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lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:37:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: catize

I don’t know what to tell ya.  I don’t think re-evaluating your life is a bad thing, but you need to be calm while you are doing that; calm and brutally honest with yourself. 
Ask yourself is your panic from something in the here and now, or are you reacting to old stuff that somehow has been triggered?  Is this feeling that it is too much a sudden thing or has it been brewing? Why now, why tonight?
One of the best quotes I have ever used, from Who Moved the Cheese?  “If I wasn’t afraid, what would I do?” 
I hope you can talk it out and work it through.


Since talking to him I am a bit calmer, but no, when I posted this I was far from calm. There have been things that I knew were catching up with me, but there wasn't much I could do until the intersect happened. It all came to this level tonight because I ran up face to face with something I had to accept and it is a difficult one. It is an issue with accepting myself, not of accepting something he is doing or wanting. If I could I would just embrace it all and go on my merry way. Thanks sweetie! *hugs*

lovingpet




Elipsis -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:39:02 PM)

Jeeze :(




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:41:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: leadership527

Well yeah lovingpet. Carol just went through one of these moments as you know. There is no real "advice" for such a moment. There is no way through it but to get to the other side. When you get there, you will have learned a lot about yourself.

'Cause you can't jump the track,we're like cars on a cable
and life's like an hourglass, glued to the table
No one can find the rewind button, girl.
So cradle your head in your hands
And breathe, just breathe,



Thank you for this. I should know this kind of stuff by now. Been here and done this a few times already.

Would you do me a favor and let Carol read this? I think we sometimes feel very alone and like a real failure for going through stuff like this. It might help for her to know not if, but when, it happens again, there are others who have been there. I'd hug ya, but I think those all go to Carol.

lovingpet




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:44:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

loving pet, i actually do understand what you mean....but i also know the hows and whys....which has helped me TREMENDOUSLY to not freak out about my shit too much.... so yeah...i understand....


Gosh sweetie! It's been forever! *hugs*

I appreciate the empathy. Means a lot tonight!

lovingpet




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:46:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Jeeze :(


Tell me about it. :(




Elipsis -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:50:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Jeeze :(


Tell me about it. :(


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sirsholly -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:52:30 PM)

we wear and change so many different hats so frequently it is a miracle that we ever have a good hair day.

There is LovingPet the Mom
the daughter
the employee
the submissive
the friend
the relative
the student
the teacher

and so on.....

We humans are an analytical bunch, which is both a good and bad way to be. "Good" because self criticism can result in new insight and change when/if needed. "Bad" because it can fill us with self doubt.

What you are doing in this thread is really no different than what you did the last time you wore your "LovingPet the employee" hat and had a very difficult day at work. You felt confused, unappreciated, angry, scared, unsettled, displaced, and were perhaps questioning your role. Perhaps you made a huge error...really screwed up, and are ready to toss in the towel. Perhaps a career change is in order. You probably said/felt things such as:

-everything just feels like way too much
-you have been entrusted with so much
-you even begin to question your own sanity as you contemplate some massive upheaval
-maybe who you are or what you want just scare the everloving fucking shit out of you.
-I feel like I am cracking under the weight of it all and I don't know what to do.
-I am panicked
-I am sickened
-I fear what the future holds.
-I feel like my whole world is about to come undone.
-where to does a person go from this place?
-How do you reconsile with yourself?
-How am I supposed to look myself in the mirror again?

If this sounds familiar, it is because they are your own words simply used in another scenario. It is normal and natural to question our roles. In fact, i think it is a very healthy thing to do. If we did not question and analyze, we would not see how to improve the situation, and improve ourselves in the process.








lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:57:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

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ORIGINAL: lovingpet


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ORIGINAL: Elipsis

Jeeze :(


Tell me about it. :(


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Was this cuz I forgot the hugs? It was a whoops! *double hug*




Surrenderwithin -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 9:59:25 PM)

There is not a great deal that I can add that has not already been said. Just know that you are not alone in this and each and everyone of us sometimes feel like we have hit a brick wall. Sometimes this is the universes way of telling us to slow down, and sometimes it is telling us to find a new path. Then again sometimes the door is right in front of us and we just need to realize that and walk through it.

I have been through the same feelings you have described and the advice to just get throught it and time heals all wounds is the best advice. It may be cliche but there is a measure of truth hidden there. Keep looking toward the goal and consciously choose to take one step at a time.

