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Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/24/2009 11:06:54 PM

Brain

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Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it.

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Senate Pushes For Public Option Without Obama's Support

Strategist: Who Knew That Harry Reid Would Be The One Who Stepped Up?

President Barack Obama is actively discouraging Senate Democrats in their effort to include a public insurance option with a state opt-out clause as part of health care reform. In its place, say multiple Democratic sources, Obama has indicated a preference for an alternative policy, favored by the insurance industry, which would see a public plan "triggered" into effect in the future by a failure of the industry to meet certain benchmarks.

Read more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-senate-pushes_n_332844.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/24/2009 11:16:48 PM

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Thanks but no thanks for the links. They are all sellouts, otherwise they never get there.

This is new to you ? Welcome to the forum.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/24/2009 11:23:38 PM

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Jeez, Brain - where ya been? Obama sold out months ago, when he cut what he hoped was going to be a secret deal with the pharma companies. Hell, he didn't just sell out, he bent over and said "please - and use the big one." Term's right, the dude is in the pocket.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/24/2009 11:48:27 PM

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anyone with a deal with google or like corporations that get a penny or so for click-throughs (even on message boards) are the HUGE, NADLESS AND COCKLESS sell-outs.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 12:03:08 AM

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No Panda, he sold out at probably age sixteen.

He is very loyal and trustworthy, but not to us.

Is anyone even starting to get a piece fo the big picture yet ? I never thought they could dumb you down tot he point where you can't see it today. Apparently I underestimated them. I still got what I got. I can make it anywhere almost. What I do with my personasl finances is one of the few things I will not discuss here. But what they do is up for public scrutiny. It is a different matter.

Let me see here, the way to get things done. First you need a boodle of cash. Then you nrrd either a direct line to a rep or as schill, otherwise known as a lobbyist. Just give that person monet and things will get better for you. I almost thought it like the Catholic chruch selling salvation, but this si different, you do get something out of it.

If you know the right people who know the right people your life will be a cool breeze. Personally I ahve sent a "posse" out to find out the inspector's favorite drink, and "shared" a bunch of it with him. I knew people who were so connected that murder would result in a ten buck fine. You think I am kidding ? You think this shit is all over the news ?

Injustice can be done anywhere the public eye is not. When I was guilty I wanted a lawyer who knew the people, get into the judge's chanber, and I have been there enough times. i know wht money and power can do, but anything I was ever into is nothing compared to getting the big chair.

Nobody can afford the big chair, so they are always beholden to someone. You may ask who, and I willl answer via mail, I will not put it out here anymore. I don't know exactly where they are and all that, and I really don't know their names, they change tham like underwear.

We are nothing buty cattle to them.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 4:24:27 AM

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Public option which states can initiate or not vs a public option that kicks in when the insurance companies dont measure up... hmmmm

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 5:16:55 AM

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quote:

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anyone with a deal with google or like corporations that get a penny or so for click-throughs (even on message boards) are the HUGE, NADLESS AND COCKLESS sell-outs.

Considering there is no other method available that can financially support a site of significant size (non-ecommerce). I would say it doesn't make them a sellout. Donation models don't pull in enough, the membership model has been tried and is largely a failure (notable exception is sex sites). Thus since web users on the whole, will not pay for services directly the only viable model at present is ad related.

Blame it on the internet users.

And for the record, many sites get paid well above a penny per click through. Yesterday, my all sites average / click was over .40 (flucuates daily from .30-.60ish) that is well above the average. I've had clicks for 2.00+ before, but the average is all that matters.

All news is ad supported, except those paid for by government (don't trust that either), a couple very small in comparison news sites are non-profit and don't run ads, but they don't do any (or very much) "real" news research. Democracynow.org is like that, very small viewership, comparatively, mostly composed of interviews with authors, and recirculating known stories.

Anyway, your anger is misdirected if the consumer (internet users), as a whole refuse to pay for a service, and we want the service to exist at all (news type sites of significant reach), then you should praise advertising.

By the way I've written articles before slamming ford, gm etc... and ads for those same companies appear in the article. LOL. Google doesn't put any restrictions on content other than no porn, no hate speech on pages containing google ads, everything else is fair game.

However, if you have devised a way of making near equivalent revenue, and the flexibility that comes with that revenue, as ads provide, I'd love to hear it, or else you are just pissing into the wind.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 5:47:52 AM

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Um,. Brain, welcome to the adult world. Let me explain how politics works.

There are two ways to get things done - you either work with people, or else you slam crap down their throat. Obama so far has been trying to work with people. That means that he compromises at times. So the GOP senators/Congresspeople that have been fighting the public option are getting listened to.

