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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 5:05:26 AM   
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antipode: That's just simply not an option right now as I stated before. So I'm looking for other ways to toughen my skin..callous it, make it rougher, harder...something, anything to at least make it a little easier.

agirl: What I mean by not tolerate is that I can't make it pleasurable no matter how hard I try because I just want to crawl out of my skin. It just hurts likeĀ  hell. I think we're both a little dissatisfied. I would like for him to get his sadistic pleasures and he would like me to be able to at least be able to stay in place without breaking cuffs, ropes and accidently hitting him with a foot or hand or hurting myself in the process from a reflex. It's frustrating knowing that years ago I could take a lot of pain but now I can hardly take any at all.




He's not tying you up right if you're doing that. From the way you describe the ease with which you thrash, it sounds like he's loosly spreadeagling you. Instead he should be tying your limbs together and close to your body with lots and lots and LOTS of loops of rope (chains are a bad idea if you go gonzo, you can't help but self-injure against steel), ankles, calves, above the knees, and several spots on the arms, perhaps tying them to your sides, and then securing you in one spot on short leads so you can't roll off something or fall down. Think mummy--with just the good parts exposed, at least for a while--until you grow accustomed to pain again.

As for making it plesaurable, aim for tolerable at first. Do something to deeply relax first. A glass of wine can work wonders if you imbibe and it's physically safe for you, but do whatever helps _you_ to relax. Hot bath, hilarious tv show, massage, heavy workout, great music, whatever does that for you. If relaxing is a problem for you at most times, it's pretty easy to obtain a short-term perscription from a doctor for a mild anti-anxiety pill. And they work to relax you and make you not care so much about what is happening, and without any of the mind-dulling effects of alcohol. If you're not a super addictive personality, they don't cause a problem and can help you over a short period where's there's lots of pressure.

There are also mental techniques. Focus on a task, often the one that's assigned is deep, regular slow breathing (but you could also do counting or saying the alphabet backwards). It's better if your partner orders you to do this. If you are ordered to keep that up during the entire seesion and not lose track of what you are required to do no matter what happens, it helps wondefully to focus your mind on something else. After all, it's so easy to screw up and forget to breathe or have it grow irregular under physical duress. You really have to concentrate. As you breathe in and out tell yourself lies: I accept this, I like this, it feels great, I accept whatever he gives me, it's wonderful, etc. If they make you laugh, all the better! Laughing is relaxing. Eventually if you tell yourself this enough, these become truths.

Finally, people don't have to be whipped in one standard way, with stroke following stroke following stroke. There are all sorts of very fun whipping games you or your dominant can invent in which you have to do something in-between the whips, and that give you a little time break between the strokes. Time for the last cut to die down before the next one begins.

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 7:28:03 AM   
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*Take a Lamaze class to learn how to breath through pain. Also, breath deeply during play to increase the oxygen getting into your blood stream and help to reduce the pain you are experiencing.



This is the only way I can tolerate intense pain. I thought it was ridiculous when someone suggested this to me some years ago but back then I was wanting to do my first flesh hook suspension and I really needed to know and understand how to endure pain in its worst form. I gave the new breathing techniques a go and can report back that learning to breath through the lower diaphragm makes a huge difference to how much pain I can take.

I saw a masochistic woman I know at a party I went to last Saturday. This woman has endured flogging after flogging, caning after caning and just about everything else to the skin and her flesh is starting to look like elephant hide. I doubt its heightened what she can take because scar tissue actually becomes more sensitive.

The pain doesn't decrease but the mental side and the breathing side can make pain more bearable and even pleasurable.
For those that say you need tying up tightly all I can say is that this is very much personal preference. If I am tied down I can take virtually no pain and I definitely don't enjoy it. To take it hard and ruthlessly I need to be able to move.


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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 7:44:07 AM   
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http://healthmad.com/health/ways-to-desensitize-the-skin/

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 10:00:46 AM   
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Um, no offense, but I personally wouldn't recommend a masochist use a desensitizing cream, such as is discussed in that link . . .. . Lidocaine & similar are anesthetics & really, in my book, have no place in play between sadist & masochist, certainly not within the context of the OP . . . .

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http://healthmad.com/health/ways-to-desensitize-the-skin/


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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 11:23:10 AM   
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She's not a masochist, that's the real problem.

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 11:57:00 AM   
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I would research before using any topical anesthetics for side effects - hydrocortisone for example can actually thin the skin over time and make it more sensitive and damage prone.

