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DarkSteven -> What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 8:42:02 PM)
After years of everyone arguing about what can be done to relieve the high cost of health care, the HMOs did a hatchet job on the upcoming bill. In retaliation, the Dems are scuttling a provision that makes the health care providers immune to antitrust actions. WTF?!?!?!? They are allowed to collude to keep prices high?!?!?!? Doesn't anyone think that THAT might be a reason that the prices are high? I have no idea what effect the bill itself will have on affordability, but removing the HMOs'a ability to collude oughta do something...

Termyn8or -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:02:45 PM)
They're doing a swell job. They really are. The problem ? They don't work for us. T

PolyVinyl -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:04:55 PM)
(facepalm) Glad i live in NY where the state doesn't allow the insurance co.s to deny coverage...price is too high nonetheless :P

breatheasone -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:06:24 PM)
Obama outta send everyone a check enough to cover a lobster dinner....because i always thought it was customary to get dinner before you get fucked LMAO

tazzygirl -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:08:29 PM)
yeah, Bush waited till he fucked us before giving is the rebate checks.

breatheasone -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:12:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl yeah, Bush waited till he fucked us before giving is the rebate checks. i know right??!! can't anyone in D.C. get it right? [:D]

DarkSteven -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:13:08 PM)
[sm=threadhijack.gif] It's not a Bush thing OR an Obama thing. It's the removal of outrageous legislation that protected the HMOs' prices while the pols were publicly handwringing about how unaffordable it all was.

tazzygirl -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:27:00 PM)
Oh i get it DS. Call it a knee jerk reaction to having it all laid at someone's feet. i agree with you.. its not JUST one person's fault, which i keep pointing out over and over again.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/21/2009 9:44:51 PM)
No it is every elected officials fault, and all of our fault. Every damn one of them, yet people still keep voting for them. We get the government that we deserve. We are not going to fix things in this country with the same crappy foundation (elected officials), at best we are just moving the furniture around some.

Arrogance -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 12:23:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf No it is every elected officials fault, and all of our fault. Every damn one of them, yet people still keep voting for them. We get the government that we deserve. We are not going to fix things in this country with the same crappy foundation (elected officials), at best we are just moving the furniture around some. With a two-party system, your basic options are shit or slightly-more-appealing shit. There's not much the populous can do unless they come together in a huge way. I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.

HatesParisHilton -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 1:00:50 AM)
Tobacco (and thus tobacco companies) = nicorette inhalers and gum. prescribed by "Doctors" . to help "smoking cessation" by dint of collaboration with pharmoceutical BITCH-SLAPPING PIMPS, who are in turn competely "in bed" with the HMO's, the same HMO's that prescribe WELLBUTRIN and other "mood-alterator" pills for SMOKING CESSATION. Not because it's in any way the right thing to do, but just because it makes the right amount of profit at a minimal cost. Dark Steve, c'mon. you know how this works. you know how much people DON'T CARE. why ask the question?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 4:46:49 AM)
Even in a two party system you can vote out someone that is not doing the job properly. Not only that, but there are other parties beside the Reps and Dems, so you can vote to increase that percentage of votes going to a third party. If you have determined you are powerless, then you already are. quote: ORIGINAL: Arrogance quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf No it is every elected officials fault, and all of our fault. Every damn one of them, yet people still keep voting for them. We get the government that we deserve. We are not going to fix things in this country with the same crappy foundation (elected officials), at best we are just moving the furniture around some. With a two-party system, your basic options are shit or slightly-more-appealing shit. There's not much the populous can do unless they come together in a huge way. I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.

GraciousLady -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 5:43:21 AM)
This is what I keep saying! People keep voting for the same people. At election time these worthless, self focused politicans go on TV and tell everyone how they are going to fix what the other worthless, self focused politician is doing. They make worthless, self focused campaign promises and the people believe them. No one bothers to look at the facts or the record of the politician. No one really knows what is going on. I have seen it here. Some just did not know the whole stimulis package thing had not one thing to do with Obama. Does anyone really know how many lobbiest are, in spite of what Obama says, still throwing billions around on capitol hill? Lobbying is more influential than ever. Nothing has changed. It's just Obama is a very attractive and well spoken man that, sad to say, is a getting his way because he is black. Everyone is so wrapped up in the "WOW! We finally got a black president" no one is bothering to notice he's an idiot. quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf No it is every elected officials fault, and all of our fault. Every damn one of them, yet people still keep voting for them. We get the government that we deserve. We are not going to fix things in this country with the same crappy foundation (elected officials), at best we are just moving the furniture around some.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 5:53:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GraciousLady It's just Obama is a very attractive and well spoken man that, sad to say, is a getting his way because he is black. Everyone is so wrapped up in the "WOW! We finally got a black president" no one is bothering to notice he's an idiot. There are some who might say that that is a very openly racist comment. It might be pointed out that, whether or not you agree with his policies, he certainly isn't doing anything that hasn't been business as usual in DC for a very long time. It can also be pointed out that there have been a long line of white presidents that have gotten away with far worse than anything Obama has done and remained unscathed. To bring race into this discussion is both incorrect and unhelpfull.