Bush and Reagan were examples of Presidents that didn't care to work with others. Reagan would simply go to the American people with speeches and get them to buy in and pressure their reps to go along. Bush simply went ahead and did whatever he wanted to despite opposition. Bush's tactics forced the GOP reps to either vote with their party or else break with teir party and listen to their constituents, as the path between Bush's policy and public opinion steadily diverged. The results were that the entire party got branded as the party of Bush in 2008 and got walloped.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 6:12:37 AM

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I don't see where the Obama is working with anyone . The private, closed door meetings discussing the health care bill excludes any republican member. Remember Obamas campaign promise. 'Transparency' and televised C-span meetings where everyone was involved. They are tying to ram this through and it isn't going to well.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 6:22:24 AM

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quote:

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Obama so far has been trying to work with people. That means that he compromises at times. So the GOP senators/Congresspeople that have been fighting the public option are getting listened to.

I'd question that. What has Obama done over the last ten months that McCain wouldn't have done if he had won the election last year? Fuck all, as far as I can see. (This is why all of this Nazi/Communist talk from the Republicans is so hilarious, frankly.) He has talked a lot about doing otherwise, and certainly made a lot of extravagant promises before he was elected, but so far that's all any of it has been: talk.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 6:43:02 AM

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Yeah he's a sell out

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 6:43:41 AM

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and yet he promised everyone a pony.

he then said it wont be easy.

hmm. I hope to god nothing bad happens tomorrow morning- web bot has rumor on it.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 7:04:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it.

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Breaking News and Opinion on The Huffington Post

Senate Pushes For Public Option Without Obama's Support

Strategist: Who Knew That Harry Reid Would Be The One Who Stepped Up?

President Barack Obama is actively discouraging Senate Democrats in their effort to include a public insurance option with a state opt-out clause as part of health care reform. In its place, say multiple Democratic sources, Obama has indicated a preference for an alternative policy, favored by the insurance industry, which would see a public plan "triggered" into effect in the future by a failure of the industry to meet certain benchmarks.

Read more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-senate-pushes_n_332844.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Many of us realized that Obama was a "sell out" during the election when he threw several of his best long-time friends and/or associates under the bus and reneged on several promises for his own political expedience, therefore came to neither believe or trust him, and therefore didn't vote for him.

Obama and several prominent Congressional Democrats are on record as having long favored a single-payer (government) healthcare system, and also on record as having often repeated that since the majority of Americans have never wanted and would never support a single-payer (government) healthcare system the way to get there (single-payer) is to bait them with some sort of public option then switch them to single-payer as one private insuror after the other goes out of business fruitlessly trying to compete with the competitor that not only sets the rules of the game but also can operate at a loss if need be.

How many times does Obama get to "sell out" this, that and the other group of those who voted for and still support him before they say "Enough is Enough"?

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 9:26:51 AM

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let me know how that turns out... lol

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 9:45:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Um,. Brain, welcome to the adult world. Let me explain how politics works.

There are two ways to get things done - you either work with people, or else you slam crap down their throat. Obama so far has been trying to work with people. That means that he compromises at times. So the GOP senators/Congresspeople that have been fighting the public option are getting listened to.

Bush and Reagan were examples of Presidents that didn't care to work with others. Reagan would simply go to the American people with speeches and get them to buy in and pressure their reps to go along. Bush simply went ahead and did whatever he wanted to despite opposition. Bush's tactics forced the GOP reps to either vote with their party or else break with teir party and listen to their constituents, as the path between Bush's policy and public opinion steadily diverged. The results were that the entire party got branded as the party of Bush in 2008 and got walloped.

Well said.

The public originally listened to the industry's campaign against the public option (and against health care). As time has passed and a closer look at the "facts," 70% of Americans support the public option.

I'm glad to see Congress stepping up on this. We'll see what happens...

I also wish Obama would take a leading role here. At least he did address the misinformation campaign.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 7:27:52 PM

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If 70% of Americans really wanted the public option, it would already be a done deal.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 7:47:44 PM

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quote:

How many times does Obama get to "sell out" this, that and the other group of those who voted for and still support him before they say "Enough is Enough"?
ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Maybe when the Republican party offers us a candidate who is any better in any way. Seeing the crop being groomed right now, that doesn't seem likely at this time.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 7:50:35 PM

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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/07/21/hope_caught_up_in_a_sea_of_obstruction/

NYT/CBS poll puts it at 72%

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 7:53:40 PM

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NYT/CBS poll. I wonder what the results would be if it were a FOX news poll ? I'm thinking just the opposite. If it were really 72 %, the democrats wouldn't be stalling.

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RE: Obama is a sell out! WOW. I can’t believe it. - 10/25/2009 7:55:36 PM

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Fox.. same company that pushes their people to lie... i would rather believe the average of the rest.

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