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BossyShoeBitch -> Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 7:31:52 PM)

I have ADHD. Part of my ADHD is a terrible working (short term) memory. I do a tremendous amount of research on the subject and decided to ask all of you these questions about people who actually have photographic memories.



Are you only considered as having a photographic memory if you remember everything you read and see?

What are the criteria used to determine if someone has a photographic memory?

Do you have a method you use that helps you remember or is it BAM- it's just IN there before you know it?

Do people with photographic memories score higher on IQ tests (since part of it is memorizing series of numbers and basic world Social Studies)?

Since a major characteristic of ADHD tends to be a deficiency in short term(working) memory, does this mean people with a photographic memory don't ever have ADHD or ADD?




DesFIP -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 7:40:53 PM)

I no longer qualify as a photographic memory if indeed I did. I never could visualize the paper with the print on it which I had understood to be the true definition. However I used to be able to read and recite vast amounts of poetry from just a few readings. I've got some ADD, not hyperactivity with the inability to focus, but the tendency to dissassociate from what's happening and be lost in my own head. Or as the teachers would complain, I was always daydreaming. IQ tested at age 12 as 135. Not Mensa quality but good enough.

But I would just be interested enough in a piece of literature to read it over a few times, for better enjoyment since you don't get all that it has on the first read. And then, there it was. It came to light after a few days of rain and I found a copy of Oscar Wilde's Ballad of Reading Jail, and then declaimed it all at the dinner table or for anyone unwise enough to ask about it for months.  And 30 years after college, I can still recite several lines of the prologue to the Canterbury Tales. But that was a semester long course, not just a quick read so I don't know if it counts.




Aileen1968 -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 7:42:48 PM)

I'm sorry...what was the question?




lizi -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 8:34:13 PM)

I have a photographic memory....sometimes. I can visualize and read print on the occasions when it does happen. I have never identified a pattern as to when or why it happens and why it doesn't. I have trouble with short term memory and have a reputation for that amongst the people who know me.

I used to use this 'trick' of mine to help me out with exams in school. I'd close my eyes and literally read from the textbook or my notes to answer questions. My IQ is 152, I was tested in high school and again in college. I have not been diagnosed with ADHD but my son has been.





JoanieHoney2001 -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 8:56:27 PM)


I've never had my IQ tested so I can't say anything to that, but I did very well in school because I could "see" in my mind the text or what was written on the blackboard in order to answer questions properly. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a "photographic" memory or not.

Jo




RedMagic1 -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 9:33:23 PM)

The people with the best memories ever studied are usually those who have some form of synesthesia, meaning they can hear colors, or otherwise mix together different senses.  This is often a problem, and is part of the reason some "idiot savants" have superb memories even though they are low-functioning in other ways.

It makes sense if you think about it.  People have much better memory for things like smell, and visuals like a steak dinner, than they do for letters and numbers.  If you can figure out a way to encode "1011100111" as "flat iron steak with red potatoes and gravy," then you'll be able to spit back that string of 0's and 1's, even though you're "really" remembering the food.




NormalOutside -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 9:38:21 PM)

Through HS and college I was able to pull up entire or partial pages of text and images. Came in very handy during tests. I could actually re-read the text and then use that to answer essay questions, etc. After having kids, and no longer studying anymore, and taking up "smoking", I don't have that ability anymore except on rare occasions. Use it or lose it, I guess!




sirsholly -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 10:30:04 PM)

Hey BSB!!! I too have ADHD (loads of fun, isn't it?) and am answering based on my experiences (those that i remember, at least)

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Are you only considered as having a photographic memory if you remember everything you read and see?
I have what you might call a photographic memory with certain things only...generally unpleasant things...or things that are associated with some sort of trauma.  My husband has a very bad traffic accident last yr and seeing the car was not a good experience. I was able to recall nearly every aspect of damage from memory when talking to the insurance adjuster.

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Do you have a method you use that helps you remember or is it BAM- it's just IN there before you know it?
I never try...it is just there.

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Do people with photographic memories score higher on IQ tests (since part of it is memorizing series of numbers and basic world Social Studies)?
I have never heard/read anything about this, but i have my doubts they would. I DO know that those with ADHD do consistantly score higher...provided they sit still long enough to take the test.[8|]

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Since a major characteristic of ADHD tends to be a deficiency in short term(working) memory, does this mean people with a photographic memory don't ever have ADHD or ADD?

You got me on that one, but my first thought is the photographic memory is perhaps a coping skill to counteract their deficiency.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/21/2009 11:32:47 PM)

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Are you only considered as having a photographic memory if you remember everything you read and see?