I have often said that sometimes life gets hard, especially as a slave. I have often said that I choose to surrender everyday. Sometimes, when times are hard and I am feeling uncertain ( or a whole array of other emotions) I have to make that choice many times throughout the day.

Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly. Then take a single step, then another....If you cant step then crawl until you find the strength and will to stand again. Just see this as growing pains and remember that once you come through this you will be more in tune with yourself, your desires, and your relationship.

I know times are tough but it looks like you have a wonderful network of support. Do not be afraid to lean on those who care and as it was said before... walk on.

Maggi




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 10:00:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

we wear and change so many different hats so frequently it is a miracle that we ever have a good hair day.

There is LovingPet the Mom
the daughter
the employee
the submissive
the friend
the relative
the student
the teacher

and so on.....

We humans are an analytical bunch, which is both a good and bad way to be. "Good" because self criticism can result in new insight and change when/if needed. "Bad" because it can fill us with self doubt.

What you are doing in this thread is really no different than what you did the last time you wore your "LovingPet the employee" hat and had a very difficult day at work. You felt confused, unappreciated, angry, scared, unsettled, displaced, and were perhaps questioning your role. Perhaps you made a huge error...really screwed up, and are ready to toss in the towel. Perhaps a career change is in order. You probably said/felt things such as:

-everything just feels like way too much
-you have been entrusted with so much
-you even begin to question your own sanity as you contemplate some massive upheaval
-maybe who you are or what you want just scare the everloving fucking shit out of you.
-I feel like I am cracking under the weight of it all and I don't know what to do.
-I am panicked
-I am sickened
-I fear what the future holds.
-I feel like my whole world is about to come undone.
-where to does a person go from this place?
-How do you reconsile with yourself?
-How am I supposed to look myself in the mirror again?

If this sounds familiar, it is because they are your own words simply used in another scenario. It is normal and natural to question our roles. In fact, i think it is a very healthy thing to do. If we did not question and analyze, we would not see how to improve the situation, and improve ourselves in the process.







Thank you so much, holly! I do seem to always forget and need reminding that this really is not someplace so scary like I've never been here before. The feelings are no less distressful and scary, but there is some peace in knowing that I have successfully navigated such waters before and, so, can feel some confidence that I can do it again. Now from lovingpet da friend..... *hugs*

lovingpet




NuevaVida -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 10:03:12 PM)

I think sometimes we go along a path in life and everything is going fine to the point where perhaps we don't really think about it all that much, until the day comes and we look back and think - - HUH??  We wonder how we got to where we currently are, and it can be quite the surprise.

Sometimes where we are is incredibly good, sometimes it's not so good, but looking at it and looking back at the path aren't necessarily bad things, in fact, I think it's good to do.

I'm glad you're feeling calmer now.  Just breathe and know you are loved.  The answers do come.






sirsholly -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 10:51:14 PM)

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I think sometimes we go along a path in life and everything is going fine to the point where perhaps we don't really think about it all that much, until the day comes and we look back and think - - HUH?? We wonder how we got to where we currently are, and it can be quite the surprise.
So true. I think we have all been on our happy strolls down the Path of LeastResistance......and somehow ended up on the Trail of WhatTheFuck.




NuevaVida -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/21/2009 11:04:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

I think sometimes we go along a path in life and everything is going fine to the point where perhaps we don't really think about it all that much, until the day comes and we look back and think - - HUH?? We wonder how we got to where we currently are, and it can be quite the surprise.
So true. I think we have all been on our happy strolls down the Path of LeastResistance......and somehow ended up on the Trail of WhatTheFuck.


You got it.  I know I certainly have.




ranja -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 3:00:40 AM)

it is rather a black place if you feel totally grossed out about things...
as has been said... don't over analyse... also difficult as it might seem, you have to try and see the funny side... if you manage to see the whole gross thing in a lighter way you get over it much quicker...
(watch bitter moon, very interesting)

and... what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 5:07:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Surrenderwithin

There is not a great deal that I can add that has not already been said. Just know that you are not alone in this and each and everyone of us sometimes feel like we have hit a brick wall. Sometimes this is the universes way of telling us to slow down, and sometimes it is telling us to find a new path. Then again sometimes the door is right in front of us and we just need to realize that and walk through it.

I have been through the same feelings you have described and the advice to just get throught it and time heals all wounds is the best advice. It may be cliche but there is a measure of truth hidden there. Keep looking toward the goal and consciously choose to take one step at a time.

