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mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:22:37 PM)

lol, that is the epitome of dissembling and disingenousness.

The mo of the town hall meetings was to stifle any dissenting voices and you know it.

Uh, fuckin' DUH. so in your own words Ken got you an answer to number 1.

There are no lies in the second link. If you want to equate saying someone has a "pact with the devil" with fabricating and disseminating lies, go ahead.

Unless you know and can prove that they do, it would pass the standard of 'lie' for any reasonable man.

Its just typical of your double standard. How is it a double standard other than as a jingoistic whine, prithee? Perhaps at long last, you will describe in detail your single standard that you uphold so forthrightly that seems to me runs along the line that the emporer has no clothes.

Ron

heres another:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2806967/mpage_2/key_refrain/tm.htm#2807465




AnimusRex -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:33:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Are they trying to keep anyone else from being heard? Are they playing the character assasination game?

Disagreement is not intolerance. Vendettas and whiny attempts to isolate the largest cable news organization is.



Are they physically assaulting moderates, or cutting off their Internet access?
No.

However, the Tea Partiers are dividing moderates from the "conservative" camp, by attacking them, instead of finding common ground. Today both RedState and Malkin for example, are calling for Scozzafava to step down. And yes, Moonhead, RedState called Newt a traitor for siding with Scozzafava.

There is a difference between disagreeing with Lindsey Graham on global warming but otherwise supporting him as a fellow conservative, and declaring him to be an enemy for this single transgression. Those who shouted Lindsey down at his townhall were following the encouragement of the conservative blogs.

The entire tone of the conservative blogosphere is one of the hunt for heretics and traitors, of drawing lines between "True" conservatives and those who are impure.
This is intolerance at work.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:36:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

lol, that is the epitome of dissembling and disingenousness.

The mo of the town hall meetings was to stifle any dissenting voices and you know it.

Uh, fuckin' DUH. so in your own words Ken got you an answer to number 1.

There are no lies in the second link. If you want to equate saying someone has a "pact with the devil" with fabricating and disseminating lies, go ahead.

Unless you know and can prove that they do, it would pass the standard of 'lie' for any reasonable man.

Its just typical of your double standard. How is it a double standard other than as a jingoistic whine, prithee? Perhaps at long last, you will describe in detail your single standard that you uphold so forthrightly that seems to me runs along the line that the emporer has no clothes.

Ron

heres another:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2806967/mpage_2/key_refrain/tm.htm#2807465




And as you know damn well, the town hall meetings reference was to the Democrat attempts at stifling dissenting voices by hiring SEIU and other union thugs to intimidate or keep people out.

If you dont know the difference between lies and metaphors, thats your problem, not that majority of Americans.

Ive pointed out DKs double standards many times.



DomKen -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:36:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Trying to keep others from being heard:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/rep-mike-thompson-d-ca-town-hall-shouted-down-with-this-is-america-and-whats-wrong-with-profit.php

Character assassination:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/lindsey-graham-faces-tea_n_319225.html


There is a difference between keeping others from being heard and trying to be heard yourself. The mo of the town hall meetings was to stifle any dissenting voices and you know it.

There are no lies in the second link. If you want to equate saying someone has a "pact with the devil" with fabricating and disseminating lies, go ahead. Its just typical of your double standard.

Sure the mo was to prevent everyone from getting heard. That's why so many attendees were outraged by the tea bagger antics.

Calling Lindsey Graham a traitor isn't a lie? Do you have the required two witnesses?



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:38:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Calling Lindsey Graham a traitor isn't a lie?


No, its an opinion. there is a difference.



Kirata -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:38:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Trying to keep others from being heard:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/rep-mike-thompson-d-ca-town-hall-shouted-down-with-this-is-america-and-whats-wrong-with-profit.php

Trying to keep others from being heard? Unh, among the speakers at this event, "there was no one who truly reflects the views of those who are skeptical of the health care reform effort being led by congressional Democrats and President Barack Obama."

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Character assassination:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/lindsey-graham-faces-tea_n_319225.html

Well, not to my thinking. Character assassination seeks to destroy a person's reputation. The quotes cited in the article are simple name-calling, and the video clip seems to me to show Graham successfully moderating a brief emotionally charged exchange.

K.



DomKen -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:52:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Calling Lindsey Graham a traitor isn't a lie?


No, its an opinion. there is a difference.

Calling someone a traitor has a specific meaning. It is the only crime defined in the US Constitution and requires 2 witnesses. If you make the claim and cannot produce those two witnesses then you are lying.



mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:54:13 PM)

well later on in the article it says 'health care reform the vast majority does not want'....which is tinfoiler all the way.