No, but that's the common misconception of photographic memory. I don't think there really is a universally accepted definition of photographic memory - it's generally defined as an ability to recall, with exceptional accuracy, large amounts of highly detailed information. The way they test is relatively simple; you stare at a complex image for about 30 seconds or so, and after a certain period of time elapses, are tested to see how much detail you recall.

There's actually some debate whether true photographic memory, or eidetic memory, even exists. Some cognitive scientists adamantly dispute that it does, and maintain that there never has been a documented case of photographic memory. They claim that what we commonly mistake for eidetic memory is often just an exceptionally good memory supplemented by mnemonic techniques and an extraordinary ability to organize information, or more probably, specific types of information - like chess grandmasters who display an amazing ability to memorize the layout of a chess board, but are unable to memorize a sheet of text or series of numbers. There does, however, seem to be more widespread agreement that "sporadic eidetic memory" (where for some reason, certain memories are recalled photographically) is a documented occurrence. I believe there are indications that some individuals are more prone to sporadic eidetic memory than others, and are likely to experience it with greater frequency than most people.

Even if it does exist, true eidetic memory is almost certainly extremely rare. What we laypeople typically call photographic memory is nothing more than an exceptionally good memory. Some people's memory is a lot better than others. Those people typically tend to score higher on exams. I was one of those; the reason i know a bit about eidetic memory is that I was once thought to have it, and was tested for it. I had an IQ of 147, and could recall great amounts of information flawlessly - for example, when i first moved to Minneapolis, I knew where almost every street in the city was within a few months, because every time I drove by a street sign, i would memorize it. And once I memorized it, i never forgot where that street was. Then when I'd look something up on a map, I'd automatically memorize where those streets were in relation to the streets I was now seeing on the map, and within a month or two I knew where literally almost every street in the entire city was, simply by remembering where they were in relation to each other. But when i was tested, it was found that I just had a very good recall combined with an innate ability to organize the stored information.

It pops up in weird ways - if you hand me a sheet of paper, and there's a single typo on that sheet, I'll know it within a couple of seconds, almost every single time. But it often takes me several minutes of line-by-line reading to actually find the typo. I know it's there the instant I glance at it, because something in my mind immediately sees that some detail is not properly organized, but I don't know what it is until I look at every piece of information, one by one. For some reason, that doesn't work when i'm reading a computer screen, though - i can't do this trick when reading a website. But hand me a sheet of typewritten text, and I'll spot it every time. Used to drive some of my co-workers nuts; they thought I was just being obtuse - "there's a typo on here." "where?" "I don't know yet. But I know there's one here someplace."

The point of all this? It's extremely unlikely that any of us here are eidetic. Some of us may have exceptionally good memories, but the only thing that sets them apart from the memories of other people is that by random chance, they just happen to be more detailed. Some people with ADD and/or ADHD may present characteristics that are typically associated with eidetic memory because their brains have a unique and highly efficient mechanism for organizing certain types of complex information, but as far as i know, there's no more direct relationship than that between eidetic memory and ADD/ADHD.




mefisto69 -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 3:33:09 AM)

i have photo eyes. my grandfather was my music teacher and began testing and pushing me as a tot when he realized it. as a pianist i have to play from memory so - frequently, it's with eyes closed and i see the music scroll as i play. i used to fuck with my teachers in school. read the chapter ahead and sit with my hands folded and recite in time with them... sometimes in harmony - drove a few to nervous breakdowns. i never really focused on anything but music tho - occasionally pages of something i've read will pop up and i can review them in my head. i probably Would have been diagnosed with ADHD because i was so bored in school but - that was that.... i don't have any other symptoms related with it. BTW... the memory doesn't preclude me from putting in thousands of hours at the piano to make a piece of music 'perfect' for performance and keep it that way.... the muscles have to build memory the old fashioned way- repetitive motion. 2 years ago i was diagnosed with macular degeneration - we'll see how that plays out.




LaTigresse -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 4:01:21 AM)

Another serious ADD person here ( no H, not a hyper in me, I am too lazy for hyper) and mega CRS ( can't remember shit). As for IQ, this sounds bad, but I seriously cannot remember the exact number. I just remember 13something. It didn't matter to me, so I didn't remember it.

I would love to blame the CRS on advancing years but that would be a lie. I've always been this way. I have very selective memory. Usually deleting the worthless (to me) negative (sadly, especially if I was at fault) and resolved.

My memory has always work off my senses, scent, sound, even how visually appealing or not something/one is, and all the more unexplainable things. How certain things made me feel, the energy I got from someone, or a place, event, etc. But dates, names, facts.........poof! Gone! Example, I could tell you all about the emotions on the days my three grandchildren were born......but I would struggle to tell you quickly the date, and god forbid the time of day.