I have often said that sometimes life gets hard, especially as a slave. I have often said that I choose to surrender everyday. Sometimes, when times are hard and I am feeling uncertain ( or a whole array of other emotions) I have to make that choice many times throughout the day.

Take a deep breath. Let it out slowly. Then take a single step, then another....If you cant step then crawl until you find the strength and will to stand again. Just see this as growing pains and remember that once you come through this you will be more in tune with yourself, your desires, and your relationship.

I know times are tough but it looks like you have a wonderful network of support. Do not be afraid to lean on those who care and as it was said before... walk on.

Maggi


I do. My partner, the people here, and some folks that I share my life with real time are all so much help and I am very fortunate to have each and every one of them in my life, especially at a time like this.

I resonate with what you are saying here. Nothing has happened that has harmed me in some way. I just have a lot of letting go and owning up to do. It is not the easy part for sure, but I know he is with me every step of the way. It is my own internal battle and, after talking to him, he feels pretty damn helpless watching me go through this, but the struggle is mine. I have to muster my own strength to carry on and grow through this.

Thank you for your kind response. It is much appreciated. *hug*

lovingpet




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 5:14:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

I think sometimes we go along a path in life and everything is going fine to the point where perhaps we don't really think about it all that much, until the day comes and we look back and think - - HUH?? We wonder how we got to where we currently are, and it can be quite the surprise.
So true. I think we have all been on our happy strolls down the Path of LeastResistance......and somehow ended up on the Trail of WhatTheFuck.


You got it.  I know I certainly have.



In response to your whole post, but this little exchange got me to laugh a little. That's kinda a big deal, so thanks to you both!

I've talked on here before about how I never actually meant to be on the path that I have discovered with him, but it brings me so much fulfillment and peace. Of course then there are those times where I am frantically looking for the road that diverges off of this one. It isn't that how I feel is any less true, but that I don't always know what to do with it. It isn't my story that I am writing, but that I am following along in a plot he has already determined and reveals little by little. Like not knowing what's going to happen next and getting those gotcha moments in an adventure movie, I can get a little restless and start jumping at shadows.

Time, taking good care of myself and taking good care of each other, some healthy introspection balanced with the ability to just run with a good thing, and plenty of support will get me through to the other side. I don't know what will be waiting over there, but I know my partner and I will face whatever it is together and be the stronger for it.

lovingpet




lovingpet -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 5:16:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

it is rather a black place if you feel totally grossed out about things...
as has been said... don't over analyse... also difficult as it might seem, you have to try and see the funny side... if you manage to see the whole gross thing in a lighter way you get over it much quicker...
(watch bitter moon, very interesting)

and... what doesn't kill you makes you stronger?


The humor of being in this position is not lost on me for sure. It is like a universal April Fool's Day on me. LOL

Thank you! I know that every struggle in my life has lead me to better things. This will be no different.

lovingpet




CaringandReal -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 5:46:59 AM)



Hey lovingpet,

I'm sorry you are (or were) feeling so bad. I wanted to reply last night but when I saw the thread it was curfew time. I believe I can relate to what you're saying. I go through frequent "dark nights of the soul" these days, at least twice a month, sometimes more frequently. The content of my thoughts is not on the same subjects as you have described, but the nature and the intensity of the emotionals, particularly despair, panick, sickened by myself, terror of the future, all those are very familiar companions to me. I will also address the content, what you think about, but let me talk about these moods first. It's stupid to assume, but from the way you speak of this, it sounds like these are new experiences for you? In my experience, this combination of emotions can occur about anything, not without reason (usually there's something, sometimes imaginary, sometimes very real and awful, that causes them) but they don't limit themselves to crises of faith about a very strange and non-standard sexuality. They occur in me most often when I've got something pent up, something I haven't spoken about to anyone. Keeping something inside, even something quite small, can sometimes cause it to curdle and grow to an enormous size. It's as if unexpressed emotions ferment in people, get bloated with foul psychoemotional gasses...ok, this is getting gross, even for me. Suffice it to say that when something grows inside you it causes pressure to be placed on other things, and that is most often quite painful. The solution is to let it out, of course, release the pressure. Paradoxically, although this is what brings relief, it's also often the most difficult thing to do. The reason the pent-up feelings got so bad in the first place was because a person didn't feel comfortable letting them out in the right context previously. And they longer you hold them in, the worse they get.