Ron



Kirata -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:58:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well later on in the article it says 'health care reform the vast majority does not want'....which is tinfoiler all the way.

I don't see that in the Napa Valley Register article that I linked to, Ron.

K.





mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 1:02:02 PM)

Ahhhhhh, you are correct, the tinfoiler comment does not apply to what Kirata actually qouted, only to one of the respondents, later (which does not support the viewpoint of the article).

You have my apology for MY misleading error, K.

Ron



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 1:32:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Calling Lindsey Graham a traitor isn't a lie?


No, its an opinion. there is a difference.

Calling someone a traitor has a specific meaning. It is the only crime defined in the US Constitution and requires 2 witnesses. If you make the claim and cannot produce those two witnesses then you are lying.


rofl. keep trying



luckydawg -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 1:45:47 PM)

Wierdly enough Domken, the Dictionary disagrees with you.

Main Entry: trai·tor
Pronunciation: \ˈtrā-tər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English traytour, from Anglo-French traitre, from Latin traditor, from tradere to hand over, deliver, betray, from trans-, tra- trans- + dare to give — more at date
Date: 13th century
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treason


2 meanings are given so your claim, "Calling someone a traitor has a specific meaning.", would be a lie by your standards, right? By normal standards it is simply an example of your ignorance.


I understand you want to pretend that willbe calimed that he had been convicted of treason against the United States. But he didn't.

Just another example of your poor grasp of comprehension.




DomKen -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 2:14:04 PM)

Lucky, are you aware this board has a search function and I could post the links to all of your many lies?

Traitor means someone who has committed treason. The #1 in that definition is simply defining treason in the definition rather than using treason. Furthermore that is a cherry pick of one definition from one source. a quick google of all the online dictionaries makes it clear the term is always associated with treason.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/traitor
http://www.yourdictionary.com/traitor
http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/traitor



Kirata -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 2:28:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/traitor
http://www.yourdictionary.com/traitor
http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/traitor

I'm not sure you're helping yourself here. The definitions you cite are, respectively...

One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason
a person who betrays his or her country, cause, friends, etc.; one guilty of treason or treachery
One who violates his allegiance and betrays his country;(Hence, one who betrays any confidence or trust; a betrayer.)

K.





Moonhead -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 2:30:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

They need another Bob Dole...he was a man and a conservative I could respect.

Butch

So was McCain before he started waggling his arse at these idiots hoping they'd start stuffing notes down his g string, and look how well that turned out...



luckydawg -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 2:52:01 PM)

Dom ken, if being a traitor meant only commiting constitutional treason, you would be correct. But since it doesn't, you are not.


The idea that being a traitor has only one specific meaning, is ignorant nonsense. But you posted it.




My lies, yes muwah ha ha

Please post them

make the post about me.

Probably your best tactic at this point.




luckydawg -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 2:55:48 PM)

Kirata, Domken is very aware that his supporters do not read the links. He posts "links" that do not support his argument all the time. There is a clique that goes with it though



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 2:58:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Dom ken, if being a traitor meant only commiting constitutional treason, you would be correct. But since it doesn't, you are not.






Even then he wouldnt be correct. Someone can have an opinion about whether treason was committed within the Constitutional definition. Even if he is wrong that doesnt make him a liar.

Eg Jane Fonda was clearly a traitor during the Viet Nam war under the Constitution. That is my and many others opinion. That she wasn't convicted or even prosecuted does not make us liars.



slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 3:04:42 PM)

No ....technically speaking though.....you would simply be mistaken.It is one thing to claim a beleif that she engaged in traitorous activities....but lacking a conviction labeling her a traitor is,at best,wishful thinking.



Moonhead -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 3:08:08 PM)

A question:
Ken Livingstone was (notoriously) a lot further to the left* than Tony Blair or his entourage of spin Doctors when they began revamping the labour party as something that leaned to the right side of centrism. He was eventually, expelled from the party to stand in the London Mayoral elections as an independent, then brought back in after he won.
Which of these gents, then, is the traitor? Only one of them warped their party into something at odds with its supposed function, and then started throwing out people who wouldn't tow the new party line. It's hardly the Militant Tendency (RIP), we're talking about.

The point I'm probably failing to make here is that outside of the legal definitions, treachery and treason are purely subjective. They have no basis in objective reality, and are interpreted very willfully indeed by most people who are in any position to kick up a stink about them.

*(so, to be fair, is the whole of the Liberal Democrats and probably the SNP as well)



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