Most over the counter topical anesthetics have a fairly temporary effect, maybe 15 minutes, and only last until your endorphins take over, if they do - that's the principle of anal ease, i.e., to get over the initial discomfort, it won't mask any serious trauma - Vagisil is pretty much exactly the same thing, active ingredient Benzocaine, although I don't think it comes in flavors.

The article also mentions deep tissue massage, which appears to promise more lasting effects.

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 2:41:43 PM   
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Um, she said in her OP that she's not a painslut, but I didn't read anywhere in the thread that she's not maso . . . . . . & she did specifically say several times that in the past she could tolerate quite a bit of pain, she's just having trouble converting pain to pleasure now, after a hiatus from SM play . . . . . .

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ORIGINAL: xssve

She's not a masochist, that's the real problem.


I'm still gonna say that as a top or a bottom, I would never tolerate the use of lidocaine or similar compounds to facilitate pain play.

& the anal sex experts I respect most (Tristan Taormino & Dr. Jack Morin) both advise against using desensitizing unguents as part of ass play. Their recommendation is that discomfort on the part of the bottom needs to be addressed thru relaxation, adequate foreplay / warm-up, & technique . . . . .

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 4:04:29 PM   
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Ok first of all, to me painslut=maso..same thing, no difference.
Second of all, I'm not going to use anything to dull the pain be it drugs legal or illegal, alcohol or lotions. It would completely render me useless to mental, physical and spiritual self and to His..thanks but no thanks.

And as for stronger bindings...I've broken custom made leather cuffs and been bound tightly that  I break ropes. I get a superhuman strength when I'm in a lot of pain and nothing that we've found seems to be able to keep me down short of strong chains but chains can't be bound tightly so there's still a lot of moving around with them.

I do the breathing when I can remember to even breathe at all but one stray pain and I'm immediately back to where I was before. I'll continue to do the breathing though.

At this point we've talked about what is happening, we have from the very beginning and we will continue to do so and we will work our way through this.

I thank you all for your advice. :)

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 5:41:56 PM   
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It's Benzocaine, not heroin.

She asked, I answered, I'm not her mother, I figure she's old enough to make her own decisions.

You chose to focus on topical anesthetics, I actually found the massage idea more interesting.

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 6:54:43 PM   
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My concern is that not just the OP, you, me, & the other posters read these threads, an unknown number of lurkers read them too . . . . . & they may be using this for education on the subject, so when I saw that the link you posted (without any initial comments from you to contextualize) was mostly about desensitizing agents, I felt moved to share my thoughts with everyone.

No offense was meant, so taking it is a purely voluntary exercise on your part . . . . .

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 8:51:29 PM   
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That's fine, but as I say, these are pretty mild anesthetics and the effect is temporary; if the trauma is that bad, believe me, you'll notice. And, as you note yourself, she's not a newbie and presumably has some idea what to expect from this particular partner with whom she has had some experience.

I'm certain Taormino and Morinis's advice is worth taking, I'm all for foreplay and warming up, etc., if it's what you need, but it's not her dom asking, and anticipation of intense pain isn't likely to contribute to relaxation - in fact it's been demonstrated that anticipation of pain actually intensifies the perception of that pain when it arrives.

That's why the doctor lies and tells you it won't hurt a bit - it does hurt, but not as much as it would if he told you "I'm glad I'm not you because this is gonna fucking HURT"!

Sort of a psychological placebo effect.

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RE: Toughening up skin - 10/29/2009 10:26:27 PM   
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Actually, as a reasonably ethical sadist my interest is in bottoms who want to experience the sensation, rather than some concern that massive damage might be inflicted under the influence of a lidocaine-type substance . . . . .

It's akin to what the OP said about not being interested in being under the influence of any kind of substance because it interferes with the emotional / spiritual / et al. experience . . . . .

It's a personal philosophy of mine, similar to how I avoid those who must imbibe alcohol to reduce their inhibitions in order to do what they ostensibly want to be doing . . . . .

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That's fine, but as I say, these are pretty mild anesthetics and the effect is temporary; if the trauma is that bad, believe me, you'll notice. And, as you note yourself, she's not a newbie and presumably has some idea what to expect from this particular partner with whom she has had some experience.

I'm certain Taormino and Morinis's advice is worth taking, I'm all for foreplay and warming up, etc., if it's what you need, but it's not her dom asking, and anticipation of intense pain isn't likely to contribute to relaxation - in fact it's been demonstrated that anticipation of pain actually intensifies the perception of that pain when it arrives.

That's why the doctor lies and tells you it won't hurt a bit - it does hurt, but not as much as it would if he told you "I'm glad I'm not you because this is gonna fucking HURT"!

Sort of a psychological placebo effect.

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