These feelings aren't something that pop out fullblown overnight, usually. I imagine if you think back on the history of this, you'll find a point while back in time where it started with just a little uneasiness, maybe about something specific, maybe about something general, but that uneasiness wasn't expressed? You made a good first step in trying to let some of the tension out last night by expressing it here, but this audience isn't going to really relax much of the pressure. You know who you have to talk to. I know it's harder to do that because he's inextricably tied up with what you feel is the root of the problem. But that's why these things appear to you as bad as they do: you know where the source of your relief lies but given the content of your thoughts and feelings, that relief is suspect. I've been at this spot, emotionally, so many times in the last year, I've lost track of them. I've endured it, because the alternative (disclosure of the thing I dreaded) seemed far worse. It's taken a toll. I think I've been able to let this go on so long because I got used to living with horror and terror and loss and self-loathing after my first owner, who I loved more than life, died. This new stress, as bad as it has been, seems almost light in comparison, so I've made myself just suck it up and endure it. (Although I don't think I've done the right thing, by the way.)

"Does anyone else ever get to the point where everything just feels like way too much?"

I did, certainly, at the beginning of my first master/slave relationship. I think twice. They were intense moments of crisis, when I was cretain what I was doing was horrible and very wrong. BDSM, especially when there is a strong power exchange, is just so different from the way most people live their lives. If you're the submissive, your life becomes curtailed from what you have been used to. You face astonishing challenges, things you've never faced before. You described one of those your evil genius thread: an enormous self-image/body image change imposed by your master. That in itself would be enough to trigger a crisis, as it was such a radical change from what is normal for you, but I imagine there have been other things, besides this, going on. Enslaving someone is always a multifaceted process: many dominants attack it from a lot of idifferent angles at once. Understandably the person being put into control fears she may be losing parts of herself, essential parts of her personality, ideals, beliefs, some of them bad parts, but others special good parts, the more tightly the net is drawn around her. And what is it all for? Sometimes it seems that all you get in exchange for all this change and challenge and loss is... a bunch of hot sex. Of course you get a whole lot more. But it's hard to think of the positive aspects of this when you're panicked and having a crisis of this magnitude.

During my first crisis of this nature, I was at work, still living in my little town across the country from him. I called him from the phone in the office hall (pre-cellphone days), extremly upset. I was very self-conscious at the time and thought people were looking at me, listening in, so I left the building. He made me promise before I hung up that I would call him again immediately, as soon as I got to a public payphone outside. So I walked a few blocks and found one... and I called him, and we talked for a few minutes and then I got extremely self-conscious again about passers by who might be watching me cry or listening to my end of the conversation, so I told him I had to go, had to hang up and he made me promise to walk to another payphone and call him from there. So I did. I think I did this about five or six times. It was rather bizarre. here I was in the biggest crisis I felt I'd ever faced in my adult life, and yet I was so self-conscious and embarassed about emoting in public, that I had to keep changing locations. A mile or so, and six payphones/collect calls later, he had me calmed down/resolved enough to return to work. It felt so good to tell him about my fears and mistrust and arguements against slavery and control. And he had an answer--that made sense--for every single one of them and that soothed and calmed me.

Anyway, the issues you are speaking sound terribly familiar. They were the ones I was facing back then. The whole thing did strike me as very sick, as wrong, that my life was narrowing, not expanding, that horror, not heat and joy lay ahead, that he could do anything to me and there were so many sick things out there that could be done. I can't remember a lot anymore of what my master said to calm me down and get me to see this with a more balanced perspective. Much of what he did was non-verbal, just reassuring me with his normal friendly humorous presence on the phone that everything was Ok. He understood completely why I was feeling this way and was very sympathetic. He explained to me where a lof of my feelings were coming from: showed me the connection between experiencing real non-play control that goes on day after day and my feelings of panic. I'd changed so much, I'd experienced so many new things in such a short period of time, this way of living was so different from what I had been useful, that it was natural that I'd come to feel freaked by it all at some point or another. He told me he was a bit surprised this hadn't happened earlier. I asked him why this wasn't a very sick, bad, wrong way to live and I don't remember what his answers were anymore, but they satisfied me intellectually and calmed my misgivings.