I hated any part of school that required memorization. I've learned more about history from television (National Geographic and History Channel), movies and the curiousity they created, than years of classroom study. I still don't remember dates and names, but I understand the whys and hows. There simply MUST be a relatable human element in something, for me to have it matter.

*Please forgive any typos as my computer keyboard is being a bitch and I haven't had my coffee yet.






sirsholly -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 4:27:02 AM)

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As for IQ, this sounds bad, but I seriously cannot remember the exact number. I just remember 13something
now i just KNOW that some smart-ass on the board might suggest some number like 13.5.

If they do LaT...lemee know. [sm=club.gif]




subtlebutterfly -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 4:46:19 AM)

Holly...13.5?? I'd suggest more like 13.2[8|][sm=couch.gif]

I don't believe I've got ADD or ADHD or those disorder..but heck I'm still horrible at focusing my attention on things that don't interest me in some way and my brain goes into lockup mode.

My mind only remembers stuff that isn't important..'cause I guess I'm attracted to unimportant information I often have people go like...out of everything...why on earth did you remember THIS?[&o] ..it can be handy at times though.
I can tell car brands by their front/tail lights...completely useless and I haven't even put an effort into memorizing them.

I used to have photographic memory..now not so much..besides remembering where exactly in the book something related to this or that subject was..if only I remembered what it said there...

Birthdays and all those special days people keep, I cannot remember them for the life of mine. I know my mom's bday is september 11th.....I started remembering that in 2001 go figure.

I usually need to connect things to something.. either music, places, scent or something like that..even colors..when I play the piano I often close my eyes 'cause it works better that way my fingers do the job..just like in some other things I prefer using my hands as senses instead of eyes and ears.

I drive around the city not by street names but shops (besides the suburbs learnt those when I was in the deliveries..but anyway).

Usually I can't remember shit if it doesn't interest me.




barelynangel -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 4:51:52 AM)

I am it seems like many on this thread, i can picture pages of text in my head and read from my mind word for word what is on the page. In HS and college i was able to quote from the text in answering questions and used quotes in essays wit correct citation and if there were citations in te text -- right down to correct citations and punctuation. A couple times this raised eyebrows. However, i can't just pull it up in my head it for me has to be triggered by something. It amazes people i work with lol because i will point out when a quote in a brief or something someone wrote is missing words or has wrong punctuation - if i have read the case thy are citing lol. And it doesn't work very well when someone is asking me an oral question -- in otherwords its not triggered by verbal questions. I have to read the trigger.

What is unusual though is i am a HORRID speller. I could never do this on spelling tests - go figure. My mom thought it would be amazing if i would READ THE DICTIONARY lol when i kept bringing low scored spelling tests home lol.

No i don't do anything but read as i always do so its not like an active memorization type thing nor am i aware i am doing it. If i TRY and memorize something to bring it up as a picture in my mind, i can't do it.

I have no idea how this works with ADD or ADHD




sirsholly -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 5:07:56 AM)

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I usually need to connect things to something.. either music, places, scent or something like that..even colors..when I play the piano I often close my eyes 'cause it works better that way my fingers do the job..just like in some other things I prefer using my hands as senses instead of eyes and ears.

I drive around the city not by street names but shops (besides the suburbs learnt those when I was in the deliveries..but anyway).
this is a HUGE thing with me. I have to use association.
We each develop our own coping skills.




samboct -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 6:45:21 AM)

I have a near photographic memory- I can remember things that lie near or around photographs.  Unfortunately, my photographs generally wind up in the garbage.  These days I have a near screen memory- works great when I type in www.google.....

I haven't been diagnosed with any of the disease de jours.....


Sam




LaTigresse -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 7:46:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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I usually need to connect things to something.. either music, places, scent or something like that..even colors..when I play the piano I often close my eyes 'cause it works better that way my fingers do the job..just like in some other things I prefer using my hands as senses instead of eyes and ears.

I drive around the city not by street names but shops (besides the suburbs learnt those when I was in the deliveries..but anyway).
this is a HUGE thing with me. I have to use association.
We each develop our own coping skills.



Yes, the above is very much how my brain operates also. I couldn't tell you for sure the name of the streets two plus blocks from where I am, but I am quite confident in my ability to get around town.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 9:38:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

Are you only considered as having a photographic memory if you remember everything you read and see?



I was in a research program when I was younger. One of those paid type deals they had at Emory University. I have always had a great memory for things I see or read, but not so well what I hear. They used some kind of scoring system and listed me in the top 10 percentile. I always wrote my notes out, even if from a book, as it assisted me in memorizing things. Often when I read, and I am actually studying, I will remember what the page looks like, often page number, and then the actual information from the page I read.

