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sirsholly -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 9:19:56 AM)

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The Irish were pushed here by a potato famine.
not all...Grandpa lived in America and went home for a visit, where he met Grandma. It was all about mutual attraction...nuttin to do with potatoes.



GreedyTop -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 9:26:53 AM)

I tend to use Black, unless an individual indicates that they prefer something else.

Maybe it's my age.  Mid-40s.  When I was growing up, my friends referred to themselves as Black.

Their grandparents referred to THEMSELVES as Colored.

So maybe there's something about a generational point of view involved.



devilishpixie -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 9:26:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan


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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

I find it silly personally, I have NEVER once called my owner an African amercian man. He is a black man period. He doens't take offense to it or get his boxers in a bunch. lol



Well, I guess can't really blame YOU.

After all, you only know as much as you're taught...


WTF does that mean?


It means just WTF it said.
There's nothing "silly" about "African American."
Nothing at all.


I find the whole debate silly honestly. We are all americans or we aren't. I could not imagine cring out out "oh master give me that african american cock!" Could you imagine that? And yes I am making light of it.

And as long as the people you are interacting with are not offended why should the masses be offended?



Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 9:41:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

but Blaakman,

Why is negro getting to be a problem? That sort of fucks it for the united negro college fund and derivatives like that........

Afro-american is no longer used, I dont know now, but when I was around many older folks, woman of color or man of color were ok for everyone, is that still true? and if black folk are of color, what does that make us crackers? transparent? I am a man of transparency.....LOL

Now, I understand it is all sort of motile, the way people identify (and they fuckin' do and there is nothing in the world to stop it........

but if we say, people with a genetically superior tanning solution that still can get sunburned, we aint never gonna get to hello, are we?


Just Musing,

Ron (Norwo-American)
too american and too divided, I am now united



Just musing?

OK, I'll bite.

The word "Negro" is a problem, it's not "getting to be" a problem.

Yes, the word "Negro" is a problem for the United Negro College Fund, and the "National Counsel of Negro Women," and other organizations.

As is the word "Colored," which I'm sure impacts the image of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, particularly among the young.

But, black people understand that those anachronistic names are from an older era, and most do not, therefore, hold those names against the organizations.

"Woman of color" and "man of color" are both fine--even progressive--because those terms allow Black Americans to unite with Latinos, Native Americans and Asians under the same banner.

However, "colored woman" and "colored man" are not cool.

Got that?

It's really not that hard.

What are white people?

White people. Simple.

Unless they choose to hyphenate themselves, as they often do.

Wanna be a "man of transparency"?

I won't fight it.

Because, you know who started all of this nuanced racial and ethnic diffentiation that you find so amusing (at least in America)?

You know, don't you?

And, personally, I'd say that identity is "fluid," rather than "motile."



mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 9:56:55 AM)

Blaakman,

well, look, maybe we are off on the wrong foot. Your response seemed prickly, and I assure you that I have no dogs in this fight really, I am actually curious about where we are at. I come from an area that is 95% scandinavian, so I haven't had time to keep up with 'racial' doings.........

However; I have lived in NY and down south and places where there are folks of every deriviative, racial and cultural, and I have some semi-local friends that could be loosely described as 'of color' if it is a big deal, but not in the mainstream tensions, so I am not a total clueless person.

I am not so sure who really started the differentiation, because in the black communities I have entered in my life, the black folk are harder on the black folk than the white folk are. High yellow and what not.....you know what I mean, and it eminated from them. But let us not dwell on recriminations, let us work to get beyond where we've been and where we're at.

I was not trying to inject humor in the white thing, because I don't really know anyone black, and dont know anyone white, those are not the actual colors we possess....since there was some technical physics discussed.

Anyway, yeah, I got it. Thanks for getting me up to date, I owe you one.

musing and amusing are two different words with entirely different meanings----different roots even........they just happen to share alot of their letters alike. musing as in contemplating I was.

Ron




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:25:38 AM)

OK.

When you're having racially-charged sex, "African-American" is not the appropriate word.

In such a case, use "Black".

Is that better?

That still doesn't make African-American "silly."

It just makes it more appropriate in some contexts than in others.



GreedyTop -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:28:20 AM)

dammit.. I'd posted something about it possibly being a generational thing.. and the post has poofed...............



mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:31:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

OK.

When you're having racially-charged sex, "African-American" is not the appropriate word.

In such a case, use "Black".

Is that better?

That still doesn't make African-American "silly."

It just makes it more appropriate in some contexts than in others.



LOL, it is all silly, at some point. How do you have 'Black' sex? Even white folk like Barry White's voice...LOLOLOLOL

I get the racially-charged idea.....and in any case where I have had it, political correctness has went all the fuckin way out the door. Maybe it is just me.


Amused,
Ron



Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:32:00 AM)

Ron,

It's all good.

I was just musing on your musings...

Sorry if I sounded prickly.

I can be, but wasn't trying to be on this occasion.



VirginPotty -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:33:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

dammit.. I'd posted something about it possibly being a generational thing.. and the post has poofed...............


Must be a white thang[:D]



mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:34:54 AM)

Blaakman,

You're right!!!!! It is ALL good. It is also very hard to glean intent out here from this sterile communication media.........

In Admiration,
Ron



kdsub -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:36:44 AM)

Age and generation are important. My mother does not have a racists bone in her body but at 87 when differentiating a white from a black she will say Negro. Now I would hope people with sense would understand this. If not they are the racists.

Butch



Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:45:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

dammit.. I'd posted something about it possibly being a generational thing.. and the post has poofed...............


It didn't "poof".

I read it back there somewhere.

You're right. it is a generational thing.

My father's generation started out "colored" or "negro" and ended up "black."

My generation started out "negro" (I think), then embraced "black," and now has added "African-American."

It's an evolution.

I really don't see any more shifts coming, but...



Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:48:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Age and generation are important. My mother does not have a racists bone in her body but at 87 when differentiating a white from a black she will say Negro. Now I would hope people with sense would understand this. If not they are the racists.

Butch



It's not necessarily racist to call a Black man a Negro.

It's anachronistic, but not (necessarily) racist.



mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:48:54 AM)

well, as the overall population tans, someday there wont be a black and white and yellow and red and brown and rainbow coalition.

Never a:

Black President
White Senator
Black basketball player
Black CEO
White Janitor
Racist motherfucker

there will someday be a:
President
Senator
basketball player
CEO
Janitor

but there are always gonna be motherfuckers, count on it.

Ron



GreedyTop -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 10:57:41 AM)

what Ron said....



devilishpixie -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 11:02:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

OK.

When you're having racially-charged sex, "African-American" is not the appropriate word.

In such a case, use "Black".

Is that better?

That still doesn't make African-American "silly."

It just makes it more appropriate in some contexts than in others.


I wasn't asking your permission on what word to you use or even seeking your approval. The reality is the only people who make the decision on what word / title / label is approriate are the people invovled in the sitaution. I wont apologize if someone else gets the panties in a bunch.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 11:04:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CaptainJack09

Why is it "BBW" instead of "fat"?


Why is it "dumb" instead of "stupid"?



mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 11:06:12 AM)

I guess we ALL need to lighten up on this shit............... I don't think that Blaakman was pontificating in some sense that he was the goto guy and final arbiter of all things black....I sorta actually took his comments as a bemused posting.

Ron



devilishpixie -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/27/2009 11:10:52 AM)

Ron,
That is exactly how I took his posts. As if he was the end all to all opinions or facts regarding this subject.



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