So yeah, this kind of thing does happen, especially if the control is very real and very intense. If a crisis of this sort didn't happen, it might bring cause one to wonder about your level of sensitivity and awareness/self-awareness. In my experience extreme power exchange is not bad, but it's very, very different from the way you are used to living, and it's natural that this would cause conflict and crisis, especially in the early years. It gets better, of course, eventually you can't imagine living or wanting to live in any other way and if life forces you into that second change, god forbid,..well, suffice to say it makes all of what had gone on before seem like a cakewalk. :/

I understand what you mean about the fetishes seeming sick or scary but you two are not personally practicing all of these fetishes that you find creepy are you? I imagine if you asked him about some of them he'd think many of them were gross or unsafe or just boring. Dominants have their preferences, usually very clearly defined preferences in fact, they don't like every little activity that falls under the wide bdsm umbrella. Women, in my experience, tend to be more open to new fetishes, so if anything, you may find that you are the "sicker" one in the relationship, lol, that you like things that he will absolutely refuse to touch! Unfortunately, that means you won't touch them either, except in fantasy. ;)

You know you need to talk to him. Know also that I am emphatically nodding and pointing at the door. It's time to see what sort of stuff he's made of and how he handles a bdsm crisis of faith. :) If you can, try to have this talk in person.

I'll say one more thing. A lot of very extreme ideas, practices, and philosophies get talked about in this forum. When you are having a crisis of the type you describe, the content of such threads can exaccerbate what you are feeling. Try to keep in mind that many of the posters mouthing off about these extremes have little to no practical experience with them. Their money is definitely not where their mouths are! A lot of them do not have any idea of how difficult and complex genuine enslavement can be and if they did; I think they'd be a bit more subdued and cautious in their speech. A lot of the talk that goes on here is pure high spirits, someone's in a new relationship, it's making them dizzy, wheee, and at the early stages of a courtship one thinks that anything and everything is possible--even though you have had no real experience with many of those things. Everything seems easy. It's a superman/superwoman complex, that's all. So take that talk with 10,000 grains of salt. Its very easy to talk the talk, and if you have the gift of gab, you can even convince others that you have walked! Another type posts here: people, like me, who have been doing this for a very long time, who have a a lot of experience. Such people are posting about real things, but their perspective is very different than yours. They're past their crises, they in different stages of their relationship, so a lot of what they/we say isn't going to be very relevant to someone establishing a new bdsm relationship and being brought under real control for the first time. I imagine young couples just starting a family and dealing with the stress and sleeplessness and crises of having young children face this as well, when they listen to the blase "Oh it will be fine, you'll look back on this and laugh" responses of the empty nesters. Not too useful!




oceanwynds1 -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 5:47:46 AM)

lovingpet
just know i am here for you too.

hugs hun
oceanwynds




Acer49 -> RE: When It Just Gets Too Much (10/22/2009 5:53:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

Before I even start, please just let me say I am pretty upset and really having a rough go this evening. I may wind up being nasty or whiney or whatever, but I really just need to express this the best I can and get some insights from those that have been where I am or are sitting in the middle of such a storm. Before it even gets said, of course I will be talking to my partner about all this. It is going to be probably one of the most difficult, intimate, and bonding talks we have ever had and will be what will finally settle me and help me come back to peace.

Does anyone else ever get to the point where everything just feels like way too much? Maybe it's that your dominance or submission seems to shut doors. Perhaps you wake up one morning to see horrific marks you never intended to endure, or are the one facing what you have done to another human being in the cold light of day. Does it ever bother you how much control you have given up or scare you that you have been entrusted with so much of another person's life? It might be that the fetishes just seem so out there and sick. Perhaps you even begin to question your own sanity as you contemplate some massive upheaval of even some very core beliefs and ways of life. Maybe who you are or what you want just scare the everloving fucking shit out of you. I'm not going to ask if anyone else goes through those times, but I have to wonder at moments like this one tonight how to get through it.

This is where I am. Nearly ever last one of those senarios I listed apply to me, this time in my life, and how I feel. I feel like I am cracking under the weight of it all and I don't know what to do. I am panicked somehow. I am sickened by myself. I fear what the future holds. I feel like my whole world is about to come undone. Where to does a person go from this place? How do you reconsile with yourself? How am I supposed to look myself in the mirror again?

Please be kind. I don't have it in me deal with heartless replies. If you never have struggled with this or it doesn't resonate with you, please do us both a favor and don't bother answering. I really don't need anything else to feel worse about right now. Many here have come to be my friends from afar, many whom I respect greatly. I will appreciate the support on a night and a time like this. Thanks so much.

lovingpet


For what it's worth, when I have reached a point like I am just totally overwhelmed, I ask for help from the man upstairs




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