouts" in total. Yet the issue manages to command the attention of the people to the exclusion of most others.

Important cases continue to be decided in accordance with the facts and law and these continue to receive little attention in the media and little awareness in the populace. I refer you to the recent decision of Judge Long in Mass. at the following link:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21062165/US-Bank-v-Ibanez-Memo-of-Decision-Denying-US-Bank

The entire 27 page decision is available on the above site. Long was aided by several of my network contacts in the case (who have been aided by me), his understanding of the issues, the information he used in coming to his decision both overall and with the specifics of the parties involved, etc. The security and securitization documents he refers to are quite lengthy. Understanding the information they contain and express is quite a process, and one that very few jurists are willing to expend the time to reach.

People here that have followed my posts over the past 2 years should be well aware that my focus is on mortgage lending and foreclosures. These are the issues that allegedly toppled the first dominoe in the economic crisis. There are, of course, other pertinent issues as well. But to me it seems an understanding of the first dominoe, and applying a proper solution to that, is crucial in fixing the problems in the overall.

Uncle Nasty






pahunkboy -> RE: FINALLY! The CEO TAKES CHARGE! (10/22/2009 8:29:48 AM)

I wont hold my breath on this one.

WHERE was he the past 10 months?

I do not want the government to fix anymore problems.

BTW_ web-bit   predicts something to happen 10-25.  I have no idea if they are correct.




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