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What are the criteria used to determine if someone has a photographic memory?


Well I know there is at least one study out there, about 23 years old, and they had criteria for scoring. Not sure if it was something universal though.

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Do you have a method you use that helps you remember or is it BAM- it's just IN there before you know it?


Both. Sometimes I will associate a memory with something visual or a phrase. What is weird is that while I drive, I may suddenly start thinking of a word, phrase or number. After looking into this, I found that I was seeing license plate numbers, bumper stickers, etc., in my vision and my sub-conscious was picking it up. There are memory and meditation techniques that help with recall of information.

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Do people with photographic memories score higher on IQ tests (since part of it is memorizing series of numbers and basic world Social Studies)?


I scored pretty high, but not going to say a number. Yeah the areas of utilizing memory were the easiest, but I am not bad with logic, reason, and spatial awareness so those helped as well.

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Since a major characteristic of ADHD tends to be a deficiency in short term(working) memory, does this mean people with a photographic memory don't ever have ADHD or ADD?


Not sure, but I have a mental problem with names and dates, even when read. So I use the three times rule I read somewhere. I say the name or date, outloud three times, or write it down three times. There are also some vitamins and supplements that assist with memory.

I will say that as I am getting older my memory is not as good as when I was younger, but meditation has helped with that a great deal.




DemonKia -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 10:14:40 AM)

An eideter is someone with 'perfect recall' . . .. . Some of your more general questions have answers in that Wiki article . . . . .

I'd bet that, at it's extreme, an eideter with perfect recall is a fictional construct much more than a reality embodied in actual people. I suspect it's much more the case that individuals have partial eidetic memory, or they are eideters in specific ways or for particular kinds of information, that sorta thing . . . ..

For instance, I'm an eideter when it comes to spelling, for about 80% of the words in the English language . . . . I picture them just like they were in the dictionary . .. . . .




I've never been diagnosed with ADHD, but I meet the qualifications . ... . I hate to misappropriate the serious conditions of others without warrant, but I've felt like a high-functioning Asperger's leaning type (for a girl) my whole life, tho' I didn't have that framework of understanding until the last decade or so . . . . .

I took an IQ alongside hosts of other diagnostic & evaluative tests when I was a teen; they never did tell me the score, some parental conspiracy that I'm just as glad for . . . . . I'm no longer interested in knowing the number as, given my outblown ego, it cannot possibly be high enough to satisfy -- 2000 wouldn't be big enough some days, so . . . .

I do cultivate better memory, & I consider that I have a 'good memory'. I am not so great with names, dates, & material I find uninteresting. But those are hallmarks of how memory works in general.




Ah. & a completely peripheral note on memory & intoxicants (particularly with reference to cannabis' infamous memory-destroying powers):

Memory is contextual. One remembers best within the context that one learned the information. So. If one is intoxicated & learns something, recall will probably be best under that same state of intoxication, & will be impaired recall when sober.

Or, as some physics students I was listening to at a party discussed, achieving the exact same state of stoned for exams as one had when originally studying the material.

Which raises intriguing questions about what recall situation children are being prepared for in classrooms, what situation is gonna be like classrooms in their futures? But that's wandering seriously astray the topic . . . . .



Ah. & last note. Memory is also strongly module-dependent in our brains, as I understand it. For instance, short-term versus long-term memory are in some respects distinct separate modules, & operate somewhat independently. & recall itself is an excellent example of the scientific caveat that observation interacts with the observed, as memory is written in chains of proteins that must be taken apart & reconstituted in the very act of remembering.




There's tons of books out about improving various aspects of memory, fyi . . . . . .



ETA: Off the top of my head, mostly . . . [;)]




windchymes -> RE: Photographic memory... (10/22/2009 2:45:37 PM)

Well, I was diagnosed with ADD, no H, about the same time my son was.  I've also taken many IQ tests and scored between 136 and 146, qualified for MENSA but no interest in joining.  I've always thought I had "sort of" a photographic memory, and test-taking has always been pretty easy for me because I can memorize easily, and I'd just memorize all my pages of notes, and would "see" answers to test questions as they were on the page, like, I wrote that in the margin and put a star next to it....  But I don't know if I have a true photographic memory, because I don't look at something once and remember it in detail.

When I was younger, I could remember EVERYTHING.....you'd tell me a phone number once, and I'd remember it for years.  I have this odd ability to remember birthdays of everyone I've ever come into contact with and been told their birthdays, why I don't know.  My son loves to try to stump me and calls me "Rainman", lol.   Now that I"m over 50.....not so much, lol.




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