tazzygirl -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 6:15:58 AM)
quote: Some just did not know the whole stimulis package thing had not one thing to do with Obama. Bush had the TARP Obama has the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 Im not quite sure what your point is about this.

Hillwilliam -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 6:49:17 AM)
Um folks... the thread is about health care and the costs thereof. I find it unfortunate that noone in is pushing tort reform. with a large percentage of every health care dollar ending up in the pocket of an attorney somewhere. I dont have a problem with someone making a good living, but a guy with 7 years of college making $1000+ / hour while his client or clients that he is supposed to be acting in the best interest of based on the fiduciary relationship getting peanuts? c'moooooooon folks. it isnt about someone getting what they are owed for their pain and suffering. It is ALL about lining the pockets of the attorneys.

GraciousLady -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 6:52:08 AM)
It is absolutly business as usual. You are quite right about that. My reason for bringing his race into this is based on what I saw and heard during the campaign. I heard more about how he was going to be our first black president and how he was going to be our first "hip" and "cool" president than I heard of his past preformances as a politician. Believe me, I am outspoken enough to tell you to your face I am a bigot if I was. I'm indicating what I believe to have been great flaw in how we picked this man as our president. The nation was focused on his race, not his policies or politice or expierence. I believe you are the one race bating here and/or trying to make drama. Maybe even trying to make it seem I am saying something I am not. I have openly said Obama is an idiot and that he is a puppet and what he is doing is a continuation of what was started in the Bush administration. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: ORIGINAL: GraciousLady It's just Obama is a very attractive and well spoken man that, sad to say, is a getting his way because he is black. Everyone is so wrapped up in the "WOW! We finally got a black president" no one is bothering to notice he's an idiot. There are some who might say that that is a very openly racist comment. It might be pointed out that, whether or not you agree with his policies, he certainly isn't doing anything that hasn't been business as usual in DC for a very long time. It can also be pointed out that there have been a long line of white presidents that have gotten away with far worse than anything Obama has done and remained unscathed. To bring race into this discussion is both incorrect and unhelpfull.

GraciousLady -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 6:53:07 AM)
You can call it anything you like. It's all a continuation of the same thing. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Some just did not know the whole stimulis package thing had not one thing to do with Obama. Bush had the TARP Obama has the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 Im not quite sure what your point is about this.

tazzygirl -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 6:59:36 AM)
Actually, they are two seperate economic plans. Passed by two different administrations. They address the same problems. Within a year, our Presidents Bush and Obama passed almost1.5 trillion dollar plans to soothe the economy. But, hey, if you want to believe only Bush enacted plans to spend all that money, thats your perogative.

rulemylife -> RE: What the hell just happened? (10/22/2009 7:09:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Um folks... the thread is about health care and the costs thereof. I find it unfortunate that noone in is pushing tort reform. with a large percentage of every health care dollar ending up in the pocket of an attorney somewhere. I dont have a problem with someone making a good living, but a guy with 7 years of college making $1000+ / hour while his client or clients that he is supposed to be acting in the best interest of based on the fiduciary relationship getting peanuts? c'moooooooon folks. it isnt about someone getting what they are owed for their pain and suffering. It is ALL about lining the pockets of the attorneys. Tort Reform Unlikely to Cut Health Care Costs So far Republicans have mostly focused on tearing apart any reform with a role for the federal government, portraying it as the government dictating how long old people get to live. But an undercurrent of those complaints is the insistence of doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and ideological conservatives that medical malpractice claims are out of control and a leading cause of rising health care costs. The health economists and independent legal experts who study the issue, however, don’t believe that’s true. They say that malpractice liability costs are a small fraction of the spiraling costs of the U.S. health care system, and that the medical errors that malpractice liability tries to prevent are themselves a huge cost– both to the injured patients and to the health care system as a whole. “It’s really just a distraction,” said Tom Baker, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School and author of “The Medical Malpractice Myth.” “If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care.”

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